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As predicted by some legal experts when the Catholic Court of the US outlawed Roe vs. Wade, its going to create a mess. Here is one.

A Texas (Trump) judge who had been licking chops to judge on this case finally ruled that the FDA approval of the two pills were botched so the pills are no longer safe to use. It had been safe to use for over twenty years but now this judge says.

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“The Court does not second-guess FDA’s decision-making lightly,” Kacsmaryk wrote in the 67-page opinion. “But here, FDA acquiesced on its legitimate safety concerns — in violation of its statutory duty — based on plainly unsound reasoning and studies that did not support its conclusions.” He added that the agency had faced “significant political pressure” to “increase ‘access’ to chemical abortion.”

Not so fast ruled a federal judge in Washington.

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A federal judge in Washington state on Friday ordered the Food and Drug Administration to not roll back its approval of a widely used abortion drug, siding with a group of Democratic state attorneys general who challenged dispensing restrictions.

Wisely, the TX judge has given the FDA time to appeal his decision, but the Washington ruling is in effect. Will be very interesting how the SCOTUS decides on this and doubt they can sit on this.

Moving forward I believe that rulings on abortions for Federal judges in Red states will be totally ignored by the Blue states and we will eventually have a total disconnect between the two.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...-mifepristone/

https://www.axios.com/2023/04/08/was...on-pills-texas

Two (Wrong) Mifepristone Court Rulings in One Day
https://reason.com/volokh/2023/04/08...gs-in-one-day/

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...the opinion's embrace of an expansive conception of equitable tolling and refusal to enforce the administrative exhaustion requirement rest on the most gossamer of threads—the analysis reads more like what one would expect in a time-limited law-school exam than a thoughtfully considered judicial opinion. And the invocation of Section 705 of the Administrative Procedure Act to justify the unusual remedy of issuing a stay of the FDA's 2000 approval of mifepristone is too clever by five. No matter what one thinks of abortion or the availability of mifepristone, this opinion is hard to defend (and that's without getting into the merits of the issue).

IOW, this idiot TX judge's ruling has about as much strength as one of Whell's posts.

Justice Dept. is appealing the Texas Federal court ruling arguing that the plaintiff's were not harmed by the pill, so no legal standing. Bet the appeals court will stay this decision and let the anti abortionists refile an amended lawsuit. Doubt the Christian right will back down that easily.

This is going all the way to the bottom, oops the top! To the Supreme court baby!

Medical experts should make medical decisions. Legislators should legislate. And republicans should shed the whole MAGA trump thing and go back to being real republicans.

Wow, there is an abortion pill!

That explains why so many areas are devoid of children.

A whole generation missing, canceled.

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Originally Posted by Dondilion (Post 417454)

Wow, there is an abortion pill!

That explains why so many areas are devoid of children.

A whole generation missing, canceled.

It's not abortion pills. It's birth control pills.

Takes two to tango.
The other sex involved in a pregnancy can take effective steps to prevent it from happening too.

Don't want kids get snipped!
Wear something... :rolleyes:
Take some responsibility man..:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by barbara (Post 417453)

Medical experts should make medical decisions. Legislators should legislate. And republicans should shed the whole MAGA trump thing and go back to being real republicans.

The patient is too far gone to be saved. It's the tRumplican party now. The non-infected members of the party are leaving or have already left. The sad part is that it will take a large segment of our republic down the toilet with it.

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Originally Posted by donquixote99 (Post 417456)

It's not abortion pills. It's birth control pills.

Birth control pills are before conception. Abortion pills are after conception.

But, the whole Roe V Wade ruling made no sense because you really have to make bizarre mental contortions to find a right to abortion in the constitution.

It is just not in there. Pro or con.
Elected leaders need to make laws.

Some circuit court judge can determine that termination after conception is technically abortion.
But, seems meaningless in most states that don't prohibit abortion for several weeks at least.

North Carolina where I live has a Republican Legislature with a veto proof majority and we have 20 weeks to figure out what you want to do. Nothing has changed.