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Boreas 07-10-2015 10:29 PM

Florida woman.............
 
"Post-racial America" comes to Lake County.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/0...n_7756668.html

Ike Bana 07-11-2015 06:50 AM

The 2008 and 2012 Presidential elections notwithstanding...the feeling that this is the real America has never really left me.

JJIII 07-11-2015 06:56 AM

... and here I thought taking that damned flag down in Columbia would stop all this. Guess I was wrong.

Ike Bana 07-11-2015 07:02 AM

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Originally Posted by JJIII (Post 277761)
... and here I thought taking that damned flag down in Columbia would stop all this. Guess I was wrong.

You really thought so? Aw c'mon...guess now you're just bein' provocative, eh?

Interesting reporting though about the crazy white woman. Anybody have a clue what this "dispute" was all about? I've had quite a bit of experience digging through the context of interpersonal disputes...and I've rarely found that participants on both sides couldn't have done something differently either in the activities leading up to the "dispute" or during the "dispute" itself.

JJIII 07-11-2015 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Ike Bana (Post 277762)
You really thought so? Aw c'mon...guess now you're just bein' provocative, eh?

Busted!:)

Interesting reporting though about the crazy white woman. Anybody have a clue what this "dispute" was all about? I've had quite a bit of experience digging through the context of interpersonal disputes...and I've rarely found that participants on both sides couldn't have done something differently either in the activities leading up to the "dispute" or during the "dispute" itself.

It takes two to tango.;)

Ike Bana 07-11-2015 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by JJIII (Post 277766)
It takes two to tango.;)

Indeed.

Rajoo 07-11-2015 09:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JJIII (Post 277766)
It takes two to tango.;)

New rule: Any and every misbehavior in public will be captured and broadcast on social media. ;)

JJIII 07-11-2015 09:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BeamOn (Post 277774)
New rule: Any and every misbehavior in public will be captured and broadcast on social media. ;)

Can you say "Overload"?:D

Tom Joad 07-11-2015 09:46 AM

Being a native Floridian I am very familiar with Lake County and it's history.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groveland_Case

d-ray657 07-11-2015 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by JJIII (Post 277761)
... and here I thought taking that damned flag down in Columbia would stop all this. Guess I was wrong.

The progress from public lynchings by the KKK to where we are today has been a series of steps. We can only hope that the removal of a symbol of racism from public display will be another step of progress.

Regards,

D-Ray

Boreas 07-11-2015 10:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom Joad (Post 277781)
Being a native Floridian I am very familiar with Lake County and it's history.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groveland_Case

Here's another quaint Florida story of racial harmony.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosewood_massacre

nailer 07-12-2015 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by d-ray657 (Post 277790)
The progress from public lynchings by the KKK to where we are today has been a series of steps. We can only hope that the removal of a symbol of racism from public display will be another step of progress.

Regards,

D-Ray

A small step considering the state flags of Mississippi and Georgia.

Tom Joad 07-12-2015 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Boreas (Post 277829)
Here's another quaint Florida story of racial harmony.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosewood_massacre

Plenty more where that came from.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_T._Moore

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On Christmas night, 1951, a bomb went off beneath the house of Moore and his wife in Mims, Florida. It was the Moores' twenty-fifth wedding anniversary. They were fatally injured; Moore died on the way to the hospital in Sanford, Florida. His wife died from her injuries nine days later.

Moore has been called the first martyr in the Civil Rights Movement. He was the first NAACP official murdered in the civil rights struggle. The murders caused a national and international outcry, with protests registered at the United Nations against violence in the South. The NAACP held a huge rally in New York, where the renowned poet Langston Hughes read a poem written in memory of Moore.[6]

The state of Florida called the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) to help with the investigation, but no indictments were brought. There were rumors that McCall was involved in the bombings but no evidence has been found to support that allegation. (In 2005, the Florida Attorney General's office re-opened the case, naming four suspects long involved in KKK activities; see below).

In 1951 eleven other black families in Florida had suffered bombings.[6] The risk to civil rights activists and any blacks in the South was high and continued to be so. According to a later report from the NAACP's Southern Regional Council in Atlanta, the homes of forty black Southern families were bombed during 1951 and 1952. Some, like Harry Moore, were activists whose work exposed them to danger, but most were either people who had refused to bow to racist convention, or were simply "innocent bystanders, unsuspecting victims of random white terrorism."[7

Ike Bana 07-12-2015 01:59 PM

I'm still interested in what's behind the animosity between the neighborhood black kids and this family. Why are they repeatedly confronting each other?

BlueStreak 07-12-2015 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by JJIII (Post 277761)
... and here I thought taking that damned flag down in Columbia would stop all this. Guess I was wrong.

Taking a flag down won't stop much of anything. But, it might teach some folks a lesson about being proud of a shameful past. Not an end all to the problem of racism, to be sure. But, it is a step in the right direction; Putting that rag in it's proper place.....a museum. Where it should have gone and STAYED in 1865.

BlueStreak 07-12-2015 02:45 PM

"Ah, TRADITION
Some argue there is a "tradition" of hate and social intolerance for "other" races that is symbolized by the Confederate Flag. Some say the flag just honors those that gave their lives to continue the tradition of hate that lead to the Civil War. And some argue that slavery and hate had nothing to do with the Civil War but it was about the rights of a state to treat human beings like property if they pleased. I say that the time for reality is long overdue and hate that is expressed overtly or covertly (voting restrictions) is not American and should not be tolerated let alone honored."

^^^I LOVE this comment.^^^

:)

Boreas 07-12-2015 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Ike Bana (Post 277902)
I'm still interested in what's behind the animosity between the neighborhood black kids and this family. Why are they repeatedly confronting each other?

I don't know that it's "repeatedly". As I understand it, the altercation that got the woman arrested was a continuation of an earlier one but we don't know the nature of it. If I had to guess, it would be something like:

#1: What are you %#@*&s doing in this neighborhood? Get the hell back where you belong!

#2: I thought I told you %#@*&s to stay the hell away from here!

More or less like the Texas pool party but split into two parts.

Boreas 07-12-2015 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by JJIII (Post 277761)
... and here I thought taking that damned flag down in Columbia would stop all this. Guess I was wrong.

In the short term, taking the flag down will have its greatest effect in intensifying the sense of grievance that the racists who honor that symbol already feel toward blacks and the libruls who coddle them.

Maybe when they're all dead...........

donquixote99 07-12-2015 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Boreas (Post 277918)
In the short term, taking the flag down will have its greatest effect in intensifying the sense of grievance that the racists who honor that symbol already feel toward blacks and the libruls who coddle them.

Maybe when they're all dead...........

Their sense of victimhood is now ratified by your call for genocide!

BlueStreak 07-12-2015 10:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boreas (Post 277918)
In the short term, taking the flag down will have its greatest effect in intensifying the sense of grievance that the racists who honor that symbol already feel toward blacks and the libruls who coddle them.

Maybe when they're all dead...........

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Originally Posted by donquixote99 (Post 277919)
Their sense of victimhood is now ratified by your call for genocide!

I'm not sure it would be "genocide" if we simply sit back and watch the clock as time and old age act as the avengers.

Dave

Pio1980 07-12-2015 10:16 PM

Looks like Ocala wants to be the racist asshole capital of Florida.

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Ike Bana 07-12-2015 10:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boreas (Post 277917)
I don't know that it's "repeatedly". As I understand it, the altercation that got the woman arrested was a continuation of an earlier one but we don't know the nature of it. If I had to guess, it would be something like:

#1: What are you %#@*&s doing in this neighborhood? Get the hell back where you belong!

#2: I thought I told you %#@*&s to stay the hell away from here!

More or less like the Texas pool party but split into two parts.

Well that's sort of why I'm asking the question. You're still guessing, I'm still guessing, and I can't find anything anywhere about who, and/or what started it. Why would that be?

Tom Joad 07-13-2015 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Pio1980 (Post 277945)
Looks like Ocala wants to be the racist asshole capital of Florida.

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Ocala is a very rednecky place. Always has been.

With the exception of the lower east coast, the keys, some of the Tampa Bay area, and Tallahassee, Florida is just like the rest of the states of the old Confederacy.

donquixote99 07-13-2015 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Ike Bana (Post 277947)
Well that's sort of why I'm asking the question. You're still guessing, I'm still guessing, and I can't find anything anywhere about who, and/or what started it. Why would that be?

Oh. You want the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? From the media?

Ike Bana 07-13-2015 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by donquixote99 (Post 277962)
Oh. You want the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? From the media?

That's not necessary. In this case just a little reportage.
So far it's a story about the bat shit crazy, bat wielding, white harridan Klanswoman threatening the innocent black children who just want to walk the streets in peace.

To be honest, the lack of background, at least anywhere where I've looked on the web, is starting to make me wonder about whether there's any truth to any of the story.

donquixote99 07-13-2015 03:01 PM

They are running with a one-sided story, I'll give you that. They lady seems to have gotten pissed and acted out in a way that fits the 'racists whites victimize blacks' narrative. And we know nothing about what set her off. It's reasonable to guess that there was probably something.

Reminds me of the story years ago of the old guy who yelled at the teens who cut through his yard on the way home from high school. The kids started making a sport of irritating the old coot. He calls the cops, cops do nothing. Eventually he gets so pissed he shoots a kid dead.

The old guy was wrong and did an awful thing, but the kids are not quite innocent lambs. Same is likely true here.

Ike Bana 07-13-2015 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by donquixote99 (Post 277972)
They are running with a one-sided story, I'll give you that. They lady seems to have gotten pissed and acted out in a way that fits the 'racists whites victimize blacks' narrative. And we know nothing about what set her off. It's reasonable to guess that there was probably something.

Reminds me of the story years ago of the old guy who yelled at the teens who cut through his yard on the way home from high school. The kids started making a sport of irritating the old coot. He calls the cops, cops do nothing. Eventually he gets so pissed he shoots a kid dead.

The old guy was wrong and did an awful thing, but the kids are not quite innocent lambs. Same is likely true here.

OK then...you just went and said straight out what I've been hinting around at for two days. You are a brave soul don...where it I who had been so forthright...I would have immediately dove (dived? doven?) under my desk.

I figured when JJIII and I agreed that it "takes two to tango" on Saturday that we would have been hoisted by our own petards (whatever TF that means*) by TJ within hours.



*I just looked it up and it literally means, blown up by one's own bomb. I thought it was like being run up the flagpole by your own boxer shorts ("petard" always had a sort of undergarment sound about it), sorta like a Shakespearean wedgie.

donquixote99 07-13-2015 03:43 PM

Don't make too much of it. I just said the kids aren't innocent lambs. Does not imply they are the spawn of demons or anything. Kids are kids, and can be expected to pull kid shit. We do however expect full responsibility from adults.

Tom Joad 07-13-2015 04:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ike Bana (Post 277973)
by TJ within hours.

You want a piece of me Ike?

I don't recall saying a goddamned thing to you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjQZNkiY7ds

Ike Bana 07-13-2015 05:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom Joad (Post 277975)
You want a piece of me Ike?

I don't recall saying a goddamned thing to you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjQZNkiY7ds

Oh c'mon TJ...leave your sense of humor in your other pants? Step in dogshit this morning?

http://img.pandawhale.com/159217-str...s-gif-9Gpt.gif

You're awfully thin-skinned this afternoon for somebody so quick with a quip.

Ike Bana 07-13-2015 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by donquixote99 (Post 277974)
Don't make too much of it.

Well all-righty then...irony rears it's ugly head.

Quote:

Originally Posted by donquixote99 (Post 277974)
I just said the kids aren't innocent lambs. Does not imply they are the spawn of demons or anything.

Who said it did?

Quote:

Originally Posted by donquixote99 (Post 277974)
Kids are kids, and can be expected to pull kid shit. We do however expect full responsibility from adults.

And you're so insightful. I guess I owe ya.

Rajoo 07-13-2015 05:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ike Bana (Post 277970)
That's not necessary. In this case just a little reportage.
So far it's a story about the bat shit crazy, bat wielding, white harridan Klanswoman threatening the innocent black children who just want to walk the streets in peace.

To be honest, the lack of background, at least anywhere where I've looked on the web, is starting to make me wonder about whether there's any truth to any of the story.

It's in the Orlando Sentinel. Having lived in those parts, the Sentinel is a legit paper. There is even an email address for the reporter if you want to pursue this further.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/...706-story.html

Tom Joad 07-13-2015 06:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ike Bana (Post 277947)
Well that's sort of why I'm asking the question. You're still guessing, I'm still guessing, and I can't find anything anywhere about who, and/or what started it. Why would that be?

I'm sure the punks had it coming.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NelBNtNm8l0

donquixote99 07-13-2015 07:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ike Bana (Post 277981)
Well all-righty then...irony rears it's ugly head.



Who said it did?



And you're so insightful. I guess I owe ya.

What's mine is yours.

Ike Bana 07-13-2015 07:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BeamOn (Post 277984)
It's in the Orlando Sentinel. Having lived in those parts, the Sentinel is a legit paper. There is even an email address for the reporter if you want to pursue this further.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/...706-story.html

I read this story the day it was posted here. The fucking story doesn't say anything. It says the incident started when the husband and the teens got into a dispute earlier in the day. A dispute about what? What was said to who? Who was the aggressor. There's nothing in this story.

Rajoo 07-13-2015 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Ike Bana (Post 277999)
This story doesn't say anything. It says the incident started when the husband and the teens got into a dispute earlier in the day. A dispute about what? What was said to who? Who was the aggressor. There's nothing in this story.

The woman jailed on a $5,000 bond so draw your own conclusions.

Ike Bana 07-13-2015 07:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom Joad (Post 277987)
I'm sure the punks had it coming.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NelBNtNm8l0

And this is what I pretty much expected outta you. Have a question about what the actual circumstances might be in an incident like this and this is the crap you put up.

How do you or I know the woman's kid didn't get roughed up by one of the innocent teen victims of bigotry. How do you or I know if the crazy white woman is simply a bigot Klan wife. You don't know, and I don't know a fucking thing about what this was actually about. The first anybody heard of it was when it became great exclusive smarmy fodder for the Orlando Sentinel and local Tee Vee news...and nobody's telling the whole story. A dispute between the husband and the teens.:rolleyes: WTF does that mean? So far all it means to me we can't make a juicy bigot story out of it. The Orlando Sentinel knows exactly what the dispute was about.

So you go right the fuck ahead and pin it on the crazy white woman. I won't be pinning it on anybody until I get the whole story.

Ike Bana 07-13-2015 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by BeamOn (Post 278000)
The woman jailed on a $5,000 bond so draw your own conclusions.

You can see my conclusions in the post above.

donquixote99 07-13-2015 07:48 PM

She is a crazy white woman. She gets the racial identifier because she earned it with racist comments and actions. She's a discredit to her race.

I agree with you to the limited extent of understanding that what we don't know may mitigate. But she didn't have to go where she did, and she shouldn't have.

Ike Bana 07-13-2015 08:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by donquixote99 (Post 278007)
She is a crazy white woman. She gets the racial identifier because she earned it with racist comments and actions. She's a discredit to her race.

I agree with you to the limited extent of understanding that what we don't know may mitigate. But she didn't have to go where she did, and she shouldn't have.

I have no argument with this. But the longer this story goes without an update, the more suspicious I get.

I remember one time way back in the 70's when the blonde was teaching 4th grade at a west side school in Chicago. One day she broke up a fight between two 6th or 7th grade boys. Forty-five minutes later the mother of one of the kids wandered into the school with (no shit) a revolver in one hand and a half-empty bottle of Cutty in the other looking for "...the white honkey bitch with the skinny legs who put her fuckin' hands on my baby." It was the days before security at public schools. They hid her in the school walk-in safe until the cops got there.

People of all colors react to people of all other colors in all sorts of fucked up ways. I'm not pointing my gnarly finger at anybody until I hear what the "dispute" was all about.


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