Casualties Post 9/11 Attacks
 

Medical experts concluded that the environmental degradation after 9/11 had serious consequence to the health of people who lived or worked in the Twin Tower area and especially those who did clean up work.

Conclusion of medical authorities:As of August 2013.

Diagnosed with cancer - 1140 people who worked lived or studied in Lower Manhattan.

Workers at the scene days and months after the attack - 1400 died.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casual...ber_11_attacks

You have a way of rolling hurts done to us around in your mind, over and over, as if they were shiny precious objects.

Any thoughts about the casualties to people in Iraq post 9/11?

For goodness sake today is 9/11.

I honestly hadn't noticed. That is, I knew the date, but the fact that it was the attack anniversary was not in my awareness.

That does make noting the continued effects a tad more understandable.

Perfectly understandable for people living in a bubble of hate filled propaganda, denial and oblivious to factual information.

Thanks Don as these people did sacrifice their lives to help others and I'm sure if they knew the danger they would have done it anyway.

I think cancer kills about 1 out of every 4 people anyway, so I question any study suggesting causality between 9/11 and local NYC cancer deaths.
To quote Wikipedia:

A study published in December 2012 in The Journal of the American Medical Association observed the possible association between exposure to the World Trade Center debris and excess cancer risk. Over 55,000 individuals enrolled in the World Trade Center Health Registry, separated by rescue and/or recovery workers and non-rescue and/or recovery workers, were observed from 2003 or 2004 to December 31, 2008. The findings showed the overall incidence of all cancers among rescue and/or recovery workers was not significantly elevated, compared to non-rescue and/or recovery workers. Despite this, the incidences for prostate cancer, thyroid cancer, and multiple myeloma were significantly elevated among the rescue and/or recovery workers, in the final year of observation.[14]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health...ber_11_attacks

DQ is right.
Our response to 9/11, our invasion of Iraq, was a complete and utter disaster.

What kills me are people complaining about Obama being too soft on Iran after George Bush took out a Sunni buffer by getting rid of Saddam, thus increasing Iran's power in the region.

Fuck 9/11.

It's the day the Bush Administration used as an excuse to start their Illegal. immoral war of imperial aggression in Iraq. A war that has now engulfed almost the entire Middle East into one big giant cluster fuck.

http://i843.photobucket.com/albums/z...50869745_n.jpg

9/11 should be remembered as an example of religious insanity. Or is it the flipside of the 'religion of peace'?

And our response had nothing to do with going after the perpetrators. Nation building and obsession with cheap oil. Conquering Iraq was a cake walk, managing it has been an enduring nightmare. Now we have ISIS which is a ticking time bomb. Countless loss of innocent lives and this continues.

It should also be remembered as, at best, a case of governmental unpreparedness or, at worst, a monstrously cynical effort to galvanize public support for a war of conquest.

Your response leaves me scratching my head. :confused:

Your mixing of the condemnation of Bush with the people in the Twin Towers is unfortunate.

I didn't want to go there today but I have never believed the health problem of the workers story.

I know scores who were there from day one and all are just fine, not even a cough.

TJ probably is not a fan of Giuliani, does that explain it? :D

No
The thread was posted to honor people's actions and the consequent of them.
What does political tirades have to do with that?

I had worked late at the Federal Mogul plant, so I was asleep. But, I woke up at about nine, made a cup of coffee and turned on the t.v.......My first thought? "What movie is this?". Of course it only took about five seconds to realize it wasn't a movie. I watched for about an hour, then went for a bike ride. As I rode I thought of the dead and the inevitable war to come. I wondered what sort of death toll would rise after it was all said and done........if it ever was. Was I scared? No. I knew our military was strong enough to prevent a second overt attack in the near term and that the 9/11 attacks were likely all the enemy was capable of, at the time. Was I angry? No. It came as no surprise to me that obsessed religious fundamentalists are capable of such horrid acts. That's why I oppose them accruing power within our government. No, I was sad........Sad because I knew the bloodbath was only just beginning. Never forget the dead, both on 9/11/01 and the thousands of American soldiers killed and tens of thousands grievously injured, physically and psychologically in the years to follow.

You shouldn't be so hard on yourself.

I felt pretty much the same except that I had no idea how bad the aftermath would be. I expected we would bomb the shit out of Afghanistan and at the time I was all for that. Of course I didn't in my wildest imaginations think we would still be there 14 years later. But the Invasion of Iraq too? I didn't see that coming. :(

Bam! ;)

Bush lacked wisdom. A much wiser President would not have invaded Iraq as a response to 9/11. Although I do not recall many Americans saying "no do not do this" at the time.

My favorite "literary" (he was actually a real Russian general) character right now is General Kutzuzov, who was in charge of the Russian Army during the 1812 French Invasion. The winter and fires set in Moscow have taken a huge toll on the French Army, which was beginning to dissolve after the defeat at Borodino. The Czar, German Generals with the Russian Army, and everyone else is saying chase after the French army and destroy it...but Kutzuzov refuses. He is old and tired, and knows that the weather and geography of Russia has already destroyed Napoleon's forces, and that a pursuit would only lead to the wasted deaths of Russian soldiers and possibly the collapse of the Russian Army. He is shown as being wise while those around him think he is weak or foolish but Tolstoy looking back at him 50 years later makes him out to be the hero.

We needed someone like that in 2003.
I think we will look back at Obama's decision to not to follow through on his "Red Line" as a very wise decision also. I think it is obvious who would be in charge of Damascus now if we had taken the Syrian government down.

To some greater or lesser degree, we were all upset with Arabs and Muslims in general. We were caught up in the moment and out for revenge. That's when a GOOD leader is supposed to step up and lead with prudent restraint. Unfortunately we had a wannabe cowboy jackass serving as the pied piper of the simpleminded and reactionary macho-men. Tens of thousands of American lives ruined and trillions of dollars spent and we STILL haven't learned...........that we became a greater threat to ourselves than bin Laden & Co. ever posed. Just look at the assholes at the forefront of the GOP field and tell me how we aren't in danger of setting ourselves up for more of the same.................

Exactly, Robbin.

P.S. Sounds like some interesting reading.

You do not know what you are missing if you have not read War and Peace.
The Maude or Constance Garnett translation.

Efforts to renew James Zadroga 9/11 Health and Compensation Act.

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer...-renewal.html#

Any leader who doesn't respond as if military intervention is a last, final, desperately-tried-to-avoid-it resort isn't a leader I desire to follow.

There are guys that are amazing as war time folks (Patton, Halsey, Stormin' Norman) but those guys didn't make the decision to go to war. I believe in the need for these kind of folks but not until AFTER the call is made.

To make the call, I desire a different type of leader.

Regarding that, the recently reported presence of Russian advisers with Assad's forces suggests to me that the ISIS guys now pose a greater threat to Assad than other rebel groups have previously.