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Rajoo 08-08-2015 12:43 PM

'I Don't Wanna Die Too Young'
 
And of course he died young, shot and killed by a cop in Arlington, Texas.
Details in the case are still emerging, he had crashed into a GM dealership late into the night, tripped the burglar alarm. He was unarmed.

He seems to have tweeted 'I Don't Wanna Die Too Young' just this past week and find this story quite compelling.

Christian Taylor, Texas Teen Killed By Cop, Tweeted: 'I Don't Wanna Die Too Young'

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/...na-die-n406461

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/...0QD05X20150808

Boreas 08-08-2015 01:29 PM

Sure would like to see that surveillance video.

A 49 year old trainee? Why does someone want to become a cop at that age? It's not hard to see someone with an agenda here.

Still, Taylor did seem to be preoccupied, not illogically, with a fear of police. It's possible that he did act aggressively out of a consuming sensation of terror. It may have seemed to him that his worst fears were staring him in the face..... and so it was.

JJIII 08-08-2015 02:19 PM

How did it come to be that he drove into the dealership?

Pio1980 08-09-2015 11:21 AM

I suppose he had mental problems, possibly going schizophrenic. Had a family member with problems die restrained in police custody, tho circumstances were much different than this. What I see here, I have no reason to fault the LEO if he was being assaulted and in fear. Encountering a passively irrational person would be different as was in the situation cited.

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Rajoo 08-12-2015 10:32 AM

Here is progress, something that may not have happened pre-Ferguson.

Officer fired for 'troubling' decisions in shooting of Texas teen
Quote:

The police chief said Miller tracked the suspect on his own without properly communicating with other officers. He cornered him in a room in the dealership, where Taylor began approaching him and refused commands to surrender.

By that time, training officer Wiggins was with Miller. As Taylor approached, Miller fired a single shot and Wiggins fired a Taser. Miller then fired three more shots to subdue the suspect, the police chief said.
Refuse to comply? You are dead. :mad:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/...0QG2AR20150812

Tom Joad 08-12-2015 11:48 AM

There is so much of this kind of crap going on that I'm considering starting a thread entitled "American Police State" where it can all be posted in one place.

Anyone have any thoughts on this?

Boreas 08-12-2015 01:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom Joad (Post 280858)
There is so much of this kind of crap going on that I'm considering starting a thread entitled "American Police State" where it can all be posted in one place.

Anyone have any thoughts on this?

Go for it.

Rajoo 08-12-2015 10:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom Joad (Post 280858)
There is so much of this kind of crap going on that I'm considering starting a thread entitled "American Police State" where it can all be posted in one place.

Anyone have any thoughts on this?

I say yes but check with Zeke first. He may not have the time to respond to the barrage of posts that I anticipate. :)

Zeke 08-13-2015 01:27 AM

Attacked by a crazy guy doing something he wasn't supposed to do in a place he wasn't supposed to be? I don't anticipate any charges sticking.

"Fired?" Because he was still in field training, you don't need any particular reason beyond the convenience of placating.

I doubt this goes anywhere and someone that had completed training wouldn't have an issue (although it can be argued that someone who had completed training may have reacted differently).

Crazies aren't excused merely because they're crazy and this guy is being metaphorically hung for going solo, not necessarily for his action(s).

Boreas 08-13-2015 09:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zeke (Post 280935)
Attacked by a crazy guy doing something he wasn't supposed to do in a place he wasn't supposed to be? I don't anticipate any charges sticking.

"Fired?" Because he was still in field training, you don't need any particular reason beyond the convenience of placating.

I doubt this goes anywhere and someone that had completed training wouldn't have an issue (although it can be argued that someone who had completed training may have reacted differently).

Crazies aren't excused merely because they're crazy and this guy is being metaphorically hung for going solo, not necessarily for his action(s).

You mean like his training officer?

This may not "go anywhere" but, as we see all the time with killer cops, that doesn't mean shit.

Rajoo 08-13-2015 10:06 AM

So the moral of this real story is 'if a teenager gets inebriated, acts crazy and is destroying property (doesn't this happen a lot in campus towns?)', they will get killed? Where is the concept of just punishment? So we are a Police State.

Boreas 08-13-2015 10:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BeamOn (Post 280948)
So the moral of this real story is 'if a teenager gets inebriated, acts crazy and is destroying property (doesn't this happen a lot in campus towns?)', they will get killed? Where is the concept of just punishment? So we are a Police State.

Not necessarily. Not if they're white.

And, yes, we are a police state now, a racist police state run by and for billionaires.

Ike Bana 08-13-2015 10:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zeke (Post 280935)
Attacked by a crazy guy doing something he wasn't supposed to do in a place he wasn't supposed to be? I don't anticipate any charges sticking.

"Fired?" Because he was still in field training, you don't need any particular reason beyond the convenience of placating.

I doubt this goes anywhere and someone that had completed training wouldn't have an issue (although it can be argued that someone who had completed training may have reacted differently).

Crazies aren't excused merely because they're crazy and this guy is being metaphorically hung for going solo, not necessarily for his action(s).

Zeke...has there ever been a "bad shoot"? If so, just give us one. Please...Zeke...enlighten us so we have a clue as to what we should be looking for.

Zeke 08-13-2015 02:26 PM

The one where an officer cannot articulate any semblance of immediate danger to self or others?

When you find that, call me.

As for the metaphorical inebriated teen? If he places an officer in fear of his life, lethal force is 100% fair game.

And? That's on him.

Boreas 08-13-2015 02:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zeke (Post 281004)
The one where an officer cannot articulate any semblance of immediate danger to self or others?

When you find that, call me.

So, they're all good shoots, right, Zeke?

Yeah, that's what we thought.

When Michael Slager murdered Walter Scott, he was able to articulate a sense of immediate danger after he gunned down an unarmed fleeing man. That articulated fear would have held up too, had already been accepted, until the citizen video of the murder surfaced.

Dontcha hate when that happens, Bluey?

Quote:

As for the metaphorical inebriated teen? If he places an officer in fear of his life, lethal force is 100% fair game.

And? That's on him.
The metaphorical dead one?

(You need to look up "metaphor".)

Ike Bana 08-13-2015 02:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zeke (Post 281004)
The one where an officer cannot articulate any semblance of immediate danger to self or others?

When you find that, call me.

That's not even no I can't. That's go fuck yourself.

Not that it wasn't clear already...but this confirms your credibility on this issue is zero.

Rajoo 08-13-2015 04:56 PM

What does it really mean, "an officer cannot articulate........"? Is that like parsing?
In simple language please since English is my second language. ;)

matteos 08-13-2015 05:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ike Bana (Post 281009)
That's not even no I can't. That's go fuck yourself.

Not that it wasn't clear already...but this confirms your credibility on this issue is zero.

His credibility has risen that high?

Boreas 08-13-2015 05:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BeamOn (Post 281028)
What does it really mean, "an officer cannot articulate........"? Is that like parsing?
In simple language please since English is my second language. ;)

Zeke has shown no ability to post in plain English. He seems to be able to express himself only in a fractured, pseudointellectual, overly mannered and misconstructed version of the language.

As hard as it was to sift through the prose in that last post of his, I think it's safe to suggest that Zeke is trying to say that any cop who is able to clearly state that he had a fear that his or another's life or safety was at risk is free to do any damn thing he wants to. This, as a moral proposition, is pure bullshit but, as a statement of the realities of modern police practices, it's all too true.

Even when there is conclusive contradictory evidence, such as was the case with Daniel Pantaleo choking out Eric Garner or Timothy Loehmann shooting Tamir Rice and then watching him die or Sean Williams gunning down John Crawford, all it takes is a "well articulated fear for one's personal safety" to get away with murder.

It remains to be seen whether Slager will walk on murdering Walter Scott or Tensing will skate for killing Samuel DuBose or Miller will get away with killing Christian Taylor. My guess is they will.

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Zeke 08-13-2015 05:50 PM

So, basically, I was right.

donquixote99 08-13-2015 06:12 PM

You've never been right about anything.

Boreas 08-13-2015 06:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zeke (Post 281032)
So, basically, I was right.

If what you're saying is that it's ridiculously easy for cops to get away with murder, then you're absolutely right. Doesn't that make you feel proud?

Zeke 08-13-2015 10:56 PM

Murder?

Get a fucking life.

Defending yourself isn't murder.

Boreas 08-14-2015 12:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zeke (Post 281085)
Murder?

Get a fucking life.

Defending yourself isn't murder.

Right. I forgot. It's not murder when a cop does it. All a cop needs to do is say the magic words.

Rajoo 08-14-2015 01:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boreas (Post 281098)
Right. I forgot. It's not murder when a cop does it. All a cop needs to do is say the magic words.

You are confusing me, I thought a cop needs to articulate. :)

Ike Bana 08-14-2015 08:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by matteos (Post 281030)
His credibility has risen that high?

Oooops. My error. Amends all 'round.

Ike Bana 08-14-2015 08:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zeke (Post 281032)
So, basically, I was right.

It's a legal system, Zeke. Not a justice system. Our legal system generates winners and losers, not justice. Our legal system makes nobody right. Least of all a twisted, sick and wrong guy like you.

Zeke 08-14-2015 04:09 PM

Winners and losers generate themselves.

Folks who place officers in fear of their life are losers and receive plenty of "justice."

Winners are fine with that.

Boreas 08-14-2015 04:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zeke (Post 281138)
Winners and losers generate themselves.

Folks who place officers in fear of their life are losers and receive plenty of "justice."

Winners are fine with that.

What are you?

d-ray657 08-14-2015 06:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zeke (Post 281138)
Winners and losers generate themselves.

Folks who place officers in fear of their life are losers and receive plenty of "justice."

Winners are fine with that.

You have been listening to too much Donald Trump.

Regards,

D-Ray

donquixote99 08-14-2015 06:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by d-ray657 (Post 281143)
You have been listening to too much Donald Trump.

Regards,

D-Ray

Trump and Zeke are both authoritarian personalities. Zeke was out here before this election cycle, though.

d-ray657 08-14-2015 07:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by donquixote99 (Post 281145)
Trump and Zeke are both authoritarian personalities. Zeke was out here before this election cycle, though.

I was talking about the "winners and losers" references. That is a central part of Trump's schtick.

Regards,

D-Ray

djv8ga 08-14-2015 08:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by d-ray657 (Post 281146)
I was talking about the "winners and losers" references. That is a central part of Trump's schtick.

Regards,

D-Ray

That's Obama's schtick. :rolleyes:

Zeke 08-14-2015 08:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boreas (Post 281139)
What are you?

Truth?

Someone who got out of LE because I couldn't live with the idea of being a winner.

My job was to deal with parole violators loose in society. They'll make you a winner to avoid Strike Three, even if it's marijuana possession.

Screw that.

Boreas 08-14-2015 09:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by djv8ga (Post 281148)
That's Obama's schtick. :rolleyes:

Cud yu splain dat to us pore dumm libruls?

Ike Bana 08-14-2015 10:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zeke (Post 281138)
Winners and losers generate themselves.

The context of this exchange between us is the legal system. Winners and losers do not generate themselves in our legal system Zeke. In our legal system financial resources, money, generates winners and losers.

So the rest of your comment is crap, unless your so fucked up as to suggest that if you're rich you're a winner and if you're not rich you're a loser.

donquixote99 08-15-2015 12:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zeke (Post 281149)
Truth?

Someone who got out of LE because I couldn't live with the idea of being a winner.

My job was to deal with parole violators loose in society. They'll make you a winner to avoid Strike Three, even if it's marijuana possession.

Screw that.

I'm sorry, this isn't clear to me, and I do wish to understand what you're saying. In the phrase "They'll make you a winner," who does 'they' refer to, and 'make you a winner,' means, plainly, what?

djv8ga 08-15-2015 10:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boreas (Post 281162)
Cud yu splain dat to us pore dumm libruls?

Nothing to explain if you pay attention. :rolleyes:

Zeke 08-15-2015 01:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by donquixote99 (Post 281166)
I'm sorry, this isn't clear to me, and I do wish to understand what you're saying. In the phrase "They'll make you a winner," who does 'they' refer to, and 'make you a winner,' means, plainly, what?

Folks with warrants, who ARE losers, will make you kill them to avoid custody and a return to prison or otherwise pay for their activities.

Everyone and everything lauds you as a winner for getting it done except the voice in your head.

Zeke 08-15-2015 01:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ike Bana (Post 281163)
The context of this exchange between us is the legal system. Winners and losers do not generate themselves in our legal system Zeke. In our legal system financial resources, money, generates winners and losers.

So the rest of your comment is crap, unless your so fucked up as to suggest that if you're rich you're a winner and if you're not rich you're a loser.

You're just not very smart or an immense apologist which is the same.

$$$ doesn't get you in the legal system, being a loser does.

Don't be a loser? The issue never comes up.


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