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noonereal 06-27-2012 11:34 AM

Free speech and assembly or not
 
Christians walking peacefully with signs displaying Christian messages during a Muslim festival in Dearborn, MI were attacked with flying stones, shoes, bottles, eggs, and other debris, injuring some. Police finally arrived on the scene only to ignore the violent Muslim mob and to demand that the evangelists leave.

Were the police wrong to ask the evangelists leave?



http://americanvisionnews.com/3904/m...the-christians

CarlV 06-27-2012 11:51 AM

Hmm, all that video does is crash my browser. I take it the Muslims had a permit and the "Christians" did not.

If the cops weren't going to protect them they should have called it a day.


Carl

Boreas 06-27-2012 11:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by noonereal (Post 109554)

Were the police wrong to ask the evangelists leave?

Absolutely not. These "Christians" were deliberately trying to provoke the very reaction they got. They quite literally "crashed" a peaceful gathering of Dearborn's substantial Arab community (not "Muslim") with the intent to cause trouble.

How would you Christians feel if it were Muslim's invading "St. Alfonso's Pancake Breakfast" with placards bearing verses from the Kor'an?

"The officer accused the Christians of causing a 'disturbance', saying it was 'a direct threat to the safety of everyone here.'”

And that's exactly what it was.

John

noonereal 06-27-2012 11:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CarlV (Post 109557)
Hmm, all that video does is crash my browser. I take it the Muslims had a permit and the "Christians" did not.




Carl

correct

Are the good Christians protected by the 1st amendment in this case?

whell 06-27-2012 12:10 PM

I guess if folks can show up and protest at the funeral of a fallen US serviceman or womanr and exercise their first amendment rights, so can these folks. Doesn't mean that its the right thing to do. And, having lived and worked in Dearborn, I can also tell you that its a damn idiotic thing to do.

(Crap, I'm starting to sound like Bill!)

noonereal 06-27-2012 12:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whell (Post 109566)
I guess if folks can show up and protest at the funeral of a fallen US serviceman or womanr and exercise their first amendment rights, so can these folks. Doesn't mean that its the right thing to do. And, having lived and worked in Dearborn, I can also tell you that its a damn idiotic thing to do.

(Crap, I'm starting to sound like Bill!)

But, this is now private space as a permit was issued?? The holders of the permit can exclude anyone from coming in, no?

piece-itpete 06-27-2012 12:12 PM

Tough one. A the political thingies I've been to the protesting party is generally confined to a fenced area. If the majority party started throwing things they'd be in trouble.

Pete

noonereal 06-27-2012 12:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by piece-itpete (Post 109568)
Tough one. A the political thingies I've been to the protesting party is generally confined to a fenced area. If the majority party started throwing things they'd be in trouble.

Pete

I know i can't use our town park in the summer when the camp is using the park.

Same thing with the ball fields in NY.

Boreas 06-27-2012 12:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whell (Post 109566)
I guess if folks can show up and protest at the funeral of a fallen US serviceman or womanr and exercise their first amendment rights, so can these folks. Doesn't mean that its the right thing to do. And, having lived and worked in Dearborn, I can also tell you that its a damn idiotic thing to do.

(Crap, I'm starting to sound like Bill!)

The Phelps-bots have been required to obtain permits for their obscene displays. Those permits have restricted them to areas adjacent to the funerals, not right up at the grace sites.

Frankly, I have nothing but disgust and contempt for both of these groups.

John

piece-itpete 06-27-2012 12:55 PM

So gay priders trying to coopt a firemans parade are... OK? Or out of line?

Pete


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