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whell 06-07-2013 08:48 PM

Tax Burden is Slowing Economy...
 
...according to the Federal Reserve Bank of San Francisco.

http://www.frbsf.org/publications/ec...el2013-16.html

"Surprisingly, despite all the attention federal spending cuts and sequestration have received, our calculations suggest they are not the main contributors to this projected drag. The excess fiscal drag on the horizon comes almost entirely from rising taxes. Specifically, we calculate that nine-tenths of that projected 1 percentage point excess fiscal drag comes from tax revenue rising faster than normal as a share of the economy."

"However, CBO projections and our estimate based on the countercyclical history of fiscal policy suggest that federal budget trends will weigh on growth much more severely over the next three years. The federal deficit is projected to decline faster than normal over the next three years, largely because tax revenue is projected to rise faster than usual."

So, the sequester is not impeding growth, but the increase in tax burden is. Self evident to some, but I'm glad the Fed has finally figured it out.

finnbow 06-07-2013 09:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whell (Post 160298)
...according to the Federal Reserve Bank of San Francisco.

http://www.frbsf.org/publications/ec...el2013-16.html

"Surprisingly, despite all the attention federal spending cuts and sequestration have received, our calculations suggest they are not the main contributors to this projected drag. The excess fiscal drag on the horizon comes almost entirely from rising taxes. Specifically, we calculate that nine-tenths of that projected 1 percentage point excess fiscal drag comes from tax revenue rising faster than normal as a share of the economy."

"However, CBO projections and our estimate based on the countercyclical history of fiscal policy suggest that federal budget trends will weigh on growth much more severely over the next three years. The federal deficit is projected to decline faster than normal over the next three years, largely because tax revenue is projected to rise faster than usual."

So, the sequester is not impeding growth, but the increase in tax burden is. Self evident to some, but I'm glad the Fed has finally figured it out.

They're making an argument against austerity in these economic times. The second sentence in the highlighted top section says of Federal fiscal policy:

"(O)ver the past 2½ years it has become unusually contractionary as a result of several deficit reduction measures passed by Congress."

Their criticism is of the GOP's backassward fiscal policy in tough economic times.

BlueStreak 06-07-2013 10:23 PM

Yeah, maybe so. (Burps and scratches buttocks.)

Dave

ebacon 06-07-2013 11:52 PM

Whell.

Sigh.

As if our neck of the woods needs more growth. Detroit already has drug stores with empty asphalt parking lots the size of football fields. They retain more heat than bacon and contribute to global warming.

How much growth is enough?

merrylander 06-08-2013 06:55 AM

You really should dig into the history of the banks that comprise the Federal Reserve, make your hair curl.

whell 06-08-2013 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by finnbow (Post 160300)
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Their criticism is of the GOP's backassward fiscal policy in tough economic times.

You're cherry-picking sentences but ignoring the articles conclusion.

whell 06-08-2013 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by ebacon (Post 160305)
Whell.

Sigh.

As if our neck of the woods needs more growth. Detroit already has drug stores with empty asphalt parking lots the size of football fields. They retain more heat than bacon and contribute to global warming.

How much growth is enough?

Populating strip-malls with small retail operations that sell low-cost goods or services is a low risk venture in lean economic times, which is why that's most of the "growth" that you're seeing. If there was some belief that the economic environment would sustain investment in capital and manpower sufficient to expand manufacturing, then we'd see more of that, and less of the CVS and Rite-Aid's.

BlueStreak 06-08-2013 08:34 AM

Remember when we used to refer to economic contraction as "negative growth"?

For some reason that always made me think of Orwell.

Dave

bobabode 06-08-2013 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by whell (Post 160322)
You're cherry-picking sentences but ignoring the articles conclusion.

I thought that was your forte, Mike.:D

ebacon 06-09-2013 10:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whell (Post 160323)
Populating strip-malls with small retail operations that sell low-cost goods or services is a low risk venture in lean economic times, which is why that's most of the "growth" that you're seeing. If there was some belief that the economic environment would sustain investment in capital and manpower sufficient to expand manufacturing, then we'd see more of that, and less of the CVS and Rite-Aid's.

I must admit that my perspective is rather limited. When I moved out on my own in the early 1990s I bought an older home in the country north of the Detroit metro area. After that I saw the sprawl go crazy through the northern countryside, such as Auburn Hills, Clarkston, Lake Orion, etc. It wasn't long after that that the economy collapsed and now many of the strip malls are half empty. One of the newer ones in Clarkston already has its anchor grocery store replaced with a Salvation Army. It was sad to see and IMO indicative of a structural problem such as unmitigated growth.

IMO economic growth is OK but it needs to be done smarter. For example the Detroit area has a big empty donut hole that needs to be refilled. When I see all the traffic commuting between the new McMansions and the new Tech Alley in northern Auburn Hills, along with the numerous landfills in the same region, it just makes me sad at how wasteful we are with regard to burning gas and green space.

We need to do better around here.


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