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matteos 07-16-2015 01:19 PM

Traitors wave the Confederate flag
 
Honestly. This flag ought to be banned,

There is one flag that represents this Nation. The Stars and Stripes.

Waving a Confederate flag means that you do not believe in this nation.. That you believe in the secession of the South.

I love it how these blowhards get up in arms about some immigrant flying a Mexican flag alongside the Stars and Stripes. Yet they wave the Confederate flag that is not even a flag of a nation, because they were crushed and defeated.

Lets just make flying the Confederate an act of treason and be done with it. Then we can lockup all these idiots that wave it.

So many of this nations problems would be solved by this.

donquixote99 07-16-2015 01:29 PM

It would take a constitutional amendment. The definition of treason that's in there does not include flag-waving.

Basically, you're talking thoughtcrime. You'd hate it if they got to use laws like that, no?

matteos 07-16-2015 02:02 PM

Winning flag

http://www.americancivilwarstory.com..._flag_1861.jpg

Losing flag

https://cbsdallas.files.wordpress.co...0&h=349&crop=1

I'm down to alter the constitution. I mean we did fight a civil war and many people died.

The flag represents secession. It represents the idea that those who wave it wish to either secede or control the country. I don't get why it is just seen as a sign of supporting slavery.

finnbow 07-16-2015 02:07 PM

The rebel flag is a perfectly good way for bigoted rednecks to identify themselves to the rest of society.

hillbilly 07-16-2015 02:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by finnbow (Post 278182)
The rebel flag is a perfectly good way for bigoted rednecks to identify themselves to the rest of society.

Prove it.

hillbilly 07-16-2015 02:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by matteos (Post 278181)
Winning flag

http://www.americancivilwarstory.com..._flag_1861.jpg

Losing flag

https://cbsdallas.files.wordpress.co...0&h=349&crop=1

I'm down to alter the constitution. I mean we did fight a civil war and many people died.

The flag represents secession. It represents the idea that those who wave it wish to either secede or control the country. I don't get why it is just seen as a sign of supporting slavery.

Dude, you'll never change the southern way of life no matter what flag you throw in their faces as right or wrong. And southern folks are not what you think they all are either. And IMO, the great north would be pissing in the wind if the south decided to pull away from the union again.

finnbow 07-16-2015 02:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hillbilly (Post 278183)
Prove it.

No need to. They proven it themselves.

icenine 07-16-2015 02:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by finnbow (Post 278182)
The rebel flag is a perfectly good way for bigoted rednecks to identify themselves to the rest of society.

You have to admit that if you walk by an idiot with that flag on his clothing it does feel like one's IQ goes up by 10 points.

Rajoo 07-16-2015 02:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hillbilly (Post 278184)
Dude, you'll never change the southern way of life no matter what flag you throw in their faces as right or wrong. And southern folks are not what you think they all are either. And IMO, the great north would be pissing in the wind if the south decided to pull away from the union again.

Please. See how many southern states are takers when it comes to distribution of tax revenues by the Feds. And let's not even get into educational standards.

hillbilly 07-16-2015 02:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BeamOn (Post 278187)
Please. See how many southern states are takers when it comes to distribution of tax revenues by the Feds. And let's not even get into educational standards.

Have you ever seen them shoot? My god, even teenage girls kick ass! What's the north got these days?

Boreas 07-16-2015 02:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hillbilly (Post 278184)
Dude, you'll never change the southern way of life no matter what flag you throw in their faces as right or wrong. And southern folks are not what you think they all are either. And IMO, the great north would be pissing in the wind if the south decided to pull away from the union again.

People who revere a flag which was the banner of a rebellion fought to ensure the preservation of their "peculiar institution" are exactly what I think they are.

BlueStreak 07-16-2015 02:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BeamOn (Post 278187)
Please. See how many southern states are takers when it comes to distribution of tax revenues by the Feds. And let's not even get into educational standards.

So long as they have the Bible and the "real" history Grandpa Silas passed on to them with a jar of 'shine in his hand, they got all the learnin's they need. Besides, aint no southun man EVUH took no money from the Yankee govuhmint. He EARNED every penny of those farm subsidies!

:rolleyes:

Dave

merrylander 07-16-2015 02:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hillbilly (Post 278188)
Have you ever seen them shoot? My god, even teenage girls kick ass! What's the north got these days?

Women such as my wife and take my word for it, you really do not want to mess with her.:p

BlueStreak 07-16-2015 02:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boreas (Post 278190)
People who revere a flag which was the banner of a rebellion fought to ensure the preservation of their "peculiar institution" are exactly what I think they are.

Yep. Hateful bigots. Always have been, still are, always will be.

Dave

Boreas 07-16-2015 02:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hillbilly (Post 278188)
Have you ever seen them shoot? My god, even teenage girls kick ass! What's the north got these days?

You have... er... intetesting notions about what constitutes an educated and cultured society. :/

BlueStreak 07-16-2015 02:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by matteos (Post 278181)
Winning flag

http://www.americancivilwarstory.com..._flag_1861.jpg

Losing flag

https://cbsdallas.files.wordpress.co...0&h=349&crop=1

I'm down to alter the constitution. I mean we did fight a civil war and many people died.

The flag represents secession. It represents the idea that those who wave it wish to either secede or control the country. I don't get why it is just seen as a sign of supporting slavery.

It's ALL of those things. It represents raw, unadulterated evil. It's as disgusting a symbol as the Nazi flag.

hillbilly 07-16-2015 02:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlueStreak (Post 278193)
Yep. Hateful bigots. Always have been, still are, always will be.

Dave

You see Dave, this is the reason southern people don't open up to guys like you. Because you label them without knowing them. You for one do not know me. But all this shit does is convince me that perhaps we shouldn't know each other.

donquixote99 07-16-2015 03:03 PM

Identity is the enemy.

donquixote99 07-16-2015 03:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hillbilly (Post 278188)
Have you ever seen them shoot? My god, even teenage girls kick ass! What's the north got these days?

Judging by this thread, the "North," as if there were such a thing, has nothing at all over the "South," as if there were such a thing. Everyone is as mired in illusion and hate as everyone else.

BlueStreak 07-16-2015 03:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hillbilly (Post 278197)
You see Dave, this is the reason southern people don't open up to guys like you. Because you label them without knowing them. You for one do not know me. But all this shit does is convince me that perhaps we shouldn't know each other.

I've lived in the south for 29 years now. It's the fucking truth. Just because YOU refuse to face it, doesn't make it a lie.

Do YOU see?

Fuck that rag. It represents evil. If you were strong enough to face the truth, you would be ASHAMED of it. You SHOULD be ashamed of it.

Having said that; I do not believe in banning it as it is protected speech as loathsome as it may be. In fact, I have as yet to hear of any serious effort to ban it and I suspect all of the hullabaloo is another baseless meme of the right, meant to divide and incite us.

Sad to see YOU and so many others have fallen for it.

hillbilly 07-16-2015 03:15 PM

On my mothers side I had a grandmother and her two brothers that were slaves to German immigrants. My grandmother was forced to bear child by her slaveholder while her same slaveholder also owned her two brothers and they lived a short life because they were forced to pull a plow and were beaten when they would tire. Irish, white as snow they were.


On my dads side, I had a grandfather who himself and all five of his brothers were marched off to fight the union army and he was the only one to survive. If not for him, I wouldn't be here. Perhaps that would make yall happy.

But hell no, I don't tell people they are racist for their flag. If I took a notion to hang one I'd damn very well sure do it if I wanted to so therefor I do not label everyone racist for it.

hillbilly 07-16-2015 03:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlueStreak (Post 278201)
I've lived in the south for 29 years now. It's the fucking truth. Just because YOU refuse to face it, doesn't make it a lie.

Do YOU see?

Fuck that rag. It represents evil. If you were strong enough to face the truth, you would be ASHAMED of it. You SHOULD be ashamed of it.

Having said that; I do not believe in banning it as it is protected speech as loathsome as it may be. In fact, I have as yet to hear of any serious effort to ban it and I suspect all of the hullabaloo is another baseless meme of the right, meant to divide and incite us.

Sad to see YOU and so many others have fallen for it.

Two men should be ashamed of sucking a dick Dave, but I do not stand in their way!

We tolerate a Fucking Hell Of A Lot and still get called everything but worthy goddammit!

BlueStreak 07-16-2015 03:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by donquixote99 (Post 278198)
Identity is the enemy.

Yes, it certainly is. I have enjoyed living in Virginia and plan to continue doing so into the foreseeable future. The only "Southerners" I find obnoxious are the ones who insist upon staying mired in the putrid muck of the past. Fortunately, those types seem to be dying off and good riddance to them. Although this latest turn of events does seem to be fostering a divide once again.

Some turds simply refuse to flush.

BlueStreak 07-16-2015 03:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hillbilly (Post 278203)
Two men should be ashamed of sucking a dick Dave, but I do not stand in their way!

We tolerate a Fucking Hell Of A Lot and still get called everything but worthy goddammit!

Comparing Confederate pride to homosexual fellatio..... You said it, not me. ;)

Oh, I know, I've heard all about how oppressed and abused Southern Whites are. It truly is shocking, the poor victimized dears. Watching the horrors of it truly is heartbreaking. (You have GOT to be joking.:rolleyes:)

hillbilly 07-16-2015 03:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlueStreak (Post 278206)
Comparing Confederate pride to homosexual fellatio..... You said it, not me. ;)

Oh, I know, I've heard all about how oppressed and abused Southern Whites are. It truly is shocking, the poor victimized dears. Watching the horrors of it truly is heartbreaking. (You have GOT to be joking.:rolleyes:)

Joking Dave? Seriously? Just because they were not black they meant nothing?

Well fuck you!

BlueStreak 07-16-2015 03:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hillbilly (Post 278202)
On my mothers side I had a grandmother and her two brothers that were slaves to German immigrants. My grandmother was forced to bear child by her slaveholder while her same slaveholder also owned her two brothers and they lived a short life because they were forced to pull a plow and were beaten when they would tire. Irish, white as snow they were.


On my dads side, I had a grandfather who himself and all five of his brothers were marched off to fight the union army and he was the only one to survive. If not for him, I wouldn't be here. Perhaps that would make yall happy.

But hell no, I don't tell people they are racist for their flag. If I took a notion to hang one I'd damn very well sure do it if I wanted to so therefor I do not label everyone racist for it.

The flag represents the Confederacy. Ever read the Confederate constitution? Those people were all about protecting, preserving and advancing slavery into any territories acquired by the Confederacy into the future. Specifically named is "negroe slavery". There is mention of "....others held in service", that's true. But, "Negroes" were the primary victims of that system. I call that "racism".

Stop handing me this "the flag doesn't represent racism" bullshit. It does. It always has.

It belongs in a museum with all of the other defeated symbols of inhumanity and tyranny.

BlueStreak 07-16-2015 03:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hillbilly (Post 278207)
Joking Dave? Seriously? Just because they were not black they meant nothing?

Well fuck you!

"....are..." Dave. Pay attention to the details. Do you consider yourself a victim of anti-Southern White hatred?

finnbow 07-16-2015 03:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlueStreak (Post 278206)
Oh, I know, I've heard all about how oppressed and abused Southern Whites are. It truly is shocking, the poor victimized dears. Watching the horrors of it truly is heartbreaking. (You have GOT to be joking.:rolleyes:)

A study finds that the majority of Caucasians believe that anti-white racism is a “bigger problem” than what African Americans face...

An astounding 11% of Caucasian respondents assigned the maximum rating of 10 to the seriousness of anti-white discrimination. Compare that with only 2% who reported the same of anti-black racism. Caucasians, the study found, often believe that racial equality is “a zero sum game,” where one group gains at the expense of others.


http://politicalblindspot.com/study-...can-americans/

Pretty amazing stuff. :confused: I suppose when one feeds their mind with Fox News and talk radio, they end up fervently believing some pretty crazy shit.

JJIII 07-16-2015 03:56 PM

Whole lotta mind readin' goin' on heah!:rolleyes:

catswiththum 07-16-2015 03:58 PM

I honestly don't know how any real work gets done any more, what with everyone checking to see what color and what everyone else is doing/thinking/believing.

But maybe that's just us and the rest of the world is whirring away, nose to the grindstone . . . ;)

BlueStreak 07-16-2015 04:00 PM

A woman I grew up with in OHIO, recently told me;

"America is the land of the free........Unless you are White, Republican and Southern."

It's been interesting watching this "White victimhood" garbage evolve. Of course, it is total BS and politically motivated.

BlueStreak 07-16-2015 04:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JJIII (Post 278217)
Whole lotta mind readin' goin' on heah!:rolleyes:

A whole lotta blind emotion going on here too. Some people just can't let go, I guess.

donquixote99 07-16-2015 04:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlueStreak (Post 278201)
I've lived in the south for 29 years now. It's the fucking truth. Just because YOU refuse to face it, doesn't make it a lie.

Do YOU see?

Fuck that rag. It represents evil. If you were strong enough to face the truth, you would be ASHAMED of it. You SHOULD be ashamed of it.

Having said that; I do not believe in banning it as it is protected speech as loathsome as it may be. In fact, I have as yet to hear of any serious effort to ban it and I suspect all of the hullabaloo is another baseless meme of the right, meant to divide and incite us.

Sad to see YOU and so many others have fallen for it.

(emphasis added)

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlueStreak (Post 278221)
A whole lotta blind emotion going on here too. Some people just can't let go, I guess.

Getting angry over a symbol would be an example of a thing one should let go--that's on either side of this fight.

Not that I hold with waving that flag. But as long as it's individuals, not the government, you have to let them. You can't lock them up, much as matteos in a moment of fascist emotion wants to, and you shouldn't hate on them for it.

BlueStreak 07-16-2015 04:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by donquixote99 (Post 278223)
(emphasis added)



Getting angry over a symbol would be an example of a thing one should let go--that's on either side of this fight.

Not that I hold with waving that flag. But as long as it's individuals, not the government, you have to let them. You can't lock them up, much as matteos in a moment of fascist emotion wants to, and you shouldn't hate on them for it.

They can wave it all they want and I can poke at them them all I want. I'm not angry, I find the denial and cognitive dissonance fascinating.

donquixote99 07-16-2015 04:39 PM

Ookie-dokie.

Tom Joad 07-16-2015 04:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by donquixote99 (Post 278231)
Ookie-dokie.

Speaking of Okies, check out these shitheels..........

Now try to tell me that waving the Confederate Flag at the first Black President isn't racist.:rolleyes:

https://gma.yahoo.com/confederate-fl...opstories.html

Quote:

President Obama was greeted by people waving Confederate flags as he arrived at his hotel in Oklahoma City Wednesday night.

In a crowd of several dozen people, about 10 of them waved Confederate flags as the president's motorcade arrived at his hotel.

Tom Joad 07-16-2015 05:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlueStreak (Post 278220)
A woman I grew up with in OHIO, recently told me;

"America is the land of the free........Unless you are White, Republican and Southern."

It's been interesting watching this "White victimhood" garbage evolve. Of course, it is total BS and politically motivated.

It's digusting.

They are only getting their own way 99% of the time instead of 100% and they start whining about reverse discrimination. :rolleyes:

It really makes the whole white race look like spoiled brats.

Pio1980 07-16-2015 05:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by finnbow (Post 278182)
The rebel flag is a perfectly good way for bigoted rednecks to identify themselves to the rest of society.

It's been code for white supremacy for as long as I can remember.

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Pio1980 07-16-2015 05:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hillbilly (Post 278203)
Two men should be ashamed of sucking a dick Dave, but I do not stand in their way!

We tolerate a Fucking Hell Of A Lot and still get called everything but worthy goddammit!

And that is your opinion, why?

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matteos 07-16-2015 05:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hillbilly (Post 278202)
On my mothers side I had a grandmother and her two brothers that were slaves to German immigrants. My grandmother was forced to bear child by her slaveholder while her same slaveholder also owned her two brothers and they lived a short life because they were forced to pull a plow and were beaten when they would tire. Irish, white as snow they were.


On my dads side, I had a grandfather who himself and all five of his brothers were marched off to fight the union army and he was the only one to survive. If not for him, I wouldn't be here. Perhaps that would make yall happy.

But hell no, I don't tell people they are racist for their flag. If I took a notion to hang one I'd damn very well sure do it if I wanted to so therefor I do not label everyone racist for it.

You are the descendant of slaves and yet you speak up for a flag that enslaved your ancestors and would have enslaved you too if not for the North and the victory of the Stars and Stripes.


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