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Actual Armed Citizens
I realized that some of you don't have a personal picture of where a gun fits in self-defense. And I dare you to read all these and not feel relieved for the victims. REAL victims - REAL crime. Not a mental incapacity due to their politics.
NOTE TO DAVE: Read the 2 incidents that happened at CHURCH. I did not dig those out specially for you.. ;) I know these are old -- I clipped them back when I was on another board. But the series is still published monthly. Also note that these are just from a couple months in 1995 and 1996. They represent 100s of THOUSANDS of documented deterrent efforts of normal citizens to crime.. :cool: ************************************************** ******** An attack in a Big Coppit Key, Florida, apartment turned into a free-for-all after the assailant's hammer broke as he struck a sleeping man in the head. The victim and his girlfriend awoke and began struggling with the intruder, who then retreated to a bathroom where he locked the door. A houseguest, who had been sleeping on the couch, was awakened by the commotion, grabbed his host's firearm and kicked in the bathroom door. He held the suspect for the police. (The Lower Keys Barometer, Big Pine Key, FL, 7/13/95) Knocked to the floor of his Corinth, Mississippi, home by a knife-wielding attacker and told that he was about to be killed, the 80-year-old man offered his money and car keys to the thug in hopes of appeasing him. It was to no avail, however, as the assailant forced the man to a bedroom and again informed him he was about to die. When his tormentor momentarily left the room, the elderly man took his only chance for survival. Grabbing his .38, he charged into the hall and loosed two rounds at his attacker, who immediately fled the home. (The Northeast Mississippi Daily Journal, Tupelo, MS, 9/26/95) The justice system had failed to protect Wichita, Kansas, resident Carla Grayson from a violent ex-boyfriend. After three years of physical abuse, 19 arrest warrants (all of which went ignored by her tormentor as he repeatedly neglected to appear in court), and the filing of no-contact orders, Grayson put an end to the situation. When the abuser burst into her home, she shot him dead. No charges were filed. (The Eagle, Wichita, KS, 12/17/95) A masked housebreaker almost pondered a bit too long as he stared down the barrel of Marsha Beatty's 9 mm. The criminal, one of a gang of four, burst into the bedroom of her Fort Wayne, Indiana, home, but Beatty grabbed his Tec-9 and stuck her own autoloader between his eyes, ordering him to drop the pistol. When he hesitated, the householder announced, "All right, I'm going to kill you." That halted his indecision and he ran, pursued by Beatty and her roommate, who had taken up her own 9 mm. "When they saw two women with guns, they ran," Beatty said later. (The News Sentinel, Fort Wayne, IN, 12/6/95) Enid, Oklahoma, resident Anthony Martin first heard his doorbell ring, then heard the sound of somebody kicking in his back door. Martin grabbed his shotgun and went to investigate, meeting two juveniles in his hallway. Martin held the housebreakers, one of them armed with a big knife, for police, but before they could arrive, one of them fled. The remaining suspect was taken into custody and his accomplice was arrested a short time later. (The News & Eagle, Enid, OK, 11/30/95) "Even the Lord's house isn't holy anymore for these people. If they're crazy enough to do something like this to a holy place, there's no telling what they'd do," said Knoxville, Tennessee, pastor Ted Padgett after using a handgun to capture a man burglarizing the church office. Alerted by a church custodian, Rev. Padgett retrieved his .22 from the trunk of his car and entered the church where he came face to face with the stunned intruder, a parolee. He then stood the criminal against a wall and patted him down as the two waited for police. (The News-Sentinel, Knoxville, TN, 11/30/95) When a young Prather, California, woman ran to a local church for protection after being threatened by a violent family member, the pastor unhesitatingly offered her sanctuary. When the woman's tormentor arrived with a firearm at the pastor's door, he exchanged words with the minister and shot him in the hand. Wounded, the pastor slammed the door shut. His assailant managed to kick it open, but not before the pastor was able to retrieve his own firearm. Forced to defend himself, the pastor fired a single point-blank shot, killing his attacker. (The Mountain Press, Prather, CA, 12/13/95) A prison minister from Little Rock, Arkansas, Jack Seaver was used to dealing with tough men. So when one of three teenaged bandits turned angrily toward Seaver after robbing him in his home and approached with knife in hand, the minister understood he had to defend himself. Quickly, he grabbed his .22-caliber rifle and began firing, striking his aggressor. Police later arrested the wounded suspect and one of his accomplices. "I wasn't going to shoot anybody at all until I felt threatened," the minister said. (The Democrat-Gazette, Little Rock, AR, 1/6/96) Two would-be armed robbers found that a real .357 trumps a BB gun every time when they tried to hit a Fort Wayne, Indiana, grocery store. Assistant manager Shaun Imbody quickly identified the criminals' phony armament and ordered, "Put down your toy, the game is over." State police, staking the business out, immediately entered the store and arrested the pair. A police official noted that Imbody's knowledge of guns and quick action saved the police a nighttime chase of the two crooks. (The Journal Gazette, Fort Wayne, IN, 1/1/96) Pistol in hand, Vu Vinh Vuong dashed from the kitchen of his family's Savannah Georgia, restaurant at the sound of his mother's screams. Encountering an armed bandit clad in a red ski mask in the dining room, Vuong opened fire, hitting his assailant and sending him running. The injured suspect was arrested minutes later. Vuong's father, Do, had decided to purchase the pistol after a previous robbery left both father and son, then unarmed, seriously wounded by gunfire. (The News-Press, Savannah, GA, 1/22/96) "You can't even feel safe in your own neighborhood," says Sondra Evelyn Kinnett of Annapolis, Maryland. Kinnett's home was broken into by a man who lives only a few blocks away. Fortunately, her son, Michael Strissel, was there when it happened. Awakened by the burglar's footsteps, Strissel grabbed his shotgun, confronted the criminal as he hid in a bedroom, and held him at gunpoint until police arrived. (The Capital, Annapolis, MD, 10/14/94) JoEllen Hammersley almost became a cop 20 years ago, and maybe she missed her calling. Hammersley was pulling up to a bank in East Chicago, Indiana, when she heard screams and saw a man run off with a woman 's purse. Without hesitation, Hammersley retrieved her .32 from her purse and gave pursuit. With the help of a bystander, she caught the thief and held him at gunpoint for police. Hammersley received a Citizens Award from the mayor for her action. The local police chief remarked: "It's people like Mrs. Hammersley who make my job a lot easier." (The Times, Munster, IN, 9/29/94) One moment it was a routine morning at Gregory Morris's Inglewood, California, furniture store. The next moment it was "like one of them shoot'em-up movies." Morris and an employee fired at least 20 shots defending their lives against an armed robber who threatened to kill them. He fired 13 times. "I'm on the phone with 911 and I'm screaming for help," says Morris. "There's bullets all over the place. It's like pop, pop, pop, pop, pop." The battle ended with the thug prone with a bullet through his cheek. Morris and his employee were unharmed. Police say the criminal had served less than three months of a two-year prison sentence for robbery. (The Daily Breeze, Los Angeles, CA, 8/27/94) Jack Parker's parents have lived in the same Little Rock house for 30 years. But the neighborhood has deteriorated so much that Parker fears for their safety and often stays with them at night. When the family dog began barking at 1 a.m., Parker grabbed a pistol. Finding an intruder behind the house, Parker yelled at him and was answered by a gunshot. He shot back, hitting and killing him. Police say no charges will be filed against Parker. (Arkansas Democrat Gazette, Little Rock, AR, 9/22/94) On his final run of the night, Rochester, New York, pizza deliveryman Michael Vaccaro was set upon by a group of five to seven men. One of them shoved a gun in Vaccaro's face, while another took him in a chokehold. Vaccaro was able to free himself from the stranglehold, pull his gun and shoot the man holding a gun on him. At the sound of shots, the gang fled, stealing Vaccaro's car. The wounded suspect was apprehended and faces multiple charges.(Democrat and Chronicle, Rochester, NY, 10/9/94) When Louis Simoni walked out of a Rialto, California, restaurant and into the parking lot, he had no idea there were two men inside his car. As Simoni approached, one of the thieves gunned the engine and tried to back over him. That's when Simoni pulled his handgun and shot the driver, killing him. Simoni was not charged in the shooting. (The Sun, San Bernardino, CA, 10/3/94) After a man pounded on her door, cut the electric, telephone and alarm system lines to her house and launched several bricks through her windows, 61-year-old Annie Holt decided she'd had enough. With her .22 derringer in hand, the Nashville resident repeatedly warned her harasser to stop trying to force entry or be shot. He didn't stop, so Holt finally shot and killed him. Police did not expect charges to be filed against Holt. (The Tennessean, Nashville, TN, 10/10/94) A wheelchair-bound 71-year-old Henrico County, Virginia, woman proved too tough for the likes of a local burglar. Lillian Allen, who keeps a .32 under her pillow, wheeled herself into the bedroom when she saw a criminal armed with a tire iron enter her home through a window. After she fired on the intruder, he fled out the front door. The doughty grandmother says crime won't run her out of her neighborhood. "As long as I have the gun, I feel secure with that," she said. (Times- Dispatch, Richmond, VA, 10/18/94) The American Rifleman, March 1995 |
Thank You. Interesting accounts and I am sure there are more. As I am sure someone else could find plenty of articles telling of accidental firearm deaths as well. We do live in a large country of over three hundred million after all.
A story come to mind from one of those "Hidden Camera" shows on t.v..... Philadelphia, Pennsylvania; A man wearing a ski mask walks into a convenience store, points his gun at the elderly woman behind the counter, and tells her "Open up the register and give me all of the money!" She replies, "I'm not giving you a damn thing." He says, "Give me the money, or I'll kill you." She replies, "My husbands dead, half of my friends are dead, and my kids never visit me. All I've got is this lousy job. So go ahead and shoot me, I don't care." He stepped back, shook his head and walked back out the door. Dave |
Whatever works right? But don't try that misery and guilt thing unless you're a certified Jewish Mother in Law...
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I've heard about that.....You have my sympathies.....
Dave |
LMAO!
Flac, those stories, they MUST be in a different country, because there's no violent crime here.... I'll have to copy some out of the American Rifleman, they happen every day. As far as accidental shootings, I'd like to see some committed by CCW permit holders, not 'at home' accidents, as that doesn't apply. Pete |
Pete:
I've only seen a couple stories like that in actual local newspapers. They are always buried on the obituary page.. And the larger papers and TV news don't usually replay those stories culled from the 'burbs. (although in Tenn, I occasionally see on TV, some sheriff congratulating a citizen for apprehending a perp). Pisses me off that most people don't get a daily dose of this... When it's so easy to find dozens of these nationwide every month. These numbers below are also interesting clip from my political vault.. IT's old so the link might not work, but DOJ keeps running tabs on self-defense. (Numbers are about 1/2 of ALL self-defense with guns, because only about 1/2 are reported (study from More Guns - Less Crime) and that means that the deterrent figures (without actual use of the gun) are MUCH higher than the numbers below. (no discharge, no police report). http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/ascii/hvfsdaft.txt About three-fourths of the victims who used firearms for self-defense did so during a crime of violence, 1987-92 Average annual number of victimizations in which victims used firearms to defend themselves or their property ________________________________________ The 3 columns below are Total, Attacked Offender, Threatened Offender ________________________________________ All crimes 82,500 30,600 51,900 Total violent crime 62,200 25,500 36,700 With injury 12,100 7,300 4,900 Without injury 50,000 18,200 31,800 Theft, burglary, motor vehicle theft 20,300 5,100 15,200 |
Remembering I come from a country where with extraordinarily few exceptions, anyone caught carrying a loaded gun in a public place would face a serious prison sentence, assuming it could be enforced, what would happen if right across all States the only people allowed to carry guns were law enforcers trained in the use of hand-guns?
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It would be a more peaceful place. The reason why the police in the UK rarely carried arms was the law. As you noted caught with a firearm would get you prison time. Caught with a firearm whilst commiting a crime got you real prison time. Most crooks were too smart to do that. Now that we have terrorists it is probably a different story.
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Indeed. And most concealed carry states do require some training.
Pete |
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