POLITICAL THEORY - Karl Marx
 

Welcome back, ma'am!

Marxism explained in under 10 minutes! ;)

Howdy neighbor. :)

Yep.

I always think of personal experiences and things I've witnessed.

Like the failures of various "incentive" plans I've watched unfold over the years as micro-models the capitalist ideal. I work in manufacturing.

I've watched men rewarded for higher rates of sheer output with paid time off. Then watched them work themselves hard, producing astonishing amounts of work with only the top performer actually getting his day off.......until they became injured or too exhausted to keep it up..........

Then get fired for their subsequent decline in performance.

What did they get for their efforts? Most got nothing at all. A small handful got a day or two off over the course of six months. Many of them simply ended up sore, tired and looking for another job.

I've seen the financial reward type of "merit based" system as well. It falls apart because, unfortunately, corruption creeps in there as well. It seems that buddy systems crop up wherein supervisors give favorable reviews of people they like, but for reasons that have little or nothing to do with the job. And this occurs very quickly as it would turn out. People who apparently do very little or nothing all start getting all the raises based on bogus claims of work ethic as the rest, who are taking up the slack, get no rise in income for years.

It destroys morale and productivity DECLINES.

At that point, upper management gets involved intent on correcting the situation. But of course, they have no idea who really does what, so this worsens the situation.

We see similar things occur in the Macro; Crony Capitalism, Corporate Oligarchy, etc., etc.......

Would you people read history!! and when you do, don't expect doing the same thing will get different results.

O brother

I think we're on the verge of a civil war when we have mainstream thinking like this.

It is always much easier to analyse/point out the flaws in a capitalist system than to find remedies.

Communism biggest problem is that it cannot abide the individual.

You may be interested in a book by John Rawls, "The Veil of Ignorance".

It's all about him.:D

In a moment of reflection, I believe Marx said as much.

Sorry not interested in propaganda that is designed to suppress a population.

What makes you think that's what the book is about?

Sorry, Dan, but you are really a complete fool.

Thanks for the chuckle -5, you really are an ignoramus. :D

Anyone that thinks Karl Marx and Communist Marxist Party is what this country needs is a loon.

Here you go: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8GDEaJtbq4

Invest just 1:36 sec listening to the pleasant narrator voice of Stephen Fry. You'll then be less ignorant about 'The Veil of Ignorance."

I like individuality, dumb people smart people rich people poor people happy people sad people. This logic you all think you strive for will be your demise as nobody is truly equal.

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Who indicated that?

The voices in his head.

yeah right, how about the OP?

I don't recall whether it was John Locke or JS Mill who spoke of the ideal judge of justice being a person in the original position - similar to the one described in the video as being behind the veil of ignorance. But those guys talked about things like the Social Contract and all of that other commie stuff.:rolleyes:

It relies upon everyone being happy with the idea of serving the greater good. over their own personal ambitions. Some people have no problem with that, some people obviously do. That's where the authoritarian state stems from. Those who refuse to play along end up being treated as criminals, "enemies of the people". And of course corrupt officials help themselves at will, because as the jailers, they know they'll never go to jail.

"Sorry not interested in propaganda that is designed to suppress a population."

Some people just can't see that Capitalism actually has flaws. (Or refuse to, as the case may be.)

Capitalism has many flaws. It's just that America has been just So(c)ialist enough for just long enough that no American alive today has experienced anything close to pure, Lassez-Faire Capitalism.

If the day comes that we do...........

Well, as the old saying goes; "Be careful what you ask for. You just might get it.".

There is a reason why so many Americans overwhelmingly abandoned the model we had prior to the New Deal.

And, no it wasn't because they were stupid.

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It's just that America has been just So(c)ialist enough for just long enough that no American alive today has experienced anything close to pure, Lassez-Faire Capitalism.

If the day comes that we do...........

Well, as the old saying goes; "Be careful what you ask for. You just might get it.".

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Soci@list countries also have a free market...the Black Market. Just ask Greece.

This is the democratic party today, ripe with brainwashed followers lead around with engineered propaganda.

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Politics in this country today is to divide the masses, keep them fighting each other so they don't see the real plan the head has.

Divided We Fall

Could be applied to the wings of both parties. However I believe Repub wing is more organized. I guess because it has more broadcasting outlets. The left has nothing compared to Repub talk radio.

Actually the OP is trying to help you lift the veil of ignorance that covers your mind. You should be giving thanks.

That's not true. Just look at Obamacare.

How can you post insulting crap like that and then whine when people are harsh towards you?

Note that in addition to the text above, your post quoted Bluestreak with emphasis added, making your post into a personal attack.

It's not only not true, it's an incredibly evil propaganda manipulation image.

Well it's been 150 years since the last one so maybe we're due.

Your side lost the last one and you'll lose the next one too.

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Violence, the right wing answer to everything. Don't like what other people are thinking? Well, how about we have a civil war and kill them?

Good video, thanks.

I've never read a word of Marx and at this point in my life my 68 year old eyes aren't up to any prolonged periods of dry reading so this was perfect.

It has certainly worked on you.

Radio 4 is nothing but commie propaganda.

"Politics in this country today is to divide the masses, keep them fighting each other so they don't see the real plan the head has."

Haven't you heard? It's only Lefty, Libtard, Baby Killing, Communist Muslim, Fag Loving Haters of all things American who engage in divisive speech!

The right is full of sunshine, rainbows and brotherly love, Praise Jesus!

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Dr. Zhivago: a fav movie. The communists were very upset with the Dr.

A revolution was on going and he was self absorbed with his petty bourgeois
poems.

Such an individual is suspect.

Dr. Zhivago is a novel written by a very disaffected Russian author.

I completely understand what you are saying as do many others Thank you. One said to read history but I think he is the one who should read and most of all understand history.

Yes, that is exactly right. All Marx did was critique Capitalism. He never advocated for anything.

Richard Wolff is putting forward some good ideas on the how to end of it.