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Combwork 04-29-2012 08:28 AM
U.K First?
 
http://travel.aol.co.uk/2012/04/29/S...e-in-four-hou/

I wonder if this or something like it will be built and if so, where. If they're carrying out engine tests it seems like a serious proposition.

The U.K. along with France are the only countries that developed and put into service a supersonic airliner * so if anyone's got the knowledge to make something like this work, I reckon we have.

* OK, the Russians got into the air first with the Tu-144 but in their hurry to get in in service before Concorde they cut a few corners. From what I've read it was a sound design, but getting the glitches fixed meant it carried its first passengers in February 1977, almost two years after Concorde.

Charles 04-29-2012 08:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Combwork (Post 99689)
http://travel.aol.co.uk/2012/04/29/S...e-in-four-hou/

I wonder if this or something like it will be built and if so, where. If they're carrying out engine tests it seems like a serious proposition.

The U.K. along with France are the only countries that developed and put into service a supersonic airliner * so if anyone's got the knowledge to make something like this work, I reckon we have.

* OK, the Russians got into the air first with the Tu-144 but in their hurry to get in in service before Concorde they cut a few corners. From what I've read it was a sound design, but getting the glitches fixed meant it carried its first passengers in February 1977, almost two years after Concorde.
I must admit, that is most impressive.

But don't sell America short, we've been working on our own mode of hyper-speed travel.

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Chas

BlueStreak 04-29-2012 09:18 AM
I don't see why I couldn't be done. It looks like they're basically just shuting down the air breathing turbines, that appear to exhaust through that outer ring, closing off the inlet ramps, and firing the rockets, clustered in the center. It also appears to me that they're trying to court government/military funding as the video demonstration showed it as an unmanned drone, placing a satellite.
Although, if successful, suck a thing could have broader utility.

The other thing I'd note is the wonderfull music, and the fact that I could hear tape hiss behind it. Analog done right sounds so much better.....;)

Dave

merrylander 04-29-2012 09:31 AM
Saw that on BBC news last evening, pretty impressive.

wgrr 04-29-2012 09:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Combwork (Post 99689)
http://travel.aol.co.uk/2012/04/29/S...e-in-four-hou/

I wonder if this or something like it will be built and if so, where. If they're carrying out engine tests it seems like a serious proposition.

The U.K. along with France are the only countries that developed and put into service a supersonic airliner * so if anyone's got the knowledge to make something like this work, I reckon we have.

* OK, the Russians got into the air first with the Tu-144 but in their hurry to get in in service before Concorde they cut a few corners. From what I've read it was a sound design, but getting the glitches fixed meant it carried its first passengers in February 1977, almost two years after Concorde.
Much of the aviation technology of that era was pioneered by the Soviets. Who knew who came up with the designs first with all the cold war espionage going on. The F15 and 14 sure look a lot like the Mig 29.

As far as travel on the "Space plane" goes, it will be nothing more than a toy for the wealthy much like the Concorde was. My dad flew Concorde several times in the late 70's to get from NYC to London. IIRC round trip air fair was around $5000 USD. You could buy a very nice 4WD Chevy pickup truck back then for that amount of money.

merrylander 04-29-2012 10:46 AM
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Much of the aviation technology of that era was pioneered by the Soviets. Who knew who came up with the designs first with all the cold war espionage going on. The F15 and 14 sure look a lot like the Mig 29.

As far as travel on the "Space plane" goes, it will be nothing more than a toy for the wealthy much like the Concorde was. My dad flew Concorde several times in the late 70's to get from NYC to London. IIRC round trip air fair was around $5000 USD. You could buy a very nice 4WD Chevy pickup truck back then for that amount of money.
Many aspects of the F-15 look more like the Avro Arrow that was cancelled by Diefenbaker. In fact I imagine many of the Avro engineers moved stateside.

Combwork 04-29-2012 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Charles (Post 99690)
I must admit, that is most impressive.

But don't sell America short, we've been working on our own mode of hyper-speed travel.
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Originally Posted by Charles (Post 99690)
Fair point Chas. But there's a residual sense of resentment here about Concord. You guys, having spent as much if not more on designing your own passenger SST (Boeing?) but not getting it off the drawing board fought tooth and nail to prevent Concord landing in New York. This was to have been the main revenue stream; pretty well what the plane was designed for.

I read somewhere that NASA considered Concord as more of a challenge than the Apollo program. What they said was that getting it to work wasn't the hurdle, what amazed them was that it could fly at the speed it did without overhaul between each flight.

There's a persistent story here that one might be got back in the air to take part in the flyover at the start of the London Olympic Games. Impossible? Maybe not. The French have made an engine test on one that's been mothballed, so just maybe if we stop pissing them off they might lend it to us:D.

That's an interesting attachment I've inserted. As I did it by accident I've no idea what I did.:confused::confused:

Combwork 04-29-2012 11:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Charles (Post 99690)
I must admit, that is most impressive.

But don't sell America short, we've been working on our own mode of hyper-speed travel.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Charles (Post 99690)
Fair point Chas. But there's a residual sense of resentment here about Concord. You guys, having spent as much if not more on designing your own passenger SST (Boeing?) but not getting it off the drawing board fought tooth and nail to prevent Concord landing in New York. This was to have been the main revenue stream; pretty well what the plane was designed for.

I read somewhere that NASA considered Concord as more of a challenge than the Apollo program. What they said was that getting it to work wasn't the hurdle, what amazed them was that it could fly at the speed it did without overhaul between each flight.

There's a persistent story here that one might be got back in the air to take part in the flyover at the start of the Olympic games. Impossible? Maybe not. The French have made an engine test on one that's been mothballed, so just maybe if we stop pissing off the French, they might lend us one:D.

Charles 04-29-2012 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Combwork (Post 99709)
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Fair point Chas. But there's a residual sense of resentment here about Concord. You guys, having spent as much if not more on designing your own passenger SST (Boeing?) but not getting it off the drawing board fought tooth and nail to prevent Concord landing in New York. This was to have been the main revenue stream; pretty well what the plane was designed for.

I read somewhere that NASA considered Concord as more of a challenge than the Apollo program. What they said was that getting it to work wasn't the hurdle, what amazed them was that it could fly at the speed it did without overhaul between each flight.

There's a persistent story here that one might be got back in the air to take part in the flyover at the start of the London Olympic Games. Impossible? Maybe not. The French have made an engine test on one that's been mothballed, so just maybe if we stop pissing them off they might lend it to us:D.

That's an interesting attachment I've inserted. As I did it by accident I've no idea what I did.:confused::confused:
Is that why you built it so that it can look down it's nose at us?

And the attachment, which I believe you've since figured out, is just a graphic of us Americans trying to play catch up ball with the Queen.

Considering that our national honor is no longer at stake, would you care to join me at the 19th hole?

Chas

bobabode 04-29-2012 01:11 PM
C'mon boys, I thought we had put all of the nitpicking behind us when we signed the treaty of Ghent. (I for one wouldn't object to Charlie being impressed, though.;)) pass on the Tanqueray but I do likes me some Appleton.:)


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