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Boreas 09-30-2015 10:47 AM

Bengazipac
 
"Everybody thought Hillary Clinton was unbeatable, right? But we put together a Benghazi special committee, a select committee, what are her numbers today?" Rep. Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/...b0dd850309e5ed

If FOX has a virtue, it's that their pet politicians feel so comfortable there that they let the mask slip once in a while.

bobabode 09-30-2015 03:43 PM

Oooops. :)

This is the guy they want for Speaker?

Dumbasses. :rolleyes:

finnbow 09-30-2015 04:17 PM

No great revelation there. If anybody ever thought that the Benghazi committee had another objective, they need their head examined. Had she not done the idiotic private email server thing, the Congressional probe would have been dead and gone months ago. However, she did and it isn't.

Boreas 09-30-2015 04:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by finnbow (Post 287397)
No great revelation there. If anybody ever thought that the Benghazi committee had another objective, they need their head examined. Had she not done the idiotic private email server thing, the Congressional probe would have been dead and gone months ago. However, she did and it isn't.

No, no revelation to some but McCarthy's slip/admission will alert quite a few people to the politics and cynicism underpinnings of the Clinton witch hunt(s). As a result, this may actually help Hillary overcome "Servergate" because people will see it as a continuation of the Republican attempts to destroy her by, with apologies to Malcolm, any means necessary.

finnbow 09-30-2015 04:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boreas (Post 287402)
No, no revelation to some but McCarthy's slip/admission will alert quite a few people to the politics and cynicism underpinnings of the Clinton witch hunt(s). As a result, this may actually help Hillary overcome "Servergate" because people will see it as a continuation of the Republican attempts to destroy her by, with apologies to Malcolm, any means necessary.

Maybe, but the cat is out of the bag with respect to "servergate" and the FBI and State IG will care little about the GOP's motivations. Gowdy and his henchmen are the blind squirrel who found a nut. Trouble is that the nut can't be unfound.

Boreas 09-30-2015 05:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by finnbow (Post 287404)
Maybe, but the cat is out of the bag with respect to "servergate" and the FBI and State IG will care little about the GOP's motivations. Gowdy and his henchmen are the blind squirrel who found a nut. Trouble is that the nut can't be unfound.

No, but the popular perception of that nut may end up being that it's just "peanuts".

finnbow 09-30-2015 05:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boreas (Post 287405)
No, but the popular perception of that nut may end up being that it's just "peanuts".

Perhaps, if no criminal charges are filed (or otherwise damning stuff comes out).

FWIW, I had lunch of two of my old buddies from work today. Both are dyed-in-the-wool liberal Democrats with TS clearances. Both thought Hillary's email problem was disqualifying.

Boreas 09-30-2015 05:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by finnbow (Post 287406)
Perhaps, if no criminal charges are filed (or otherwise damning stuff comes out).

FWIW, I had lunch of two of my old buddies from work today. Both are dyed-in-the-wool liberal Democrats with TS clearances. Both thought Hillary's email problem was disqualifying.

Well, you've no doubt taken note of my new avatar........... ;)

bobabode 09-30-2015 06:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by finnbow (Post 287406)
Perhaps, if no criminal charges are filed (or otherwise damning stuff comes out).

FWIW, I had lunch of two of my old buddies from work today. Both are dyed-in-the-wool liberal Democrats with TS clearances. Both thought Hillary's email problem was disqualifying.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boreas (Post 287407)
Well, you've no doubt taken note of my new avatar........... ;)

Gol danged bedwetting libruls. :rolleyes:

Oerets 09-30-2015 08:34 PM

No question about it, the same party responsible for the lies in the run up to the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan for gain. Would now or ever let the truth stop them from fabricating or using innuendo to distract and confuse the simple minded. Facts and the truth, no need only confuses the narrative.

Fox News proves this works over and over again very day.

All this ever was a way to hurt Clinton and Obama.









Barney

bobabode 10-06-2015 09:29 PM

https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/i...IGioyrnkNZM6Jw https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/i...tQvGQQR9YgaFew

Coincidence? Is Trey from the House of Slitherin'? :rolleyes:

finnbow 10-06-2015 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by bobabode (Post 288751)
Coincidence? Is Trey from the House of Slitherin'? :rolleyes:

He is a spooky looking dude. I guess he's smart by South Carolina standards.:p

donquixote99 10-07-2015 01:02 AM

I was wondering about Draco before (see post 4): http://www.politicalchat.org/showthread.php?t=7435

This is my favorite pic of Trey, doubtless working some dark magic:

http://www.politicalchat.org/attachm...7&d=1404314397

Ike Bana 10-07-2015 07:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oerets (Post 287425)
No question about it, the same party responsible for the lies in the run up to the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan for gain. Would now or ever let the truth stop them from fabricating or using innuendo to distract and confuse the simple minded. Facts and the truth, no need only confuses the narrative.

Fox News proves this works over and over again very day.

Barney

The 2003 invasion in anticipation of the 2004 election. The GOP knew it had barely managed to steal the 2000 election and that it had lost that popular vote...the third popular vote loss in a row for them. So the played the fear and anxiety card big time. Saddam = Osama/Iraq = Al Qaeda...and the ignorant American electorate bought it. We can only be thankful that as the 2008 election was approaching, and as hard as they tried to lie their way out of the outcome in Iraq/Afghanistan, for once the people of this country weren't buying it, and the GOP lost the next 2 popular votes. That's 5 out of the last 6 popular votes. They've won a single popular vote in the last quarter century.

But they're not stupid, they know what sort of desperate shape they're in. Listen to what they're saying. Look at what FOX is saying. It's a fucking calamity. The country is going broke, ISIS will destroy us, Obama has ruined our "greatness", there are no jobs, Christians are being mocked and oppressed, murderous Mexicans will slaughter us all in our beds, etc., etc. Conservative Republicans are appealing to fearful, anxious white Christian Americans and encouraging the belief that all their problems are being caused by people who look different, people who have different beliefs, and people with different values.

It's the same politics of fear that won an election for them in 2004. Aimed at stupid, anxious, fearful, white people, and they're going at it with even more intensity than they did in 2004. Look at FOX...it's fear mongering 24/7.

It's not enough for the Democrats to deny it and say "everything's fine people." Sociologists and psychologists have identified that the human brain has a built in negative bias. We see or hear something and we're 5 times more likely to interpret it as negative/dangerous than as positive/safe. It's how our species survived 200,000 years of being small, weak, and slow. And it's built in to our nature and psychology today.

What the Democrats need to do is call a spade a spade, be way more aggressive and call out conservatives and Republicans for the lying sacks of shit they are. Point out every lie and attack it and the messenger...ruthlessly.

And start with the fact that Benghazi was not a State Department Embassy...it was a CIA spook station. Two of the 4 killed, Tyrone Woods and Glenn Doherty were not State Department employees...they were former Navy Seals and CIA contract spooks. Everybody who worked at the station knew what it was and what they had gotten themselves into. Security should have been the responsibility of the CIA, not the State Department. Do the facts of Benghazi make this country look bad? Does it cause our alleged "allies" to question whether they even want a US "Embassy" on their soil? Perhaps. Too bad. It's time for the ignorant electorate to be confronted with the often ugly facts of what their country is up to.

BlueStreak 10-07-2015 07:53 AM

No way! Republicans don't do "smear campaigns" because they have HONOR!

Yeah, right...............

BlueStreak 10-07-2015 07:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ike Bana (Post 288762)
The 2003 invasion in anticipation of the 2004 election. The GOP knew it had barely managed to steal the 2000 election and that it had lost that popular vote...the third popular vote loss in a row for them. So the played the fear and anxiety card big time. Saddam = Osama/Iraq = Al Qaeda...and the ignorant American electorate bought it. We can only be thankful that as hard as they tried to lie their way out of the outcome in Iraq/Afghanistan, for once the people of this country weren't buying in and the GOP lost the next 2 popular votes. That's 5 out of the last 6 popular votes. They've won a single popular vote in the last quarter century.

They're not stupid, they know what sort of desperate shape they're in. Listen to what they're saying. Look at what FOX is saying. It's a fucking calamity. The country is going broke, ISIS will destroy us, Obama has ruined our "greatness", there are no jobs, Christians are being mocked and oppressed, murderous Mexicans will slaughter us all in our beds, etc., etc. Appealing to fearful, anxious white Americans and encouraging the belief that all their problems are being caused by people who look different, people who have different beliefs, and people with different values.

It's the same politics of fear that won an election for them in 2004. Aimed at stupid, anxious, fearful, white people, and they're going at it with even more intensity than they did in 2004. Look at FOX...it's fear mongering 24/7.

It's not enough for the Democrats to deny it and say "everything's fine people." Sociologists and psychologists have identified that the human brain has a built in negative bias. We see or hear something and we're 5 times more likely to interpret it as negative/dangerous than as positive/safe. It's how our species survived 200,000 years of being small, weak, and slow. And it's built in to our nature and psychology today.

What the Democrats need to do is call a spade a spade, be way more aggressive and call out conservatives and Republicans for the lying sacks of shit they are. Point out every lie and attack it and the messenger...ruthlessly.

And start with the fact that Benghazi was not a State Department Embassy...it was a CIA spook station. Two of the 4 killed, Tyrone Woods and Glenn Doherty were former Navy Seals and CIA contract spooks. Everybody who worked at the station knew what it was and what they had gotten themselves into. Security should have been the responsibility of the CIA, not the State Department. Do the facts of Benghazi it make this country look bad? Does it cause our alleged "allies" to question whether they even want a US "Embassy" on their soil? Perhaps. Too bad. It's time for the ignorant electorate to be confronted with the often ugly facts of what their country is up to.

Most excellent post, Ike!

Mind if I use that elsewhere?

Ike Bana 10-07-2015 09:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlueStreak (Post 288768)
Most excellent post, Ike!

Mind if I use that elsewhere?

Thanks.

Sure...feel free. I edited it a bit after your post...so you can decide which version you prefer.

Boreas 10-15-2015 11:38 AM

Corroboration
 
Another Republican congressman has acknowledged that the Select Committee is really about destroying Hillary.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/...b0c5a1ce62037e

If these guys are smart, they'll "disinvite" Hillary for next week. Every confrontational moment will be viewed as a political attack on her.

donquixote99 10-15-2015 11:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boreas (Post 289915)
Another Republican congressman has acknowledged that the Select Committee is really about destroying Hillary.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/...b0c5a1ce62037e

If these guys are smart, they'll "disinvite" Hillary for next week. Every confrontational moment will be viewed as a political attack on her.

No chance.

Boreas 10-15-2015 11:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by donquixote99 (Post 289919)
No chance.

Oh, I know. :D

Rajoo 10-15-2015 12:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlueStreak (Post 288768)
Most excellent post, Ike!

Mind if I use that elsewhere?

I think it is a great post too and sums up the current state of paranoia in this country. Here is another post that I think is well stated.
Quote:

Duncan Rhoad · Charleston, South Carolina How about just be proud to be an American in general and vote for who presents the best ideas? The constant self isolation of people into parties and then the demonization of the other party as a whole is what leads to social divides in this country as well as an ineffective Congress. Nothing will get done if people pride their party identity more than actually doing what will help the most people.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/mike-huckabee-racist-tweet_561dcc1de4b0c5a1ce61163b?cps=gravity_2446_-4811832190455736535"]http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/...32190455736535[/URL]

bobabode 10-16-2015 05:45 PM

'How the Press Can Deal With the Benghazi Committee' The Atlantic
 
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/...mittee/410251/

"When a congressional investigation turns into a partisan operation, the media need to treat it as such."

Good article in the Atlantic.

bobabode 10-16-2015 05:54 PM

NY Times from last weekend.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/12/us...uiry.html?_r=0

Tom Joad 10-16-2015 06:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bobabode (Post 290079)
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/...mittee/410251/

"When a congressional investigation turns into a partisan operation, the media need to treat it as such."

Good article in the Atlantic.

Awesome article!

This one addresses an issue that really makes my blood boil. This ridiculous notion that both parties are equal to blame for the mess we are in.

HELL NO!

It's the fucking Republicans that have gone batshit crazy!

And the so called "center" is now way way way to the right of where it was 40 years ago.

This chart says it all:

http://i843.photobucket.com/albums/z.../a5ecd3b97.jpg


Quote:

It took mainstream journalism a long time to feel comfortable stating an obvious fact: that the modern Republican party is going through a push to the extreme unlike anything that is happening to today’s Democrats, and unlike anything else that has happened in politics since at least the Goldwater era and probably since long before. (After all, the Goldwater-era GOP had a significant liberal/moderate wing: Rockefeller, Scranton, Javits, Ford, George Romney, even Nixon and the first George Bush.) It feels so much more responsible, and is certainly safer, to write about “extremists on both sides.”

Three years ago, the think-tank eminences Norman Ornstein and Thomas Mann wrote a Washington Post essay called “Let’s Just Say It: The Republicans Are the Problem.” That was an inspired headline, because it captured the fact that even now it is harder than you would think for reporters just flat out to state that truth. This summer Christopher Ingraham of the Post’s WonkBlog provided a chart that should run alongside any “extremists of both sides” discussion. As the little thumbnail below shows, the Democrats are about as extremist-and-moderate as ever; the Republicans are not.

From WonkBlog this past June, showing proportion of House members from each party who are not moderate or centrist, from 1879 through 2014.

The point is: Only now, a year after Eric Cantor was driven out of his House seat by a challenger not closer to the middle but further to the right; a month after John Boehner decided to leave one of the theoretically most-powerful jobs in American governance; when possible savior-successor Paul Ryan is being attacked as too liberal; and during a GOP presidential primary campaign whose “center” is further to the right than any in memory—only in these circumstances have reporters begun to talk directly about the Republican party’s move toward the fringe. We’d all still really prefer to warn against “extremists on both sides.” If you listen you’ll still hear that on talk shows.

bobabode 10-19-2015 01:29 PM

Latest claim from Gowdy about emails debunked by Rep. Cummings.

http://mediamatters.org/research/201...edias-c/206254

Boreas 10-19-2015 01:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bobabode (Post 290326)
Latest claim from Gowdy about emails debunked by Rep. Cummings.

http://mediamatters.org/research/201...edias-c/206254

Also debunked by the CIA.

CarlV 10-19-2015 02:08 PM

A second explosive memo from the same cache also reveals how Bush used ‘spies’ in the Labour Party to help him to manipulate British public opinion in favour of the war.

The documents, obtained by The Mail on Sunday, are part of a batch of secret emails held on the private server of Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton which U.S. courts have forced her to reveal.

Former Tory Shadow Home Secretary David Davis said: ‘The memos prove in explicit terms what many of us have believed all along: Tony Blair effectively agreed to act as a frontman for American foreign policy in advance of any decision by the House of Commons or the British Cabinet.

‘He was happy to launder George Bush’s policy on Iraq and sub-contract British foreign policy to another country without having the remotest ability to have any real influence over it. And in return for what?

'For George Bush pretending Blair was a player on the world stage to impress voters in the UK when the Americans didn’t even believe it themselves’.

Davis was backed by a senior diplomat with close knowledge of Blair-Bush relations who said: ‘This memo shows beyond doubt for the first time Blair was committed to the Iraq War before he even set foot in Crawford.

'And it shows how the Americans planned to make Blair look an equal partner in the special relationship to bolster his position in the UK.’

Blair’s spokesman insisted last night that Powell’s memo was ‘consistent with what he was saying publicly at the time’.

The former Prime Minister has always hotly denied the claim that the two men signed a deal ‘in blood’ at Crawford to embark on the war, which started on March 20, 2003.

The Powell document, headed ‘Secret... Memorandum for the President’, lifts the lid on how Blair and Bush secretly plotted the war behind closed doors at Crawford.

Powell says to Bush: ‘He will present to you the strategic, tactical and public affairs lines that he believes will strengthen global support for our common cause,’ adding that Blair has the presentational skills to ‘make a credible public case on current Iraqi threats to international peace’.

Five months after the summit, Downing Street produced the notorious ‘45 minutes from doom’ dossier on Saddam Hussein’s supposed Weapons of Mass Destruction. After Saddam was toppled, the dossier’s claims were exposed as bogus.

Nowhere in the memo is a diplomatic route suggested as the preferred option.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz3p2gYvqs4
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:eek:


Carl

Boreas 10-19-2015 02:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CarlV (Post 290333)
[B]Former Tory Shadow Home Secretary David Davis said: ‘The memos prove in explicit terms what many of us have believed all along: Tony Blair effectively agreed to act as a frontman for American foreign policy in advance of any decision by the House of Commons or the British Cabinet.

‘He was happy to launder George Bush’s policy on Iraq and sub-contract British foreign policy to another country without having the remotest ability to have any real influence over it. And in return for what?

'For George Bush pretending Blair was a player on the world stage to impress voters in the UK when the Americans didn’t even believe it themselves’.

This only confirms what we already knew, i.e. Blair was, as the saying goes, Bush's poodle.


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