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Tom Joad 08-22-2015 01:16 PM

Biden ponders details of 2016 run with decision nearing
 
Howabout it?

Is Uncle Joe gonna run, or not?

Personally I'd like it if he did.

Bernie is still going to be my first choice, but I like Uncle Joe too.


http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/B...on-6459255.php

Quote:

WASHINGTON (AP) — Tucked away at his family home in Delaware, Vice President Joe Biden has been huddling with longtime aides and family members, evaluating what it would take to launch a viable presidential campaign against well-funded Democratic opponents with a huge head start.

Although Biden has yet to make a decision, his advisers say the vice president and his associates have started gaming out mechanics like fundraising, ballot deadlines and an early primary state strategy. Also under consideration are the personal consequences for Biden and his family, who are still mourning the death of the vice president's son, Beau Biden, a few months ago.

Much of the deliberation has taken place this week at the Bidens' house in a secluded, wooded suburb of Wilmington, said several Biden aides, who requested anonymity because they weren't authorized to discuss the meetings publicly. In recent days, longtime Biden confidantes Mike Donilon and former Sen. Ted Kaufman have spent time there, along with Biden's grandson, Hunter Biden, and his sister, Valerie Owens Biden, who has played a top role in all his previous campaigns.

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Rajoo 08-22-2015 01:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom Joad (Post 282145)
Howabout it?

Is Uncle Joe gonna run, or not?

Personally I'd like it if he did.

Bernie is still going to be my first choice, but I like Uncle Joe too.


http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/B...on-6459255.php



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Only if he can persuade Hillary to drop out of the race since she is now toxic for the Democratic party. One cannot dismiss the email issue since it now has a life on it's own and the FBI is now looking into it. This will stay alive for months to come, probably throughout this election season.

Independents will not vote for Hillary or not vote at all. With the debacle in the GOP primary, no goodwill points are being scored by the Democrats either. Wonder why? ;)

bobabode 08-22-2015 02:28 PM

Joe will be 75 in Jan. '17. He's not running, no matter how many present and former conservatives wish HRC would quit. ;)

Tom Joad 08-22-2015 02:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bobabode (Post 282153)
Joe will be 75 in Jan. '17. He's not running, no matter how many present and former conservatives wish HRC would quit. ;)

Actually he'll be 74.

So what?

Bernie's a year older than Biden.

Hillary will be 69.

Trump will be 70.

80 is the new 40. ;)

bobabode 08-22-2015 02:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom Joad (Post 282154)
Actually he'll be 74.

So what?

Bernie's a year older than Biden.

Hillary will be 69.

Trump will be 70.

80 is the new 40. ;)

I guess we can expect Via-gra commercials at WhiteHouse.gov then. :cool:

Big Dog for First Cabana Boy! :cool:

Rajoo 08-22-2015 08:55 PM

Looks like this is serious. Biden met with Elizabeth Warren privately today in DC. That's great news.

Biden, Warren huddle amid 2016 speculation

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/p.../?tid=pm_pop_b

Boreas 08-22-2015 09:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BeamOn (Post 282189)
Looks like this is serious. Biden met with Elizabeth Warren privately today in DC. That's great news.

Biden, Warren huddle amid 2016 speculation

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/p.../?tid=pm_pop_b

Who's to say that Joe isn't trying to convince Warren to run? It has to figure among the more likely reasons for the meeting.

Rajoo 08-22-2015 09:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boreas (Post 282190)
Who's to say that Joe isn't trying to convince Warren to run? It has to figure among the more likely reasons for the meeting.

To be sure and in fact Biden may not be a very good candidate after all. I am for a robust Democratic primary process and hoping that HRC gets derailed in the process.

Rajoo 08-23-2015 04:37 PM

Looks more and more like Biden is going to jump in. Wonder what this would do to Sander's candidacy. Probably he will be the Ron Paul of the Democratic party.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/...0QS0RZ20150823

Boreas 08-23-2015 04:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BeamOn (Post 282267)
Looks more and more like Biden is going to jump in. Wonder what this would do to Sander's candidacy. Probably he will be the Ron Paul of the Democratic party.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/...0QS0RZ20150823

Quote:

Democratic presidential candidate Martin O'Malley said he had a "great deal of respect" for Biden.

"It would be nice to have at least one more lifelong Democrat in the race," the former Maryland governor told ABC's This Week with George Stephanopoulos.

The comment was partially a reference to independent Senator Bernie Sanders, a self-declared soci@list from Vermont, who is also seeking the Democratic nomination.
Also perhaps a dig at Hillary, the former "Goldwater Girl".

And Bernie is not a "declared soci@list". He's a declared democratic soci@list. There's a f#$king difference, Reuters!

finnbow 08-23-2015 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Boreas (Post 282270)
Also perhaps a dig at Hillary, the former "Goldwater Girl".

And Bernie is not a "declared soci@list". He's a declared democratic soci@list. There's a f#$king difference, Reuters!

Bernie is the longest-serving independent in Congressional history. While it's in error to characterize him as a so************************t, I'd say it's fair to say that he is not a lifelong Democrat.

Boreas 08-23-2015 05:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by finnbow (Post 282273)
Bernie is the longest-serving independent in Congressional history. While it's in error to characterize him as a so************************t, I'd say it's fair to say that he is not a lifelong Democrat.

Hence my use of the word "also".

noonereal 08-23-2015 05:06 PM

Hill is history IMHO, her window has closed.

Biden is a better bet vs the GOP.

Rajoo 08-23-2015 05:13 PM

Quote:

As Sanders explained in a 2006 interview with Democracy Now!:

I think [democratic so************************m] means the government has got to play a very important role in making sure that as a right of citizenship all of our people have healthcare; that as a right, all of our kids, regardless of income, have quality childcare, are able to go to college without going deeply into debt; that it means we do not allow large corporations and moneyed interests to destroy our environment; that we create a government in which it is not dominated by big money interest. I mean, to me, it means democracy, frankly. That’s all it means.
There you have it, the definition of a Democratic Sosialist.

Stop Calling Bernie Sanders a Sosialist

http://www.newrepublic.com/article/1...*************t

Rajoo 08-25-2015 03:33 AM

Obama gives Joe Biden 'blessing' for 2016 bid

There you have it, strongest sign yet that Biden is preparing for a run.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/24/politi...blessing-2016/

bobabode 08-25-2015 11:46 PM

Interesting take on Joe Biden jumping in from Milbank at the Post. Biden as a 'stalking horse'.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...y.html?hpid=z2

noonereal 08-26-2015 08:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom Joad (Post 282145)
Biden ponders details of 2016 run with decision nearing

He is pondering nothing.

He has always wanted to be president and this is his last chance.

HELLO

djv8ga 08-27-2015 10:10 AM

Poll: Joe Biden Would Outperform Hillary Clinton in 2016 General Election -
http://www.newsweek.com/still-biden-his-time-366197

BlueStreak 08-27-2015 02:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by finnbow (Post 282273)
Bernie is the longest-serving independent in Congressional history. While it's in error to characterize him as a so************************t, I'd say it's fair to say that he is not a lifelong Democrat.

He characterizes himself as a "Democratic So(c)ialist". Has for decades.

finnbow 08-27-2015 02:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlueStreak (Post 282736)
He characterizes himself as a "Democratic So(c)ialist". Has for decades.

Indeed he does, along with Independent. In either instance, he is not (formally) a Democrat.

Boreas 08-27-2015 02:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by finnbow (Post 282737)
Indeed he does, along with Independent. In either instance, he is not (formally) a Democrat.

Did someone say he was?

Tom Joad 08-27-2015 04:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by finnbow (Post 282737)
Indeed he does, along with Independent. In either instance, he is not (formally) a Democrat.

So?

What's your point?

Be careful how you answer that.

It's a trick question.;)

Rex E. 08-28-2015 02:58 PM

Biden= R win

If Hillary is out then It has to be Warren or Sanders....R win otherwise.... :D

finnbow 08-28-2015 03:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rex E. (Post 282957)
Biden= R win

If Hillary is out then It has to be Warren or Sanders....R win otherwise.... :D

I think Biden would do better in the general election than Bernie and probably Warren.

bobabode 08-28-2015 04:11 PM

Other than Hillary's likability ratings, she still holds a commanding lead in both parties in the national polls.

Clinton-Castro in '16. :)

djv8ga 08-28-2015 04:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bobabode (Post 282980)
Other than Hillary's likability ratings, she still holds a commanding lead in both parties in the national polls.

Clinton-Castro in '16. :)

She does? :confused: What about the "Do You Trust Her" polls?

finnbow 08-28-2015 04:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bobabode (Post 282980)
Other than Hillary's likability ratings, she still holds a commanding lead in both parties in the national polls.

Clinton-Castro in '16. :)

Vice President Joe Biden has the best favorability rating among top 2016 contenders in either party, and he would run a little better than Hillary Clinton in the general election, according to a new Quinnipiac University national poll released Thursday that also shows Donald Trump increasing his lead in the GOP race.

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/0...p-field-121792

icenine 08-28-2015 04:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bobabode (Post 282980)
Other than Hillary's likability ratings, she still holds a commanding lead in both parties in the national polls.

Clinton-Castro in '16. :)

That is her best choice...it would be a juggernaut ticket.

bobabode 08-28-2015 04:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by finnbow (Post 282982)
Vice President Joe Biden has the best favorability rating among top 2016 contenders in either party, and he would run a little better than Hillary Clinton in the general election, according to a new Quinnipiac University national poll released Thursday that also shows Donald Trump increasing his lead in the GOP race.

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/0...p-field-121792

If (and that's a big if) Joe jumps in the race wait'll the press starts in with the plagiarism scandal that sunk one of his previous bids and the Biden gaffe reels start playing on endless loops.

Mind you, Hills also had great favorability ratings until she jumped in, it seems typical that favorability ratings drop once the campaign gets going.

Call me ageist but Joe seems worn down from all the years in public service and he and the family are still grieving over Beau.

In closing, call me crazy but I see Joe as a team player and campaigning for Hillary. Give the old duffer a plum ambassadorship at the Court of St. James for his lifetime in public service. ;)

bobabode 08-28-2015 04:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by icenine (Post 282987)
That is her best choice...it would be a juggernaut ticket.

Yessir! :)

Boreas 08-28-2015 04:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bobabode (Post 282988)
If (and that's a big if) Joe jumps in the race wait'll the press starts in with the plagiarism scandal that sunk one of his previous bids and the Biden gaffe reels start playing on endless loops.

It's already started. It's mostly Breitbart, Limbaugh and Murdoch pushing the Ashley Madison-Hunter Biden story.

finnbow 08-28-2015 04:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bobabode (Post 282988)
If (and that's a big if) Joe jumps in the race wait'll the press starts in with the plagiarism scandal that sunk one of his previous bids and the Biden gaffe reels start playing on endless loops.

Mind you, Hills also had great favorability ratings until she jumped in, it seems typical that favorability ratings drop once the campaign gets going.

Call me ageist but Joe seems worn down from all the years in public service and he and the family are still grieving over Beau.

In closing, call me crazy but I see Joe as a team player and campaigning for Hillary. Give the old duffer a plum ambassadorship at the Court of St. James for his lifetime in public service. ;)

That paints a picture in which Hillary comes out of the email brouhaha soon and unscathed, in terms of legal exposure and reputation and thereafter learns how to campaign effectively. Lots of ifs there too.

djv8ga 08-28-2015 05:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by finnbow (Post 282993)
That paints a picture in which Hillary comes out of the email brouhaha soon and unscathed, in terms of legal exposure and reputation and thereafter learns how to campaign effectively. Lots of ifs there too.

I think it's to late for that -

“Clinton has some serious problems,” said Andy Smith, director of the University of New Hampshire Survey Center. “Maybe Bernie Sanders isn’t the ideal candidate to run against her, but the anti-Clinton vote is where the energy is.”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politi...74b_story.html

bobabode 08-28-2015 05:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by finnbow (Post 282993)
That paints a picture in which Hillary comes out of the email brouhaha soon and unscathed, in terms of legal exposure and reputation and thereafter learns how to campaign effectively. Lots of ifs there too.

Agreed, call it faith if you must but the right has called wolf so many times and they've always ended up with egg on their faces and the Clintons get a poll bump in return.

Have you read David Ignatius' op-ed in the Post today?

finnbow 08-28-2015 05:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bobabode (Post 282997)
Agreed, call it faith if you must but the right has called wolf so many times and they've always ended up with egg on their faces and the Clintons get a poll bump in return.

Have you read David Ignatius' op-ed in the Post today?

I did and am not sure that I agree, as much respect as I have for him. While he says that back-channels have always existed (and also skirted the law), these back-channels are more of an occasional skirting of the law, not the default means of all communications. Plus, he doesn't address the issue of maintenance of public records (whether classified or otherwise). Lastly, he says that Hillary's case isn't analogous to John Deutsch's, but it's actually eerily close.

finnbow 08-29-2015 04:37 PM

http://images.csmonitor.com/csm/2015...andard_900x600

donquixote99 08-29-2015 05:23 PM

^^^ cute cartoon! Funny!

Rajoo 08-29-2015 05:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by donquixote99 (Post 283154)
^^^ cute cartoon! Funny!

Yes and even better if Finn can find a cartoon showing RNC calling up some minor leaguers since neither Joe nor Bernie can throw a strike. Anyone other than Kamala Harris come to mind?

Boreas 08-29-2015 06:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BeamOn (Post 283156)
Yes and even better if Finn can find a cartoon showing RNC calling up some minor leaguers since neither Joe nor Bernie can throw a strike. Anyone other than Kamala Harris come to mind?

I want to marry her!

She's going to run for the Senate though...... which is what I think Martin O'Malley should have done with Barbara Mikulski retiring (and Donna Edwards could have stayed in the House).

bobabode 08-29-2015 07:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BeamOn (Post 283156)
Yes and even better if Finn can find a cartoon showing RNC calling up some minor leaguers since neither Joe nor Bernie can throw a strike. Anyone other than Kamala Harris come to mind?

Gavin Newsom for President in '24 :cool:


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