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Tom Joad 10-07-2015 01:11 PM

Bernie Sandres not qualified to be President
 
Supposedly satire, but it's really true.

http://www.newyorker.com/humor/borow...rs-white-house

Quote:

WASHINGTON (The Borowitz Report)—The Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders’s potential bid for the 2016 Presidency was declared over, on Monday, before it even began, because of a key feature of the American political system that makes a person with integrity ineligible for the White House.

According to some experts, the electoral system has developed a number of safeguards over the past few decades to prevent someone with independence and backbone from occupying the Presidency.

“Bernie Sanders’s failure to become a member of either major political party excludes him from the network of cronyism and backroom deals required under our system to be elected,” said Davis Logsdon, a political scientist at the University of Minnesota. “Though that failure alone would disqualify Sanders, the fact that he is not beholden to a major corporate interest or investment bank would also make him ineligible.”

Because of his ineligibility, Logsdon said, the Vermont Senator would be unable to fund-raise the one billion dollars required under the current system to run for President. “The best source of a billion dollars is billionaires, and Sanders has alienated them,” he said. “Clearly he didn’t think this through.”

Logsdon said that Sanders might persist in his quest for the White House despite his ineligibility but that such an effort would be doomed to fail. “Our political system has been refined over the years specifically to keep people like Bernie Sanders out of the White House,” he said. “The system works.”

Boreas 10-07-2015 01:44 PM

Andy Borowitz' satire is always pretty much on the button.

68custom 10-07-2015 02:29 PM

I would love to see Bernie make to the white house, sadly I doubt it will happen. but stranger things have happened. what was it 427 votes or something that helped W and the wonderful Katherine Harris steal the presidency?

d-ray657 10-07-2015 03:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 68custom (Post 288842)
I would love to see Bernie make to the white house, sadly I doubt it will happen. but stranger things have happened. what was it 427 votes or something that helped W and the wonderful Katherine Harris steal the presidency?

I never thought that Reagan would get elected. Maybe Bernie is the yin to his yan.

Regards,

D-Ray

ZeroJunk 10-07-2015 06:12 PM

If Sanders is elected and manages to get his ideas enacted there will really be no point in any body trying to do anything.

Boreas 10-07-2015 06:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZeroJunk (Post 288879)
If Sanders is elected and manages to get his ideas enacted there will really be no point in any body trying to do anything.

Please explain. What ideas are you referring to and what would be the consequences of their implementation?

d-ray657 10-07-2015 06:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZeroJunk (Post 288879)
If Sanders is elected and manages to get his ideas enacted there will really be no point in any body trying to do anything.

Sez the guy who quit working years ago. :rolleyes:

BlueStreak 10-08-2015 12:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by d-ray657 (Post 288884)
Sez the guy who quit working years ago. :rolleyes:

Oh, no Don!

All Conservatives bust ass and do a better job of everything than anyone else........even when they don't and never have. What's more is that they are sick and tired of the rest of us riding their coattails, even when it's them that's riding our coattails.

But, I'm sure you've noticed that.

Dave

ZeroJunk 10-08-2015 05:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by d-ray657 (Post 288884)
Sez the guy who quit working years ago. :rolleyes:

I have never taken a nickel from the government, and there is no way I will ever get back what I paid in even if I get some long term illness.

As opposed to the career path of living you entire life off of some social program, or relying on some social program to support your bastard children.

Or, if you didn't do what it takes to be successful take it from somebody who was and give it to you.

In the meantime convincing your dumb ass that the reason you weren't successful had nothing to do with what you put in to it. You just weren't fortunate.

If you buy in to that it is fine with me, but you have to understand that the end result of that is the people producing the wealth eventually will say screw it.


Then who is going to create the next Apple, the government ?

Now that is comical.

donquixote99 10-08-2015 06:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZeroJunk (Post 288950)
I have never taken a nickel from the government, and there is no way I will ever get back what I paid in even if I get some long term illness.

As opposed to the career path of living you entire life off of some social program, or relying on some social program to support your bastard children.

Or, if you didn't do what it takes to be successful take it from somebody who was and give it to you.

In the meantime convincing your dumb ass that the reason you weren't successful had nothing to do with what you put in to it. You just weren't fortunate.

If you buy in to that it is fine with me, but you have to understand that the end result of that is the people producing the wealth eventually will say screw it.


Then who is going to create the next Apple, the government ?

Now that is comical.

If only they would. There's always more coming along. They would not be missed.

Instead they turn into resentful old fucks who scheme to use their hoarded cash to screw the people they hate.

68custom 10-08-2015 09:14 AM

I would be one of those people they hate! in spite of the fact I have worked since I was thirteen.
typing this while waiting for a coattail on to which I can jump.

Pio1980 10-08-2015 10:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZeroJunk (Post 288950)
I have never taken a nickel from the government, and there is no way I will ever get back what I paid in even if I get some long term illness.

As opposed to the career path of living you entire life off of some social program, or relying on some social program to support your bastard children.

Or, if you didn't do what it takes to be successful take it from somebody who was and give it to you.

In the meantime convincing your dumb ass that the reason you weren't successful had nothing to do with what you put in to it. You just weren't fortunate.

If you buy in to that it is fine with me, but you have to understand that the end result of that is the people producing the wealth eventually will say screw it.


Then who is going to create the next Apple, the government ?

Now that is comical.

Translation:
"Someone might get something for free that I had work my ass off for." With an obligatory dose of Ayn Rand.

This post is is pretty much point for point what the 'pubs feed the masses hereabouts to piss them off into voting for them instead of someone that might actually have their best interests.

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Rajoo 10-08-2015 11:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZeroJunk (Post 288950)
I have never taken a nickel from the government, and there is no way I will ever get back what I paid in even if I get some long term illness.

Not true. The government helped pay for your education, provided a community to live in, safety and security (fire and police), etc.

As opposed to the career path of living you entire life off of some social program, or relying on some social program to support your bastard children.

Career path is often a result of education or educational opportunities. One has very little control over it.

Or, if you didn't do what it takes to be successful take it from somebody who was and give it to you.

Most of the people do not fall into this category. By and large (90%+) people are not risk takers or their responsibility to their families lively hood and well being prevent them from going up the success ladder.

In the meantime convincing your dumb ass that the reason you weren't successful had nothing to do with what you put in to it. You just weren't fortunate.

Luck is 50% of any one's success. All the talent and hard work does not pay off without luck and timing. This is why most businesses fail.

If you buy in to that it is fine with me, but you have to understand that the end result of that is the people producing the wealth eventually will say screw it.

I wish they would, this will only create more opportunities. What are they going to do with their money? Burn it? As the saying goes, you can't take it with you!

Then who is going to create the next Apple, the government ?

Silicon Valley? Or any number of hot spots in the country and there are quite a few usually close to top universities.


Now that is comical.

The government is not supposed to compete with private enterprise. I thought you would have known that!

barbara 10-08-2015 11:28 AM

Whenever I hear someone say they don't take anything from the gov I just have to laugh. People just don't realize how imbedded the gov is in their life.

Every time you drive on a road.... You are " taking from the gov" who made sure that road was built and built to safety codes.

Every time you enter a building you are " taking from the gov" because the gov has made sure that building is ADA accessible and built to standards to keep people safe.

And, every time you eat something, the gov has had regulations in place to make sure that food is not contaminated.

When you sent your children to school.... Or home schooled them..... The gov was there making sure the curriculum was in place and followed.

Everyone " takes from the gov" in one way or the other.

donquixote99 10-08-2015 01:02 PM

What blows my mind is the resentment. Ayn Rand could just spit when she draws her little set-piece dramas of stupid, grasping 'looters.' The whole sour gilded class is consumed with the indignation Dickens illuminated for us with his pompous assholes who sputtered infamy at the hungry child who dared to ask for 'more.'

And Zero's post drips with resentment. What has he got to be so acid about? Are people mean to him? Is his tipple not proper?

Or, perhaps, does he fear that maybe, just maybe, he isn't really the golden boy, annointed of God, blessed with richly earned success due to his sacred, determined, hard hard work? Is there some intimation of plaster under the gilt?

Who has to scream the myth of their wonderfulness, but the man who can't get the whiff of his own shit out of his nostrils? Who has to dress up as Apollo but the man who, despite all 'success,' just isn't satisfied in his own skin?

The roots of narcissism are convictions of it's opposite, aren't they?

Boreas 10-08-2015 01:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by barbara (Post 288982)
Whenever I hear someone say they don't take anything from the gov I just have to laugh. People just don't realize how imbedded the gov is in their life.

Every time you drive on a road.... You are " taking from the gov" who made sure that road was built and built to safety codes.

Every time you enter a building you are " taking from the gov" because the gov has made sure that building is ADA accessible and built to standards to keep people safe.

And, every time you eat something, the gov has had regulations in place to make sure that food is not contaminated.

When you sent your children to school.... Or home schooled them..... The gov was there making sure the curriculum was in place and followed.

Everyone " takes from the gov" in one way or the other.

And this is why Libertarianism is such an egocentric and childish ideology.

finnbow 10-08-2015 01:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by barbara (Post 288982)
Whenever I hear someone say they don't take anything from the gov I just have to laugh. People just don't realize how imbedded the gov is in their life....

Hell, every time they buy or use product/service from a company subsidized by the government (e.g., oil companies, the aircraft industry) they're "taking from the government."

Simple-minded dipshits.

Tom Joad 10-08-2015 03:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZeroJunk (Post 288950)
I have never taken a nickel from the government,

Ever used a public roadway?

Ever been to a public school?

Had kids in Public School.

Ever run a business that sold any of it's goods and/or services to a customer that got a government paycheck? Or a government pension, or social security?

Ever worked for a company that sold any of it's goods and/or services to a customer that got a government paycheck? Or a government pension, or social security?

Or had a government contract?

Let's see.

All my income comes from the government.

Either my pension check or my social security.

Let's see, who got a piece of either of those lately?

Lowes did.

Home Depot did.

The grocery store did.

The local Hospital did.

My dentist did.

One of the pharmacies in town did.

The power company did?

The gas station did?

The list goes on and on and on.

icenine 10-08-2015 03:36 PM

Actually the military had a huge role in the development of the internet, of which Apple of course needed like a newborn child needs air.

Boreas 10-08-2015 03:39 PM

You're dealing with blind greed and the illusion of central position. Truth and logic are no match for those.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom Joad (Post 289034)
Ever used a public roadway?

Ever been to a public school?

Had kids in Public School.

Ever run a business that sold any of it's goods and/or services to a customer that got a government paycheck? Or a government pension, or social security?

Ever worked for a company that sold any of it's goods and/or services to a customer that got a government paycheck? Or a government pension, or social security?

Or had a government contract?

Let's see.

All my income comes from the government.

Either my pension check or my social security.

Let's see, who got a piece of either of those lately?

Lowes did.

Home Depot did.

The grocery store did.

The local Hospital did.

My dentist did.

One of the pharmacies in town did.

The power company did?

The gas station did?

The list goes on and on and on.


Tom Joad 10-08-2015 04:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boreas (Post 289038)
You're dealing with blind greed and the illusion of central position. Truth and logic are no match for those.

Zero's statement that he never took a nickel from the government reminds me of something Dick Cheney said in the 2000 VP debate.

http://www.halliburtonwatch.org/abou...hronology.html

Quote:

Without any previous business experience, Cheney leaves the Department of Defense to become the CEO of Halliburton Co., one of the biggest oil-services companies in the world. He will be chairman of the company from 1996 to October 1998 and from February to August 2000. Under Cheney's leadership, Halliburton moves up from 73rd to 18th on the Pentagon's list of top contractors. The company garners $2.3 billion in U.S. government contracts, which almost doubles the $1.2 billion it earned from the government previously. Most of the contracts are granted by the U.S. Army Corp of Engineers.3 Halliburton's overseas operations go from 51% to 68% of its revenue. According to the Center for Public Integrity,4 under Cheney's leadership the company also receives $1.5 billion worth of assistance from government-sponsored agencies such as OPIC (Overseas Private Investment Corporation) and the Export-Import Bank, a huge increase compared to the $100 million that the company had received in federal loans and guarantees in the five years prior to Cheney's arrival. Years later, during the 2000 campaign in a broadcasted vice presidential candidates' debate with Joe Lieberman, Cheney asserts that "the government has absolutely nothing to do" with his financial success as chairman of Halliburton Co.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7zRrQlPYoU

"The government had nothing to do with it"!?

BULLSHIT!

The government had EVERYTHING to do with it.

BlueStreak 10-08-2015 05:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom Joad (Post 289040)
Zero's statement that he never took a nickel from the government reminds me of something Dick Cheney said in the 2000 VP debate.

http://www.halliburtonwatch.org/abou...hronology.html



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7zRrQlPYoU

"The government had nothing to do with it"!?

BULLSHIT!

The government had EVERYTHING to do with it.

No, Tom, he's a Republican. It wouldn't matter if he had mugged old ladies for the money. He earned every penny by the sweat of his brow. Mugging old ladies is hard work. You think it's easy to snatch and run a billion dollars worth of purses? It's those filthy poor people that take money from the government that you should be hatin' on. Stay focused now...........:rolleyes:

BlueStreak 10-08-2015 05:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boreas (Post 289011)
And this is why Libertarianism is such an egocentric and childish ideology.

Quote:

Originally Posted by finnbow (Post 289015)
Hell, every time they buy or use product/service from a company subsidized by the government (e.g., oil companies, the aircraft industry) they're "taking from the government."

Simple-minded dipshits.

Yep.........

I'm lovin' watching all of these South Carolina Republicans quietly accept disaster relief from the Federal Government. Check it out.........those worthless p***ks all voted against relief for NY/NJ after hurricane Sandy.

Well, it IS the Bible belt, so they would tell you it's "blessings from God" and the feds have nothing to do with it. Only heathen Yankees take handouts from Uncle Sam.................Ever noticed how that works?

Tom Joad 10-08-2015 05:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZeroJunk (Post 288950)
and there is no way I will ever get back what I paid in even if I get some long term illness.

And you know that how?

Pulled it out of your ass?

Or are you regurgitating what you were told on some right wing site?

My situation is pretty close to yours.

You said you would be getting $1716 a month from Social Security next year. I'm drawing $1914. I've crunched my numbers. I've include both my contributions for every year I worked plus my employers match and calculated their present worth based on the historical consumer price index.

And you know what?

I will break even after 8 years and 3 months. Anything after that is gravy.

And that doesn't count the value of the insurance that I had while I was working that would have paid me if I had become disabled, or the payments that my family would have received had I died.

As for Medicare I figure the value of the insurance I get from them is at least $10,000 a year. Shit, I'll recoup the piddly little contributions my employer and I made in way less than eight years at that rate.

BlueStreak 10-09-2015 12:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom Joad (Post 289046)
And you know that how?

Pulled it out of your ass?

Or are you regurgitating what you were told on some right wing site?

My situation is pretty close to yours.

You said you would be getting $1716 a month from Social Security next year. I'm drawing $1914. I've crunched my numbers. I've include both my contributions for every year I worked plus my employers match and calculated their present worth based on the historical consumer price index.

And you know what?

I will break even after 8 years and 3 months. Anything after that is gravy.

And that doesn't count the value of the insurance that I had while I was working that would have paid me if I had become disabled, or the payments that my family would have received had I died.

As for Medicare I figure the value of the insurance I get from them is at least $10,000 a year. Shit, I'll recoup the piddly little contributions my employer and I made in way less than eight years at that rate.

Excellent post.

The question to ask is this;

Has it killed him?

To listen to him talk, you'd think Zero "Daddy Warbucks" Junk over there has enough to last him a hundred lifetimes. Giving him his tax money back should be like handing Mr. Creosote the mint.

That's what's so ridiculous about some of these right-wingers. They brag about their wealth until the taxman comes.......then they act like their bloated up and drawing flies in the Ethiopian desert, somewhere. At that point, you wonder if they're full of shit about their wealth, or they're just insufferable tightwads...........

ZeroJunk 10-09-2015 09:44 PM

I'm only 62. At 66 I would get 1959.


I paid $220,000 FICA. I haven't paid anything since 2004.

If I had invested that in the same account as my 401K I would have over $2,000,000.

And, coincidently I paid over $1,000,000 in income tax.


Obviously, some people have to pay more in to it that they get out of it or it can't work because so many people get way more than they paid in to it.

Even you guys are smart enough to figure that out. Maybe.

ZeroJunk 10-09-2015 09:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlueStreak (Post 289085)
Excellent post.

The question to ask is this;

Has it killed him?

To listen to him talk, you'd think Zero "Daddy Warbucks" Junk over there has enough to last him a hundred lifetimes. Giving him his tax money back should be like handing Mr. Creosote the mint.

That's what's so ridiculous about some of these right-wingers. They brag about their wealth until the taxman comes.......then they act like their bloated up and drawing flies in the Ethiopian desert, somewhere. At that point, you wonder if they're full of shit about their wealth, or they're just insufferable tightwads...........

You poor people are always complaining that somebody is complaining about carrying your load .

Tough to be a bum.

finnbow 10-09-2015 09:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZeroJunk (Post 289247)
You poor people are always complaining that somebody is complaining about carrying your load .

How in the hell do you figure you're carrying my load? The way I figure it, you're a few bricks shy of a load as it is.

Boreas 10-09-2015 10:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZeroJunk (Post 289246)
Obviously, some people have to pay more in to it that they get out of it or it can't work because so many people get way more than they paid in to it.

Even you guys are smart enough to figure that out. Maybe.

If you don't know why that's wrong, then you're even more clueless than I thought you were.

Tom Joad 10-09-2015 10:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZeroJunk (Post 289246)
I paid $220,000 FICA. I haven't paid anything since 2004.

If I had invested that in the same account as my 401K I would have over $2,000,000.

Sure you would.

Cuz everybody that invests in the market does just as well as Warren Buffet.:rolleyes:

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZeroJunk (Post 289246)

And, coincidently I paid over $1,000,000 in income tax.

Congratulations!

I'll give you credit for covering the cost of one cruise missile in your boy Bush's Iraq clusterfuck.

https://www.hrw.org/reports/2003/usa1203/4.htm

Take your pick of any of the 40 that hit the Al-Dura Farm.

Quote:

Al-Dura Farm, Baghdad

The war opened on March 20 with an attempted attack on Saddam Hussein. This strike was the beginning of a pattern that would be repeated many times. The U.S. military targeted a facility in the mistaken belief that the Iraqi leadership was there; instead of “decapitating” the regime, this strike resulted in fifteen civilian casualties because of faulty intelligence.

A human intelligence source provided the CIA with information on Saddam Hussein’s alleged location at a farm in al-Dura, a district of southeastern Baghdad.59 Two F-117A Nighthawk aircraft dropped four EGBU-27 2,000-pound penetrator bombs at 3:15 a.m. on a reported bunker at the farm. Moments later, the rest of the farm was hit with up to forty cruise missiles (Tomahawk Land Attack Missiles, or TLAMs) in an attempt to kill Saddam Hussein.60 The U.S. military later acknowledged there was no bunker at the farm, and Saddam Hussein broadcast a television interview days later.61 The attack resulted in one civilian killed and fourteen wounded, including nine women and a child.62
We'll name it the "ZeroJunk" cruise missile.

That way you won't have to worry about any of your tax dollars going to feed poor black kids.

Tom Joad 10-09-2015 11:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZeroJunk (Post 289246)
I'm only 62. At 66 I would get 1959.


I paid $220,000 FICA. I haven't paid anything since 2004.

I started mine at age 65.

The amount then was $1824.

It's gone up a bit with the annual cost of living increases.

I can't remember how much I paid in.

The papers are probably in a box in one of my closets but I moved so I'm not sure where. I think the amount was $132,000. Shit that's a whole lot less than the $220,000 you paid in, but I'm getting almost as much as you back.

Sounds like you're getting screwed Dude.

Probably because the formula for calculating benefits is progressive.

And then there's the fact that they average your best 35 years and since you retired early you had a string of zeros in there.

What can I say?

Sucks to be you Dude.

http://i843.photobucket.com/albums/z...ner_neener.gif

ZeroJunk 10-10-2015 04:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom Joad (Post 289260)
I started mine at age 65.

The amount then was $1824.

It's gone up a bit with the annual cost of living increases.

I can't remember how much I paid in.

The papers are probably in a box in one of my closets but I moved so I'm not sure where. I think the amount was $132,000. Shit that's a whole lot less than the $220,000 you paid in, but I'm getting almost as much as you back.

Sounds like you're getting screwed Dude.

Probably because the formula for calculating benefits is progressive.

And then there's the fact that they average your best 35 years and since you retired early you had a string of zeros in there.

What can I say?

Sucks to be you Dude.

http://i843.photobucket.com/albums/z...ner_neener.gif



That is just the way it works Tom. There was a cap on it for most of it's existence. May still be but it is way up there by comparison.

The cap was $37,800 in 1984 and went up to $84,900 in 2002. Anything above that SS was no longer taken out.

Medicare had the same cap as SS through 1990 then they took the cap off so from 1990 forward you paid Medicare on all earnings, or at least I didn't make enough to hit the cap.

Boreas 10-10-2015 04:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZeroJunk (Post 289354)
That is just the way it works Tom. There was a cap on it for most of it's existence. May still be but it is way up there by comparison.

The cap was $37,800 in 1984 and went up to $84,900 in 2002. Anything above that SS was no longer taken out.

Medicare had the same cap as SS through 1990 then they took the cap off so from 1990 forward you paid Medicare on all earnings, or at least I didn't make enough to hit the cap.

And it's $118,500 now.

If we did away with the cap, Social Security would be funded until The Rapture but that'll never happen, of course.

donquixote99 10-10-2015 04:32 PM

No need to get rid of the cap. Raise it just enough.

Boreas 10-10-2015 04:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by donquixote99 (Post 289364)
No need to get rid of the cap. Raise it just enough.

There's method to my madness. Eliminating the cap would ensure the solvency of the system in perpetuity and also make possible an increase in benefits for retirees and the disabled and also expand Medicare coverage while making it available to everyone.

ZeroJunk 10-10-2015 06:35 PM

Quote:

and the disabled
Are you talking those who are actually disabled or the 50% or so of them who have a hangnail.

bobabode 10-10-2015 06:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZeroJunk (Post 289377)
Are you talking those who are actually disabled or the 50% or so of them who have a hangnail.

Friends of yours? If so, you should drop a dime on them, Zero.

donquixote99 10-10-2015 08:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZeroJunk (Post 289377)
Are you talking those who are actually disabled or the 50% or so of them who have a hangnail.

You got anything besides your ass as a source for that 50%?


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