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Tom Joad 04-17-2015 10:23 AM

Wal-Mart suddenly closed 5 stores and laid off thousands of workers
 
"Plumbing problems"

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The closures could last up to six months and affect roughly 2,200 workers in Texas, California, Oklahoma, and Florida, CNN Money reports.

Wal-Mart employees say they were completely blindsided by the news, having been notified only a couple hours before the stores closed at 7 p.m. Monday.

"Everybody just panicked and started crying," Venanzi Luna, a manager at a store in Pico Rivera, California, told CNN Money.

All workers will receive paid leave for two months. After that, full-time workers could become eligible for severance, according to CNN Money. But part-time workers will be on their own.

Local officials and employees have questioned Wal-Mart's reasoning for the closures.

According to ABC News, "no plumbing permits have been pulled in any of the five cities where the stores were suddenly closed for at least six months."

A city official in Pico Rivera confirmed to CBS Los Angeles that the city has not received any permit requests for building repairs.

In Midland, Texas, where another store was closed, a city official told ABC News that his plumbing inspector was turned away when he visited the store and offered to help secure construction permits.

Wal-Mart plumbing technician Codi Bauer, who worked at the now shuttered store in Brandon, Florida, questioned the company's time frame for the repairs.

"Even if they had to replace the whole sewer line, it wouldn't take six months to replace a whole sewer line in that store," he told WFLA.

Some employees believe that the stores were closed because of worker protests for higher pay.

Employees of the Pico Rivera store were among the first to hold Black Friday protests in 2012.

"This is the first store that went on strike," an employee told CBS Los Angeles. "This is the first store in demanding changes for Walmart."

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Boreas 04-17-2015 11:00 AM

Wouldn't be the first time Walmart tried to "punish" a store.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/28/bu...ourt-says.html

donquixote99 04-17-2015 11:00 AM

They want hardball, they get hardball.

Nationwide boycott.

merrylander 04-17-2015 11:03 AM

I can't boycott them as I never go into their stores.

donquixote99 04-17-2015 11:04 AM

Get a bumper sticker anyway.

BlueStreak 04-17-2015 11:05 AM

I wonder how many of those Walmart employees are Republicans..............because they're tired of unions oppressing them? I wonder how many of them don't blame the company because ".....they're fighting to protect our jobs.".

I'll say it again; It's sort of like Stockholm Syndrome, taking the side of the terrorist because if you upset him, he'll kill you. It's a trap, designed to keep us on our knees begging for table scraps.

But, they're not going to get it, Tom. Until they are left with nothing.

Dave

Rajoo 04-17-2015 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by donquixote99 (Post 267417)
They want hardball, they get hardball.

Nationwide boycott.

If only we could make that happen. May work in the urban areas but they are too well entrenched in most of the small towns with no other alternative.

I for one refuse to shop there out of principle.

Tom Joad 04-17-2015 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by merrylander (Post 267418)
I can't boycott them as I never go into their stores.

I've cut way back.

But I'm going the rest of the way now.

There is nothing in their stores that I can't either buy somewhere else or do without.

The Walmarts here in Mobile are always busy because there are a lot of poor people here.

But a new Costco is due to open up here in June.

That should put a dent in them.

Rajoo 04-17-2015 12:00 PM

Here is an interesting column on the subject.

No, food stamps aren’t subsidies for McDonald’s and Wal-Mart

I am not sure that I entirely agree. One reader comment caught my eye.
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Cynocephalus
9:44 AM PST
How is that Costco has low prices and pays living wages with benefits but Walmart can not?
Most of the reader comments are quite interesting.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/postev...-mart/?hpid=z3

Wasillaguy 04-17-2015 12:03 PM

I'm gonna definitely boycott those 5 stores they closed.

hillbilly 04-17-2015 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by BlueStreak (Post 267420)
I wonder how many of those Walmart employees are Republicans..............because they're tired of unions oppressing them? I wonder how many of them don't blame the company because ".....they're fighting to protect our jobs.".

I'll say it again; It's sort of like Stockholm Syndrome, taking the side of the terrorist because if you upset him, he'll kill you. It's a trap, designed to keep us on our knees begging for table scraps.

But, they're not going to get it, Tom. Until they are left with nothing.

Dave

It's a good watch, Dave. If you'll actually watch it and listen word for word. I know it's hard to give that much attention to a video at times. But I did this one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kry_VfFSh4

barbara 04-17-2015 12:55 PM

It would be interesting to find out how many stores they are opening......

In my area, there is a Walmart that will be closing down soon. However, they are building a new "super" Walmart right across the street. Employees from the old Walmart will be laid off. Some will be rehired at the new Walmart... Some won't.

Dondilion 04-17-2015 12:59 PM

No Wally here in Brooklyn. Wally tried to get a foot in but failed due to strong opposition from activists and small business people.

CarlV 04-17-2015 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Wasillaguy (Post 267427)
I'm gonna definitely boycott those 5 stores they closed.

After all these years I finally had my "Walmart first time" and went to my local Walmart. The greeter was very pleasant as was the clerk at the pickup window but everything else at that place makes it a safe bet it was also my last time. I especially hate when stockers crowd in front of customers, when I did retail that would have got me fired and rightfully so.


Carl

Dondilion 04-17-2015 01:02 PM

By closing 5 stores Mal-Mart is sending a message to those clamoring for $15/hr and unions.

bobabode 04-17-2015 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Dondilion (Post 267441)
No Wally here in Brooklyn. Wally tried to get a foot in but failed due to strong opposition from activists and small business people.

Good for Brooklyn, Don.

I see you've got a Costco over on 3rd St. Cool! ;)

CarlV 04-17-2015 01:11 PM

I wonder what they would say, other than so what, that their employees qualify for food stamps and often AFDC that we working Americans end up paying for. It sure doesn't make shopping at Walmart inexpensive and that's for sure. I can understand lawmakers not $haking the tree or biting the hand that feeds them, but it is surprising joe sixpack thinks it is just fine to give welfare to Walmart too.


Carl

barbara 04-17-2015 05:58 PM

Walmart isn't the only employer that pays so low that employees qualify for food stamps.

About ten years ago (or so) sheriffs in our county realized they qualified for food stamps. After trying to negotiate better pay and failing..... They all showed up at the welfare office to apply for aid.
Embarrassed the county so bad.... They got their raise.

Oerets 04-17-2015 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by donquixote99 (Post 267417)
They want hardball, they get hardball.

Nationwide boycott.

Been on one since the 90's. We haven't donated a red cent and from the looks of it things will stay that way.

Back then a store was coming in and they made a comment about Unions. That was enough for us.



Barney

BlueStreak 04-18-2015 06:28 AM

I'm thinking that if you aren't paying your people jack, a whole lot of them are on food stamps and the family your company is named after are some of the richest people on earth...........

The whole; "We have no choice. It's the market forces." bit is a sure sign that you are completely full of shit. And maybe you should get your teeth kicked in for being a f**king liar?

Dave

BlueStreak 04-18-2015 06:34 AM

If Americas small business owners in the retail industry had the good commonsense we're told they have, they would support unions that attempt to organize big box retailers like Walmart. Instead, they encourage the very people that are trying to take over their market share. Morons.

Dave

Wasillaguy 04-22-2015 02:15 PM

Look at the bright side- now there are 5 communities ripe for a good liberal entrepreneur to come in and open a discount store and pay his people well, with good benefits. Don't have to worry about competing with Wally World.

bobabode 04-22-2015 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Wasillaguy (Post 267909)
Look at the bright side- now there are 5 communities ripe for a good liberal entrepreneur to come in and open a discount store and pay his people well, with good benefits. Don't have to worry about competing with Wally World.

Breaking out my hip waders...:rolleyes:

Ike Bana 04-22-2015 03:59 PM

"Walmart is falling apart before our eyes."

http://www.fool.com/investing/genera...-our-eyes.aspx

Couldn't happen to a more deserving pack of worker exploiting, anti-union, small town decimating, local economy wrecking, pack of hyenas than the Walton family. So the scumbags move into an area, kill off the competition, crush employee wages into dust which diminishes resident purchasing power, and when it finally depletes whatever is left, it moves on, leaving not even a Walmart where people can buy a loaf of bread and a quart of milk. The Walton family was the model for the alien race of locusts in "Independence Day."

Of course the Walton kids and their progeny will be billionaires for the next 10 generations, so they don't care about their retail empire going down the tubes any more than they care about the quality of life of a bunch of cabbage munching peons.

Wasillaguy 04-22-2015 04:17 PM

Where is this place that one can not buy milk and bread? I will go to there, with milk and maybe some bread, and I will make a fortune!
(Please don't tell anyone else. It's possible another genius might come up with the same brilliant idea I have, and then I would have to compete with them, in the former land of no milk and bread)

nailer 04-22-2015 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Ike Bana (Post 267933)
"Walmart is falling apart before our eyes."

http://www.fool.com/investing/genera...-our-eyes.aspx

Couldn't happen to a more deserving pack of worker exploiting, anti-union, small town decimating, local economy wrecking, pack of hyenas than the Walton family. So the scumbags move into an area, kill off the competition, crush employee wages into dust which diminishes resident purchasing power, and when it finally depletes whatever is left, it moves on, leaving not even a Walmart where people can buy a loaf of bread and a quart of milk. The Walton family was the model for the alien race of locusts in "Independence Day."

Of course the Walton kids and their progeny will be billionaires for the next 10 generations, so they don't care about their retail empire going down the tubes any more than they care about the quality of life of a bunch of cabbage munching peons.

I was talking with another retired old fart in the library the other day, and in conversation's flow I found out that in the last few years many areas have blocked WalMarts, including several Texas rural locales.

bobabode 04-22-2015 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Wasillaguy (Post 267909)
Look at the bright side- now there are 5 communities ripe for a good liberal entrepreneur to come in and open a discount store and pay his people well, with good benefits. Don't have to worry about competing with Wally World.

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Originally Posted by Wasillaguy (Post 267937)
Where is this place that one can not buy milk and bread? I will go to there, with milk and maybe some bread, and I will make a fortune!
(Please don't tell anyone else. It's possible another genius might come up with the same brilliant idea I have, and then I would have to compete with them, in the former land of no milk and bread)

Did you even read the link? These are so called temporary six month closures, ostensibly for plumbing repairs, i.e. retaliatory lockouts to silence employees agitating for a living wage.

edit - It looks like this one is going to the NLRB.

Wasillaguy 04-22-2015 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by bobabode (Post 267943)
Did you even read the link? These are so called temporary six month closures, ostensibly for plumbing repairs, i.e. retaliatory lockouts to silence employees agitating for a living wage.

edit - It looks like this one is going to the NLRB.

Ike says these people have no place to buy milk and bread. In 6 months, they'll all have starved to death if I don't go open my store.
I don't care if Wally World comes back in 6 months, I'll make enough to retire by then.

Boreas 04-22-2015 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by bobabode (Post 267943)
Did you even read the link? These are so called temporary six month closures, ostensibly for plumbing repairs, i.e. retaliatory lockouts to silence employees agitating for a living wage.

But permits haven't been pulled in any of the municipalities where these stores are located and an inspector offering to expedite the repairs for one store was barred entry.

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edit - It looks like this one is going to the NLRB.
As it damn well should. Walmart got their asses handed to them in Canada when they pulled this shit.

Ike Bana 04-23-2015 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Wasillaguy (Post 267947)
Ike says these people have no place to buy milk and bread. In 6 months, they'll all have starved to death if I don't go open my store.
I don't care if Wally World comes back in 6 months, I'll make enough to retire by then.

Walmart's history is one of cruising into a non-urban area, driving any competition out, employing formerly decently employed workers at whatever miserable wage the Republican red state legislature allows them to get away with. The purchasing power of the community is reduced, driving other retailers under, and causing further economic decline. And then when their joint is no longer profitable enough, or wages have crept up to a point where it might be livable...they move on.

The Walton family is scum...and has been scum since they opened the first Walmart in Rogers, Arkansas in 1962.

BlueStreak 04-23-2015 09:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bobabode (Post 267943)
Did you even read the link? These are so called temporary six month closures, ostensibly for plumbing repairs, i.e. retaliatory lockouts to silence employees agitating for a living wage.

edit - It looks like this one is going to the NLRB.

Hopefully the NLRB hasn't become poisoned with conservative corporate suck-ups.

Wasillaguy 04-23-2015 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Ike Bana (Post 268018)
Walmart's history is one of cruising into a non-urban area, driving any competition out, employing formerly decently employed workers at whatever miserable wage the Republican red state legislature allows them to get away with. The purchasing power of the community is reduced, driving other retailers under, and causing further economic decline. And then when their joint is no longer profitable enough, or wages have crept up to a point where it might be livable...they move on.

The Walton family is scum...and has been scum since they opened the first Walmart in Rogers, Arkansas in 1962.

Do you have some credible study that backs up your claim?
This study (covering 40 counties) concludes otherwise-

http://www.dailyyonder.com/does-wal-...009/04/07/2050

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The results? “Despite its kill-them-all reputation, Wal-Mart is not the threat that many fear, at least in terms of economic benchmarks commonly associated with healthy, growing communities,” wrote Fitzgerald and Wirtz.

In communities with new Wal-Marts, employment, earnings and new businesses grew slightly more than in counties without the big blue retailer from Arkansas. Then again, it’s not exactly like having a Wal-Mart was a boon for counties. “Poverty rates, for example, declined in most counties during the period studied, but they declined by less (poverty rates didn't improve as much) in Wal-Mart counties,” wrote Fitzgerald and Wirtz. “By other measures, Wal-Mart had no noticeable effect. Overall, counties with and without Wal-Mart had similar growth in population and income per person.”

It is true that Wal-Mart set up shop in larger rural counties. None of the counties with populations under 10,000 in 1985 had a Wal-Mart by 2005. Generally, the larger the population in the upper rural midwest, the more likely a Wal-Mart would come to town. Those larger counties with Wal-Marts did tend to grow a little bit faster than counties that were without Wal-Marts, but not by much. Similarly, Wal-Mart counties tended to show faster growth in earnings per job and employment.

On the other hand, non-Wal-Mart counties saw a greater increase in total compensation (wages plus benefits). Again, however, the differences between Wal-Mart and non-Wal-Mart rural counties was small.

There wasn’t even that much difference from county to county in the growth of general merchandising establishments. Counties with and without Wal-Marts saw a decline in the number of general merchandise stores. “The presence or absence of Wal-Mart is neither an obvious anchor nor a hot air balloon for business growth in a county,” according to the authors.

Poverty rates in non-Wal-Mart rural counties did decline more than in counties with the retailer. “Counties with supercenters fared better, but poverty in those counties still did not improve as much as in those counties without a Wal-Mart,” according to Firtzgerald and Wirtz.

So.... after studying rural counties over two decades, the Minneapolis Fed researchers conclude that Wal-Mart doesn’t really matter that much to the overall economy of a rural county. Stores open and close — with our without a Wal-Mart around. Some measures of economic success go up with a Wal-Mart while others go down, leading the authors to conclude that “it's probably safest to say that Wal-Mart's net imprint on a county's health appears to be smaller than most perceive.”

Fitzgerald and Wirtz wrote that there are several other factors — education levels, an entrepreneurial culture, good infrastructure — that are far more important to a county’s success than a Wal-Mart. “If that's surprising,” they conclude, “maybe it shouldn't be.”

Zeke 04-23-2015 10:47 PM

Wall*Mart can open and close stores whenever they want.

I don't see the issue.

Oh, sure, it smells but...

nailer 04-24-2015 02:14 AM

...that's American style fascism at work.

Ike Bana 04-24-2015 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Zeke (Post 268106)
Wall*Mart can open and close stores whenever they want.

I don't see the issue.

Oh, sure, it smells but...

For some sick reason, Zeke feels the need to remind everybody that nobody matters but Zeke...(and cops). I suppose it's always good to have at least one closet libertarian on these joints.

Ike Bana 04-24-2015 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Wasillaguy (Post 268051)
Do you have some credible study that backs up your claim?
This study (covering 40 counties) concludes otherwise-

http://www.dailyyonder.com/does-wal-...009/04/07/2050

PFFFFfffffffffttttttttt....

You got your credible study I got mine...

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A study published in 2008 in the Journal of Urban Economics examined about 3,000 Walmart store openings nationally and found that each store caused a net decline of about 150 jobs (as competing retailers downsized and closed) and lowered total wages paid to retail workers.
http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/...ticle-1.140129

https://www.popularresistance.org/ne...local-economy/

Lemme get this next part out of the way...

Was, "Ike's credible studies suck ass."
Ike, "Was' credible study sucks donkey dick."

So it goes on informative web current events forums.

PS - the Walton family are scum along with their "charitable foundation" which has, as far as I can determine, not provided a goddamn penny to anything charitable, but provided the family with a ton of tax benefits.

https://www.indybay.org/uploads/2012...foundation.jpg

Zeke 04-24-2015 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Ike Bana (Post 268113)
For some sick reason, Zeke feels the need to remind everybody that nobody matters but Zeke...(and cops). I suppose it's always good to have at least one closet libertarian on these joints.

So, again, you don't possess any legitimate retort?

I didn't think so.

Idiocy.

Ike Bana 04-24-2015 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Zeke (Post 268125)
So, again, you don't possess any legitimate retort?

I didn't think so.

Idiocy.

Identifying raging hostile narcissism is always among the most legitimate of retorts.

Here comes the legitimate "I'm rubber you're glue" retort.

Zeke 04-24-2015 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Ike Bana (Post 268129)
Identifying raging hostile narcissism is always among the most legitimate of retorts.

And yet I try to be original when bitch slapping you. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Ike Bana (Post 268129)
Here comes the legitimate "I'm rubber you're glue" retort.

The one you just (failed to) use?

donquixote99 04-24-2015 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Zeke (Post 268133)
And yet I try to be original when bitch slapping you. :rolleyes:

To have any desire to 'bitch slap' someone is diagnostic of a criminal personality.


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