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Rajoo 09-10-2015 11:21 AM

NYPD, again!
 
NYPD Officer Placed on Modified Duty in James Blake Case

James Blake is a well respected black retired tennis star from the US visiting New York City for the US Open tournament. He is misidentified by a witness and subsequently manhandled and arrested outside his hotel as he was awaiting his ride..

Fortunately a retired NYPD cop identified him and he was soon released. Kudos to Commissioner Bratton in being proactive and strip the offending officer of his badge and gun, and ask their IA to open an investigation.

James Blake identified himself and offered to cooperate, yet the cops proceeded to manhandle him, throw him to the curb. This one is going to sting internationally since tennis is a worldwide sport.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/nypd-off...ase-1441897116

4-2-7 09-10-2015 12:10 PM

A non story, it seems some people are drama queens.

donquixote99 09-10-2015 12:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BeamOn (Post 284720)
NYPD Officer Placed on Modified Duty in James Blake Case

James Blake is a well respected black retired tennis star from the US visiting New York City for the US Open tournament. He is misidentified by a witness and subsequently manhandled and arrested outside his hotel as he was awaiting his ride..

Fortunately a retired NYPD cop identified him and he was soon released. Kudos to Commissioner Bratton in being proactive and strip the offending officer of his badge and gun, and ask their IA to open an investigation.

James Blake identified himself and offered to cooperate, yet the cops proceeded to manhandle him, throw him to the curb. This one is going to sting internationally since tennis is a worldwide sport.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/nypd-off...ase-1441897116


If you flash a badge and he his a perp as identified, he cuts and runs and can be hard to catch. So this is standard procedure. Usually, no one cares.

The risk of serious injury to an innocent person is considered acceptable by the guys doing the injury--and by most everyone else until a 'special person' gets tossed around.

'Special people' are different, of course. So the cop gets a paid vacation.

4-2-7 09-10-2015 12:17 PM

Selective outrage

How come no post on cop assassination on this site?

How come no threads on a gay liberal black man shooting white people on TV?

Rajoo 09-10-2015 12:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by donquixote99 (Post 284723)
If you flash a badge and he his a perp as identified, he cuts and runs and can be hard to catch. So this is standard procedure. Usually, no one cares.

The risk of serious injury to an innocent person is considered acceptable by the guys doing the injury--and by most everyone else until a 'special person' gets tossed around.

'Special people' are different, of course. So the cop gets a paid vacation.

Understood and thanks. How this will play out in the international media is anyone's guess. I assumed that well dressed people waiting on the curb outside five stars hotels will be accosted more professionally. My mistake and your explanation sounds reasonable though hard to accept.

Of course Zeke would say do not hand around the curb of swanky hotels if you don't want to be manhandled by the police. :D

donquixote99 09-10-2015 12:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BeamOn (Post 284726)
Understood and thanks. How this will play out in the international media is anyone's guess. I assumed that well dressed people waiting on the curb outside five stars hotels will be accosted more professionally. My mistake and your explanation sounds reasonable though hard to accept.

Of course Zeke would say do not hand around on the curb of swanky hotels if you don't want to be manhandled. :D

To be a tad more clear, I don't see an arrest method that risks injury as much as this to ever be acceptable for suspects not known to have done or threatened violence. But the thing this case really highlights is how much social class enters into it. The cop's actual crime was 'curbing a celebrity.' Absent that factor, we'd never have heard of this.

catswiththum 09-10-2015 01:07 PM

Can't remember where I read it - will try to find it again - author of the article pondered the consequences if large city police forces across the country, in response to the recent upsurge in targeted police assassinations, went on strike until better protective policies were implemented.

Interesting, although I don't believe police officers - as vital service providers - are allowed to strike. I could be wrong.

I wouldn't want to see it happen.

donquixote99 09-10-2015 01:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by catswiththum (Post 284728)
Can't remember where I read it - will try to find it again - author of the article pondered the consequences if large city police forces across the country, in response to the recent upsurge in targeted police assassinations, went on strike until better protective policies were implemented.

Interesting, although I don't believe police officers - as vital service providers - are allowed to strike. I could be wrong.

I wouldn't want to see it happen.

Good grief. Is that the choice, we must smile and say 'good job' when the cops tackle non-violent suspects, or else they may ponder going on strike to show us they must be allowed to do their job just as they please?

matteos 09-10-2015 01:35 PM

Another E.W.B.B

catswiththum 09-10-2015 01:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by donquixote99 (Post 284731)
Good grief. Is that the choice, we must smile and say 'good job' when the cops tackle non-violent suspects, or else they may ponder going on strike to show us they must be allowed to do their job just as they please?

I don't believe that was his point - will try to find the article. If I remember correctly, he was putting out different possible scenarios as a result of the recent increase in the targeting of police officers.

Rajoo 09-10-2015 05:01 PM

What is E.W.B.B ?

matteos 09-10-2015 05:14 PM

Existing while being black

Rajoo 09-10-2015 05:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by matteos (Post 284764)
Existing while being black

I was avoiding that angle since a sting operation witness had actually identified Blake. Or did the cops pick out the wrong guy? We would never know.

If I ever come to NYC, I am not going to stay at the Grand Hyatt. :D

matteos 09-10-2015 05:40 PM

Doesn't really matter if the witness identified him or not. If he was white he wouldn't have gotten thrown to the ground like that.

Look how they backtrack now they realize they fucked up because they did this to a famous and wealthy black man. Hence the immediate retractions and apologies and officer placed on "modified duty" (whatever that is).

If he was poor and not famous there would be no apologies and retractions, there would be no story. Just business as usual.

They fucked up because this guy has money and fame and that is why in this one particular instance they know they cannot act with impunity because the lawyers will come a knocking.

matteos 09-10-2015 05:47 PM

Same old over the top policing. The guys that rushed him were not in uniform, they did not identify themselves. If I was bum rushed like that I would have fought back assuming I was being attacked by civilians for whatever reason. Maybe I would be killed for resisting arrest, maybe not.

Obviously if a black man fought back against a mob that were in plain clothes and did not immediately identify themselves he would be shot for resisting arrest.

We have a serious over the top police response in this country where it seems force is being used when it is unwarranted. We know James Blake would not have and was not resisting arrest (Because he had no idea what was going on). and yet he gets body slammed into the concrete which results in him being injured (imagine if he was still playing tennis what that would have meant).

I hope because he has the means that he sues the police department. Money is the only language these corrupt morons understand. Bankrupt the police department and the town. I think maybe then people will start to situp and say no more to this heavy handed policing.

Zeke 09-10-2015 05:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by matteos (Post 284771)
We have a serious over the top police response in this country where it seems force is being used when it is unwarranted.

If you're fingered and identified as violent or armed, this approach is mandated.

If you want different, curb guns. :cool:

matteos 09-10-2015 05:54 PM

http://www.cbs46.com/story/26314884/...njured-in-raid

cops throw a flashbang into a babies crib during a no knock search warrant on a suspected drug dealer. Only problem. They had the wrong address. No drugs were found or arrests were made. Just one baby lying next to a flash bang grenade that went off scarring his face and chest for life.

Not to fear though, because the county has REFUSED to pay any of the babies medical bills.

Oh yeah, we don't have a problem of over the top policing in America.
Here is the picture of the dangerous drug dealer apprehended by good ol' USA police

http://wgcl.images.worldnow.com/images/26314884_BG1.jpg

matteos 09-10-2015 05:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zeke (Post 284772)
If you're fingered and identified as violent or armed, this approach is mandated.

If you want different, curb guns. :cool:

Shut your mouth.

Proper procedure is to go up to the suspect, identify yourself and make an arrest. If he flees then you are allowed to tackle. Not before.

Again. Shut your troll mouth.

noonereal 09-10-2015 06:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BeamOn (Post 284720)
NYPD Officer Placed on Modified Duty in James Blake Case

James Blake is a well respected black retired tennis star from the US visiting New York City for the US Open tournament. He is misidentified by a witness and subsequently manhandled and arrested outside his hotel as he was awaiting his ride..

Fortunately a retired NYPD cop identified him and he was soon released. Kudos to Commissioner Bratton in being proactive and strip the offending officer of his badge and gun, and ask their IA to open an investigation.

James Blake identified himself and offered to cooperate, yet the cops proceeded to manhandle him, throw him to the curb. This one is going to sting internationally since tennis is a worldwide sport.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/nypd-off...ase-1441897116

what's the problem, it's a common mistake. We all know all blacks look alike and every arrest needs to be violent.

Tom Joad 09-10-2015 06:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by noonereal (Post 284777)
We all know all blacks look alike and every arrest needs to be violent.

They all carry straight razors doncha know?

No, wait, I'm showing my age. :o

They all carry guns. :)

donquixote99 09-10-2015 06:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zeke (Post 284772)
If you're fingered and identified as violent or armed, this approach is mandated.

If you want different, curb guns. :cool:

"...and identified as violent or armed" you say, which is not alleged here. But you throw in non-factual conditions to get a way to say this is 'mandated.'

Would it kill you to agree that there's a problem when this is routine despite lack of violence or arms?

noonereal 09-10-2015 06:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom Joad (Post 284779)
They all carry straight razors doncha know?

No, wait, I'm showing my age. :o

They all carry guns. :)

your all screwed up, that was the Ricans.

Didn't you ever see West Side Story?

Boreas 09-10-2015 06:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 4-2-7 (Post 284722)
A non story, it seems some people are drama queens.

Yeah, the cops must treat you like that all the time! What's the big deal?

Boreas 09-10-2015 07:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom Joad (Post 284779)
They all carry straight razors doncha know?

No, wait, I'm showing my age. :o

They all carry guns. :)

Now, if you really want to show your age, then you call that razor a "Barlow".

4-2-7 09-10-2015 07:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boreas (Post 284800)
Yeah, the cops must treat you like that all the time! What's the big deal?

Pretty much, the difference is when I'm confronted I respect they have a job to do. Being a ass hole doesn't do anyone any good.

Rex E. 09-10-2015 07:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 4-2-7 (Post 284808)
Pretty much, the difference is when I'm confronted I respect they have a job to do. Being a ass hole doesn't do anyone any good.

You get tackled by a group of cops often......

matteos 09-10-2015 07:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 4-2-7 (Post 284808)
Pretty much, the difference is when I'm confronted I respect they have a job to do. Being a ass hole doesn't do anyone any good.

The only interaction he had prior to being body slammed to the ground by the cop was to smile at the cop because he thought someone running at him like that must have been an old friend running up to him to give him a hug. Did you red the article?

4-2-7 09-10-2015 07:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rex E. (Post 284811)
You get tackled by a group of cops often......

Well to tell the truth, not as often today as it used to be.;)

Boreas 09-10-2015 07:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rex E. (Post 284811)
You get tackled by a group of cops often......

Apparently. As he tells it, our Daniel has been a very naughty boy and the local blue meanies seem to like putting him through his paces.

4-2-7 09-10-2015 10:50 PM

Why do cops need to take someone down? How about so they can go home after work.

https://www.full30.com/video/dc1c563...d94?ref=F530fb

Rajoo 09-10-2015 10:53 PM

In the title I said again because this case below is now winding through the court system.
Thabo Sefolosha, an NBA player of some fame and with a good personal reputation got his leg broken in the scuffle with the cops. and this just before the NBA playoffs which he missed. He is now refusing a plea bargain preferring a jury trial.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/13...et-oct-5-trial

4-2-7 09-10-2015 11:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BeamOn (Post 284853)
In the title I said again because this case below is now winding through the court system.
Thabo Sefolosha, an NBA player of some fame and with a good personal reputation got his leg broken in the scuffle with the cops. and this just before the NBA playoffs which he missed. He is now refusing a plea bargain preferring a jury trial.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/13...et-oct-5-trial

"He is now refusing a plea bargain preferring a jury trial."

If he was so innocent there would be no trial at all.

Boreas 09-10-2015 11:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 4-2-7 (Post 284858)
"He is now refusing a plea bargain preferring a jury trial."

If he was so innocent there would be no trial at all.

Boy, is that ever dumb!

4-2-7 09-11-2015 01:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boreas (Post 284860)
Boy, is that ever dumb!

Only for the ignorant

Could it be I have a bit more experience with the criminal justice department?

Zeke 09-11-2015 06:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by matteos (Post 284774)
Shut your mouth.

Proper procedure is to go up to the suspect, identify yourself and make an arrest. If he flees then you are allowed to tackle. Not before.

Again. Shut your troll mouth.

You're just wholly, wholly wrong.

If a weapon, danger, or any number of a LARGE number of things are suspected via all manner of potential avenues?

You go to the ground, then we "talk."

Witnesses, even inaccurate ones, count. :cool:

matteos 09-11-2015 06:32 PM

http://www.wmur.com/national/james-b...round/35226272

No need for witnesses watch the footage.

You defend stand your ground laws in the case of Trayvon Martin. A black kid who was accosted and then murdered by a (proven) unhinged fuckhead. Zimmerman apparently had the right to self defense, even though he provoked the fight.

And in this case where a non uniformed cop who does not identify themselves. They can attack a black man too.

Would James Blake be within his rights to kill the officer who does not identify himself. Funny old mess your logic, but I see your decisive point in all of this.

If you are black you have no rights.

Put on your little pointy white hood. I think you've got some crosses to burn and some black men to lynch. Maybe they whistled at a white woman.

matteos 09-11-2015 06:33 PM

But I'm glad this happened to James Blake. He seems eminently sensible. His wealth and fame may hopefully serve as a catalyst for change.

The public deserves a police force that don't act in this fashion.

Zeke 09-11-2015 06:35 PM

Now you're just being dumb.

Go re-read any post I've made on Martin.

In theory, Blake might be within some right to try and harm the officer: that's why you take him to the ground.

Witness? You're toast. If the witness is wrong? You've subdued the guy immediately and maintained safety in a situation that could go bad.

Standard procedure.

Live with it. Public protection upheld.

matteos 09-11-2015 06:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zeke (Post 284941)
Now you're just being dumb.

Go re-read any post I've made on Martin.

In theory, Blake might be within some right to try and harm the officer: that's why you take him to the ground.

Witness? You're toast. If the witness is wrong? You've subdued the guy immediately and maintained safety in a situation that could go bad.

Standard procedure.

Live with it. Public protection upheld.

You are being dumb. Watch the video. He poses absolutely no threat. The little hitler cop needs to be kicked off the force, like you were.

Rajoo 09-12-2015 08:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by matteos (Post 284944)
You are being dumb. Watch the video. He poses absolutely no threat. The little hitler cop needs to be kicked off the force, like you were.

This cop has prior history of using excessive force and his worst offense here may also be that he did not identify himself before rushing and taking down Blake.

Quote:

The officer whose rough, mistaken arrest of former tennis star James Blake prompted apologies from New York City's mayor and police commissioner has a history of excessive-force allegations, records show.

Officer James Frascatore was the subject of five civilian complaints in a seven-month period of 2013, according to radio's WNYC, and he has been named in two federal civil rights lawsuits as being among a group of officers accused of beating, pepper spraying and falsely arresting two Queens men in separate incidents that year.
http://www.espn.co.uk/tennis/story/_...ce-allegations


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