South Carolina High School Student Dragged From Class
 

The CNN webpage with the automatic repeating video advertising is sofa king annoying, but they have the best reporting I've seen on this incident.

South Carolina High School Student Arrested.

Well, it's South Carolina. You have to expect things like that.

I hate cops.

How enlightened and enlightening. :cool:

Did y'all read the article? The story I saw on CNN this morning, said the student was on her cell phone in class. The teacher asked her to put it away, she refused. The teacher asked her to leave the room several times...she refused. The assistant principle asked her to leave the room several times...she refused. The officer was called he asked her to leave the room, she refused. The offer told her that if she didn't leave the room he would physically remove her. When she would not leave, guess what? He physically removed her, cuffed and arrested her. Later the cell phone part was reported to be incorrect. But she was clearly asked to leave the room several times due to some sort of disruptive behavior and would not. "I'm not doing anything wrong.", was the only reply reported.

Was the cop too rough? She was more gently treated than the couple of times I was told to move by a cop (at about the same age), and I did not move fast enough.

But I'm left to anticipate that shortly we will find out that the only reason the whole thing happened, including the teacher's requesting her to leave the room and the assistant principal's requesting her to leave the room, is because she's black.:rolleyes:

I can tell y'all one thing for sure. Had this been me...after the old man bailed me out, as soon as he got me home, it would have been tune-up time.

I did. Why?

Maybe she wasn't doing anything wrong. At this point we only know that the original "offense" was bogus. All we know at this point is that she refused to obey instructions to leave the classroom. We don't know why she was so ordered or whether it was for a legitimate reason.

So, you're saying that the level of force was justified, appropriate and necessary? Based on what personal knowledge of the situation?

Was the treatment you received during the above encounters appropriate and necessary? If so, what was your offense?

Is this how you would deal with a situation in which your own bratty teenage daughter refused to "go to her room?"

And, so far, the only person to even allude to a racial angle is you. Is this just you making men out of straw or do you have some kind of valid point to make?

Sure..as Martese Johnson said, "FUCKING RACISTS!!!!!!" I guess I'm the only liberal in the country who's getting a tad sick of it.

So the teacher the asst. principle and the cop are all lying, and had no legitimate reason to ask her to leave the classroom. Most of the black teachers at the wife's school on the west side didn't ask. It was pretty much get out of this room, and get to the principle's office before I whip your ass. They felt pretty comfortable with that as most of the parents, when asked by their kid's teacher what they might suggest when their child refused to cooperate, replied with, "Whip his/her ass." Most did not, but the kids knew they were authorized and generally complied at the second request.

Got any elementary or high school classroom experience yourself, john?

You really are hung up on that, aren't you?

And I could be wrong, but I don't think Johnson was there in South Carolina for this one.

Again, you are the one who inserted race into this, just you.

What I said was that the original justification for the student being told to leave the classroom was later retracted and that no other reason has yet been given. We don't at this point know whether she was told to leave for a legitimate reason or not.

Totally irrelevant. Your wife's war stories aren't what's at issue here. The brutal treatment of a non-violent child is what's at issue.

The same vicarious sort that you do. Why?

Do you plan to answer any of the questions I asked?

The cop has been assigned to that school for quite a few years, so safe to assume that he knows the student body and admins well. He is big and strong enough to carry her and her desk out of class, yet he chose to drag her and her desk violently. Wonder why and all the details are yet to come out. Still how can you condone the violence especially towards a teenage girl?

And, for the record, I think you posted this thread simply so you could start accusing us all of reverse racism. Unfortunately, you weren't able to contain yourself long enough and leveled the accusation before anyone had so much as mentioned the student's race. The other give-away came with your mention of Martise Johnson, the other occasion where you tried to bait us.

Gotta get their stories straight, Rajoo.

The school is 60% black, this cop has been assigned there for 6-7 years, so a simple racial prejudice tag will not do. Methinks the girl gave the cop lip and he lost it.

Nope. Take note BTW, none of my comments (so far) have had anything approaching the interpersonally pissy tone of superiority which spews forth from your festering piehole with such apparent ease.

The blonde and I were actually watching the CNN news together this morning and I heard her comment half under her breath, "If little miss had pulled this shit in a black teacher's classroom at Calhoun back in the day, it woulda been her ass...and no cop required."

I don't think I'm the one making the racial thing out of it. That was the three black community spokesmen expressing their righteous outrage on CNN this morning with no more historically accurate information than you or I have.

I've been out of town and haven't bothered with anything but a quick skim. That said, if an ongoing chain of authority asked her to leave the room and -- up to law enforcement -- she failed to comply?

1. Then physical removal is fine with me.
2. We'll sort everything out once you're isolated.

I'm not sure he lost anything. In his job at the school district, he has the same authority as a street cop. When a street cop tells you to move and you don't, it's not the cop who's ass is going to be thrown in the back seat and charged with disorderly conduct. The school personnel are not going to be doing take-down interventions like they used to back in the day, but cops are not hindered by such restictions, and I'm not sure they should be.

BTW - here in Illinois, in an alternative school setting, I believe staff are still trained in how to take-down a non-compliant student.

In with you on this one Zeke. Yikes...

Except maybe that one. (Your lack of self-awareness is extraordinary.)

You two appear to be a perfect match.

Did they at any time attribute racial motives to the incident? Did they even mention race? Or is it sufficient that they, being black, object to the treatment of a child who also happens to be black. Is their shared race the only possible reason for that? Is it even the most likely one?

Your reaction begs the question as to what your own motives and sentiments might be, Ike.

Just sayin'

The whole incident is on several smartphones, John. Not just the 30 seconds of brutality. We will be seeing the whole incident before too long. You want to jump to the conclusion that the child was an innocent victim of the out of control pig.

I'm jumping to the conclusion that a cop isn't called into a classroom unless a kid is being beligerently defiant. We shall see, shant we.

Physical removal is fine with me too. Throwing her and her desk around the room isn't.

It's why I said "so far" immediately prior to my personal utterance. (Your lack of reading comprehension is extraordinary.)

I am not claiming that the girl was an innocent victim. She needed to be physically removed since she was not complying to school authority. The level of physical force is what I am questioning. Do the cops use the same level of force regardless of gender, age and physical strength. I already know Zeke's answer.:rolleyes:

From what we've seen so far, she certainly appears to have been the victim of an out of control police deputy. Whether she was guilty of anything beyond refusing to leave the classroom remains to be seen.

Regardless, the level of force the deputy exerted to effect her removal was clearly excessive, far beyond what would have been necessary. My prediction, however, is that nothing will happen to him. Nothing ever does, even when the excessive force results in needless death.

He realizes that but distorting your position is the only way he knows to defend his own.

Perhaps he was too rough, John. But little missy ODD is not without fault in this incident. When the cop says move, just STFU and move. There will be a hundred civil rights lawyers beating down your door to get you your pound of flesh at a later date.

That's one opinion.

I agree. Unless it comes to light that there was a weapon involved, this cop's actions were excessive and unnecessary, and I'm disappointed to see people defending him, though not surprised. Again, we're talking about an insubordinate, unarmed child, not a 200 lb man with his fists up.

Oh no, she's refusing to leave, let's throw her across the damn classroom. :confused:

OK...quit whining willya?

PS- if you actually took the time to look at my reply to BeamOn, you would see that I did not say that he had suggested anything about the girls innocence or lack thereof. I said that to you.

I'm a little confused. You're replied to a comment I made to Boreas. If you go back and look at my reply to you I made no such suggestion that you were claiming that the girl was an innocent victim.

no reason the cop had to be so brutal with that SEATED student, period. how can anyone justify that!

When I was 18 and waited too long to respond to a lawful direction from a copper to get off my ass and exit the area, I should have got off so easy.

Anyone agree with CNNs 'expert cop' on the following?

'Whatever is necessary.' Good ol' necessity--you can justify anything with it. If he felt it necessary, he could have gotten her out of the seat by pulling his gun and shooting her, right?

That's unless others besides the cop have to agree about the necessity. In that case, the cop is in a world of trouble, because both the local sherriff. who has suspended him without pay, and the school administrator are on record saying he was bang out of line.

BTW Ike, did you watch the video? You may pooh-pooh the level of violence, but it looks to me like he ran a fine risk of breaking the girl's neck. Would you want a cop getting that brutal with someone you felt was a worthy human being, with rights one is bound to respect? Whose life mattered, in other words?

I stand corrected. I got caught up in the flow of the conversation.

This is Zeke speak.

Well, Ike, I never claimed she was innocent either so my comment to Rajoo stands. You can't defend your position without misrepresenting the opinions of those who disagree with you.

This cop is into powerlifting in a big way.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yR4qnaJDf8

Anybody who is into it to that extent and pushing that much weight is on the juice, guaranteed.

What you are seeing in that classroom is an example of roid rage.

So what. Not that I don't care that you were mistreated by a cop...... Okay. Scratch that.

Still, the fact that something similar to the SC incident happened to you doesn't make it okay. In fact, the human response to a situation like that is to sympathize with other victims because you have a true appreciation of what they've experience.

From what I read, he was a linebackers coach for their football team and a strength & conditioning coach. He probably felt compelled to maintain his macho image if the girl gave him some lip, which seems more than probable.

He lifts in the 275 lbs weight class.

He weighed in at 264.8 at this meet.

http://www.southernpowerlifting.com/...lts.php?id=163

He lifts in the "multi-ply" division.

That means he uses those suits that it takes about three people to help you put it on. They kind of make you spring loaded so that you can lift a lot more.

http://liftbigeatbig.com/raw-vs-gear...ng-difference/

Guys who use those have got huge egos.

I guess throwing a high school girl across a classroom made this this 265 lbs. powerlifting roid head feel like a big man. :rolleyes:

All I know is what I saw in the video, which isn't much. But, what I saw does seem excessive. I have a hard time believing it took that much force to extract her from the seat and restrain her.