Josh Duggar Responds to Child Molestation Allegations
 

Another "Family Values" hypocrite.:rolleyes:

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I didn't even know who this guy was but I sure know who/what the Family Research Council is.

But, all that said, I believe in the possibility of redemption and if Duggar's remorse, contrition and his efforts at making amends were genuine and if he's now trying to lead the best life he can, I don't see any reason to drag all this up again. Apart from anything else, it will likely dredge up painful memories and open old wounds for his victims.

I'm very suspicious of those that wait until after they get caught before they seek redemption.

Well, he was 14, half his lifetime ago, and it's not as if he waited until he had something to lose (TV deals and a high paying job) before taking ownership of his misdeeds.

Do I have suspicions too? Sure, especially about the kind of counseling he received from a guy who's in the can for child pornography. Nevertheless, at this point. I'm prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt.

I see it as part of a pattern with these American Taliban organizations like the Family Research Council.

They seem to attract a lot of creeps.

You could bed right, Tom. I'm just not ready to pass judgment yet.

Pretty much any organization with the term "family" anywhere in the title is going to be a frightwing gay bashing pseudo-Christian political group.

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The FRC is particularly odious which is what you'd expect from any organization founded by James Dobson, Gary Bauer and Tony Perkins.

https://www.yahoo.com/health/the-wor...612235172.html

They had him work construction!

I worked construction a couple of summers when I was in college and as I remember the main topic of conversation on the job was pussy.

I see one overriding principle behind this need to know.

If this MFer ever laid one finger on a daughter or friend's daughter of mine, it would be game on. And BTW, stern talks do not change a multiple repeat pedophile, neither does marriage. He is one all his life, and he most likely will do it again. Come on, his own sisters?

Sick, sick puppy.

ROTFLMAO!!! :eek:






I bet you can't scroll this page without cracking up. :p

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Carl

Thnx for saving me the trouble. Not my family values, thankyouverynot.

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That single one is the tip of the iceburg, it really gets comical looking at him with Huckabee, Palin, etc.


Carl

Never heard of them until this thread, had to look them up. The cover up and official destruction of records is telling.

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I am so tired of scumbag politicians making "exceptions" for their buds and painting it as forgiveness. But, I have to say it; Especially Republicans and most of all the Bible-thumping variety. It grates the fuck out of me how these people behave exactly as those they berate.........but, it's okay when they do it because THEY are "forgiven". Ummmmm, NO, fuck you. If you are going to insist on holding others accountable, then YOU are going to be held accountable. "God" might forgive you, but I'm not forgiving a fucking thing. Have a Blessed Day.

Combining politics with religion is always risky, the more doctrinaire the moreso.

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I have no schadenfreud for the young and isolated JD on this, just pity. The folks that are playing politics with religion otoh, you bet.

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Matthew 22:21

Except that JD's former employer, the Family Research Council, is all about playing politics with religion..... when they're not playing religion with politics.

Advocating an American Christian theocracy, it's not tyranny when WE do it.

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Interesting how this happened to a kid raised in social isolation inside a hermetically sealed ideological bell jar. Who can they blame? Themselves?

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I would agree on the redemption part..........If the politicians standing by his side truly believed in it.

This is all just a political stunt. If Josh Duggan wasn't part of the holy roller republican club, they would have no love or forgivness to show for him.

I'm not buying it.

Dave

Here is a Facebook statement from one seriously mentally ill person. The comments are not surprising at all.
https://www.facebook.com/mikehuckabe...52994543137869


Carl

I have comments on that page and Ted Cruz FB page as well.

I truly have come to despise these people. If it was ANYONE outside the "Religious Right" fold, they would be excoriated, ridiculed and hated. But, Josh is a "Christian", so were all supposed to feel sorry .................FOR HIM.:confused:

Now, do you see why I cannot stand these people?

Dave

I'm fine with religious persons having political representation and free practice that doesn't adversely affect others, but totally disinterested in being compelled to practice anyone else's religion under color of law as an interpretation of selective religious liberty.

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Sweet, d-ray.

Saw his smiling face on People, what a miserable excuse for human being. Now the whole USA knows that his sister(s) and other girls were his victims and will relive the horror while this piece of trash is happy because he thinks God has forgiven him.

Those asswipes will be enjoying their very own 'Willie Horton' moment, I expect. :cool:

Ever worked clinically with an adult male who acted out in this way as a kid? All childhood offenders, do not end up as repeat adult offenders. Most childhood offenders are not repeat adult offenders. At our agency the demographic data collected on these kind of cases indicated that the highest incidence of childhood sibling incestuous activity occurred in large poor white and poor minority families with low education levels. It's an equal opportunity issue. I don't know and you don't know how much of this was childhood sexual experimentation (which goes on everywhere, all the time in liberal democrat families no less than pious christian ones), and how much was coerced or forced. Most cases we reported that were investigated by DCFS were identified as non-coerced childhood sexual experimentation between siblings, much of it same sex activity, and that there were no "offenders" at all. These cases were "not founded" and no action was taken other than to encourage the parents to openly discuss it and intervene with any children who were participating.

If the Duggar case included coercion and threats to "victims" then it did. What I'm not hearing is that there's any evidence that this guy has offended as an adult.

Coerced or not, what I don't like is playing fucking politics with the issue of sibling incest. It's what's going on here and on lots of other "liberal" based forums. It's as low as it gets.The incidence is no less frequent in "liberal" families and I guarantee that any attempt by either side to take the higher political ground on this subject will come back and bite those playing politics with it squarely on the ass.

I think much of the pile-on is taking socio-political schadenfreud where it can be found.
Otherwise, the Jesus weasels aren't reticent about promoting their own "solely correct" piety for political purposes.

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Ike, show and tell experiments as innocent kids are not unexpected. Fondling, touching, and/or digital penetration by a 14 to 16 year old teen visited upon 4 or 5 victims, all of younger age, involves a knowing sexually mature perp preying on innocents. That crosses the Rubicon. Spending a summer putting roofs on houses does not equate to proper sexual counseling that Duggar desperately needs, even now.

There are some very twisted and pressure tempered situations created when children are raised in a hermatically sealed bell jar; all powerful patriarchy and cloistered bunker communities are two of the most immediate traits here.

Like all absolutely "wonderful" social situations, there are the truly wonderful ones, there are a solid majority that are less than advertised but stiil worthy and good, and then there are the ones like the Duggars, the Sandusky Second Mile foundation, and most recent the serial church youth director molester just across the river in St Charles, Missouri. In all three of these situations, the main concern was hiding the molestor, the act, and preserving the marketing face of the family/business, so their reputation would not suffer.

Minimal or no concern for the victims, to boot.

And I don't see the playing politics side of this, because I come down square on getting help for the victims. I say F the political scene, get help for the victims, expose the acts, expose the perp, and let the chips fall where they may with the Duggar family, Penn State and the Second Mile Foundation, and the Christian Church in St. Charles.

I was fortunate to spend some time in Europe in my twenties, and got to witness a fair amount of their lives and cultures. They tend to laugh and snort with derision about our lack of mores when it comes to our insistence on hiding dalliances, lifelong affairs, boobs on beaches, and being comfortable with full nudity. A common belief is that the Puritans succeeded in transplanting their entire belief system regarding sex and the human body across all Americans.

I remember when Mitterand got buried in France; his wife had the seat of honor with her kids adjacent to here, and his mistress immediately next to the family. If that were attempted here in the US, it would be a Donnybrook followed by a second funeral.

Of course there are bad guys. And they include anybody playing politics with the issue of incest. Both sides play politics with important and devastating social issues...and it's a disgrace from either side. You're a progressive dave...I'm a progressive...but any attempt by our side to claim the moral high ground here when we're playing politics with it makes me want to slap the spit outta somebody.

You are right in your following post about what a ridiculous pack of hypocrites we are in this country. The republic was founded on the absolute worst combination of principles...puritanism combined with utopianism. So we're more pure than everybody and it's better here than anywhere. And meantime our European friends look at us as the epitome hypocrisy. Rightly so.

I agree with the moral ground, Ike. I just want the overriding principals of treatment for the victims, identification of the act and perp, and prosecution to be the prioritized acts.

Unfortunately, in many of the cases I have seen, attacking the victims, supporting the perps, and denying the acts are prioritized.

Witness Huckabee standing by Duggar as a staunch Christian man who has been redeemed by God. What about his sisters and friend, are they just chopped liver?

In this case, yes. Supporting them would involve loss of the Duggars' show, and the son's dismissal from his post. There is nothing more toxic in anyone's life than being sexually abused, other than being victimized a second time by a judicial and social service network that is woefully inadequate to help restore the victim's dignity and humanity.

In the Old Testament, the high moral ground often was death or amputation of a hand. Not the most redemptive or the most grace filled path, but most folks would pause and think twice before trangressing.

None of which apparently happened. The victims were never even considered beyond an unsuccessful attempt to lock the girls in their bedroom at night. The only one who got any "help" was the abuser.

And that was provided by an ex-cop currently serving time for child pornography.

Christians.

While condemning Beyonce for her overt sensuality in her music videos.

And ignoring his own son's porno obsession (and budding film career).

http://dailycaller.com/2015/06/04/ex...-raunchy-film/

http://wonkette.com/334963/huckabees...him-some-porno

This entire scene is why I have no tolerance left for what I have come to regard as "pseudo-Christians".

These people seem to hear the sounds but not the music, their feet are moving, but the dance is all wrong. They're listening to Ave Maria and doing the Twist. Christians celebrating greed, avarice and siding with pornographers and pedophiles.

"Yeah, they're perverts and that's disgusting. But, their OUR perverts, so BUZZ OFF! It's only non-Christian perverts that should go to Hell!!! (Or jail.) Amen. Walk with Christ and have a Blessed Day."

All of the above is reasonable, I just need to say, for the final time on this particular story...we need to take caution where we play out politics lest it comes back to bite us on the ass.

Dave they call themselves Christians but that does not make it so.

By their deeds ye shall know them.