Myers-Briggs...
 

In another thread, a couple of members (me included) offered up their results. I found it illuminating in terms of personality, how we see the world and how we respond to each other. I'd be curious as to anyone else's results?

I am a hardcore ENTP, tested many times, and have been referred to as "Mr. Spock" even by those who love me.

Anyone else care to offer any insight about themselves? :D

Ironic. Spock was in MAJOR denial.

Identity is illusion.

Or rather an ongoing puzzle.

Myers Briggs is a worthless load of crap.

http://www.theguardian.com/science/b...t-unscientific

The test could not determine what the hell type personality I have!

The test could not determine what the hell type personality I have!:D

It said I could be several.

Which is interesting because because every time, going back 20 years, I've had to take something similar? I always get (weighted against normative) "you definitely ARE this," meaning whatever their version of Chaotic Neutral is... :cool:

DSM 300.14 :cool:

The DSM of course has an opposite problem from Meyers-Briggs. All the Meyers-Briggs personalities are good; all the DSM ones are bad.

Well all-righty then!!! We'll base our evaluation of the MBTI on Dean Burnette's opinion. He might even still be employed as a neuro-scientist when he's not busy putting out bilge for the Guardian, writing comedy scripts, or doing stand-up.:rolleyes:

Ike, I need to be able to understand your post better in terms of YOUR personality. Could you repeat your MB classification please?

In fact, shouldn't we all get our classifications put up as user titles? So instead of 'Ready' mine would say INAZ (or whatever?)

Well look what we got here. A true believer. What else ya got Ike? Have you checked your biorhythm chart for toady? Howabout your Horoscope?:rolleyes:

Tests. Pfft. At a certain age, you either know who you really are or have learned to live comfortably with the lies you tell yourself.

I have no illusions - I'm prob. a borderline sociopath. I obey the law mostly because it's less trouble that way and I am all about easy.

I'm a Taurus. :)

Virgo. I have it all figured out.

Been diagnosed as suffering from chronic depression with anti-social tendencies.......or something like that. Basically, I'm shy around strangers. I'd rather be alone, or at least, in sparse company. I hate crowds, I need my space.

Not a true believer in such things, but very description of my sign I have read fits me. I am Pisces.

So, where is this Myers-Briggs test? I want to take it.

Those things are written so that anyone can find something that fits.

I can find plenty of shit in the Taurus description that fits.

I can also find plenty of shit that does not apply at all.

Myers Briggs is a lot like that too.

I test out as an INFP.

And sure a lot of the characteristics seem to fit me, but I still think it's basically bullshit.

I got halfway through and it stopped - said my code is STFU.

That's what we were taught in MBTI administration training. No bad types. Or in MBTI terminology, "No type bias."

That does not preclude a mental health professional having a little fun with MBTI type on occasion, lest we have permanently left our sense of humor in our other pants.

And I would also argue with you that all DSM categories are "bad." There are plenty of psychiatrists, psychologists, and clinical counselors who believe that, for instance, dissociative disorders are a reasonable protective response to trauma and resultant PTSD. Many who did not have these conditions would have likely killed themselves years earlier.

But that's just one example. There are plenty more where that came from.

As I said earlier, I'm a trained MBTI administrator and evaluator. Just so's TJ will understand fully just how fucked up I actually am, eh?:p

I have always tested ENTP. Although it's getting close to a decade since my last formal testing. The third letter over is the T-F "preference." Are you "Thinking" or are you "Feeling". Which doesn't mean are you an intellectual nerdlinger or an emotional pile of wreckage. It's the decision making preference. Do you make decisions based on logical and analytical considerations and objective analysis of cause and effect? Or do you make decisions based on interpersonal or social issues and comfort with the decision regardless of it's possible logical conflicts.

There are a number of ways to determine MBTI type. I've done some self-selecting the last few years and I "feel" that my T_F preference has shifted significantly to "Feeling". I might not test that way though but there's more to it than the testing.

MBTI structure is also sometimes used in high profile legal case jury selection, where an MBTI professional is hired by a legal team to run a profile on prospective jurors. Certain questions that indicate the four preferences are typically asked and the type is used by the legal team to find those most receptive to their strategy and, in the case of the defense, the defendant. There are apparently some people very good at identifying type in this setting and have spent years perfecting their system for jury selection. They make a shitload of money. I thought about it for a while but decided on retirement instead.

Long answer. Somewhat typical of a decent ENTP. We are often in the habit of thinking about what we want to say while we're saying it. It's a troublesome aspect of our type. ENFP's do it as well.

The T/F dimension is troublesome, in my non-professional opinion, because I think there's good reason to think the decision-making process is at root emotional.

In other words, everyone's an F, it's just that some people are Ts as well.

Count me an INFP. I've measured INTP, but I know better.

That said, I have major problems sorting all mankind into 16 boxes, and in particular making decisions as to what to do with or to people thereby. Nor do I think it's usually good for people to have a box to call their own, as it were.

Just as an FYI, the predominant type in our culture is ESTJ, the most rare, INFP (the blonde is one of those).

Between T and F...feeling is more common preference about 60-40.

All according to the Myers-Briggs Foundation. BTW - Myers is the daughter, Briggs the mother. And the basis is in Jungian theory of "psychological type".

Oooo...that makes my box a very special box!

^^^ seductive but unhelpful notion, IMHO.

Okay I took it.

INTP-A

Whatever that means.

Just read the description. Sounds about right.

What's the "-A" part mean, Ike?

After taking a few tests for this thread. Getting different results ENFP ENFJ INFJ on the free tests. So feel it is alot of smoke and mirrors, little to gain.

Liken this to Six Sigma (load of crap) and other concepts in use to pigeonhole people, taking the ability of independent thinking or initiative away. Just go to a data sheet to make the decision.



Barney

FWIW ESTJ-A sub grouping GFY. :rolleyes:

From the Sandra Bland thread:

THIS suggests why MB assessment is not always very reliable.

Truth is not the issue. A 'true' judgement is still a judgement.

For example, an Islamist who says a western cartoonist is guilty of blasphemy may be rendering a true judgement, based on the standards of his religion. Or, if you think the standards for blasphemy are different , you may think it a false judgement. But the point, when describing the P/J personality dimension, isn't the truth or falseness. It's the fact of judging, deciding, settling the matter. J-types want to do that, without delay.

P-types prefer to keep the option open, and resist when J's insist that others immediately accept their 'true' decision.

Now, how can people accurately report their personality on a typing assessment when they do judge, but don't recognize what they do as judging?

Beats me. I never heard of an "A" suffix, or any other suffix on an MBTI type. Can you give me the website? I'll take a look.

So you think you're MBTI "Temperament" is NF, eh?

This is how the MBTI Foundation describes NF:
You think that sounds like you don?

The blonde looked around for a long time for as much info as she could get on her NF temperament. Her favorite description is as follows:

The combination of intuition and feeling is the most rare of the temperaments, with a distinct focus on the interpersonal. The problem for NF's is that while they are typically on the lifelong search for the meaning in life, often their frustration is that the search for the meaning in life...is the meaning in life.

Water boiling at 212F or 100C isn't a judgment, it's just true.

I see your point, and it's a good one, but you're interpreting the word "true" incorrectly as it was used.

Our other thread end result was unexpected (like a liquid turning into a gas) but the process was completely linear, predictable and demanded.

Sum? Her culpability just is, as true as replicable science.

That's not judgment, that's math. :cool:

I continue to think the Meyers Briggs descriptions to be too rigid, reflecting an idealized typology more than reality. Moreover, I'm really uneasy about the way people take this stuff to heart. People have a need and desire, an instinct, to find a good story about themselves, something to believe about themselves. They then proceed to believe it, which has effects....

I also note a bit of temperament hierarchy creeping in, in this description of the 'most rare' of temperaments. But flattering the typeholder is a big 'secret' of this scheme's success.

If would be funny to do a parody that does the opposite, like that old list of insulting 'horoscope' descriptions.

(Found it. Just for an example, here's the Virgo one):By the way, to answer your question, no, I don't believe the MB 'NF' really describes me well.

Okay, that's good...

Thanks. I imagine you noticed I expanded my remarks after you posted.

BTW, I renewed my acquaintance with the MB basics a little. Based on this, I'm now OK with thinking the MB typing of 'T' is more me than 'F' would be. I was making the naive mistake of conflating 'feeling' with emotion in general. MB is getting at basing decisions on "objective principles and impersonal facts (Thinking)" vs. "personal concerns and the people involved (Feeling)."

My basic doubts about the usefulness of the whole scheme do remain. So I don't necessarily agree that assigning me a 'T' or and 'F' means I therefore am or should be what MB says about Ts or Fs.

http://www.16personalities.com/free-personality-test

I think it means "assertive".

OK...this is from "16 Personalities". I have no idea who these guys are. There are more and more web outfits offering what I consider to be a cheap and dirty MBTI-"like" screening that can be done really quickly and you get your "type" without a whole lot of effort or time. This test has a 6 choice range for each answer. I found it difficult to decide whether I was small, medium, or large on almost all the questions I looked at before i quit.

The MBTI and Keirsey instruments are called "forced choice" instruments. Each question has only two optional answers and you have to choose the one that fits you "best". Both systems instruct the user that they may skip questions they feel unable to respond to...but it's better if you keep the skipped answers to a minimum and just pick the answer which is "...closer to how you usually think or feel..." which is the language I was instructed to use when administering the MBTI.

The MBTI is 93 questions long and takes considerably longer than 12 minutes. The MBTI is available online at http://www.mbtionline.com/, it costs $49.95.

The Keirsey Temperament Sorter online test is 70 questions long. At http://www.keirsey.com/sorter/register.aspx. It's free.

If you want the most reliable results available you want to take the actual MBTI test or the Keirsey which is probably just as good. If you want a better screening than you got on "16personalities", and don't want to pay for it, take the time to do the Keirsey. The number of questions helps make the result more reliable.

Self-selecting is actually an acceptable way to identify type. But as you found, that T vs F is really about one's preferences in decision making...there is some information provided that is important to know before one can self-select accurately. For instance Judging vs Perceiving has nothing to do with whether one is judgmental or perceptive. It has to do with a preference for wanting more structure and regularity in one's life (J) or preferring to not be locked in to particular patterns and be free to keep one's options open (P).

Of my four preferences the strongest is always the P preference. I'm an exceedingly big "P". I really like them open and available options. The blonde always scores zero in Sensing...she's the only person that I've ever seen in all the MBTI's I've administered that has a 100% Intuition preference in her answers.