The more othododox the religion the more disgusting it is.
 

Now here's a disturbing story. American women forced by their sick fuck religious fanatic parents into arranged marraiges. Many are under age girls.

http://www.npr.org/blogs/goatsandsod...-into-marriage

My suggestion is to listen to the broadcast.

Ike surely you know by now that women are subordinate? Look at the marriage vows "Serve and obey" or what the Church tells them "Women subordinate yourselves to your husbands".

But as George Orwell might have said, "All women are created subservient, but some women are more subservient than others."

Clearly some significantly more than others. This shit is no different from David Koresh having a cue of 14 year old girls waiting to be raped. Handing a 14 year old daughter over to some 40 year old guy to improve your family's "reputation and honor"? I say, fuck your religious freedom if that's how you or any of the various levels of orthodoxy in your religion are going to use it.

Buddha and Jesus and other are crying for their ideas, corrupted by crazy alpha males.

I don't disagree, however there are plenty of mothers, many probably victims themselves, who fall tight in line with this. Some likely conditioned. Others simply passively watching what rolled over them, rolling downhill onto their own daughters. Still others as invested in the reputation and honor bullshit as their abusive husbands.

But the historical corruption of religions like the Islam, Christianity etc. was made exclusively by males. As far as I know.

The Christanity WAS great! If I think of the Ten Commandments or the Sermon of the Mountain - these things belong to the most precious spiritual parts of the heritage of the human race. But then some assholes fucked up and made Christianity a lunatic asylum - headquarter in Rome.

OMG!! I actually agree with Ike on this. In fact, the submissiveness of many women has become so prevalent that many don't even notice that they are being talked down to or expected to be submissive. For example.... A woman allowing others, (even loved ones who claim it is an endearment)to call them demeaning names such as "the little woman" or "the blonde" is acceptance of their inferior position in relationships and their life.

Which is why I always refer to Florence by name and also why there was none of that 'serve and obey' BS in our wedding vows. We made exactly the same vows, only the names were changed.

There is an old Jewish saying;

“God did not create woman from man's head, that he should command her, nor from his feet, that she should be his slave, but rather from his side, that she should be near his heart”

I wanted a friend, a lover, a partner not a female servant.

As far as the blonde is concerned you don't know a fucking thing about the blonde. Including how she would kick my ass, your ass, or anybody else's ass that suggested an endearment she enjoys puts her in an inferior position to anybody.

And OMG you agree with me? I suspect you agree with me quite often, but you have some blip that would somehow cause you to feel it would put you in some sort of inferior position to admit it.

And you mis-state what I believe is the most important point I was attempting to make. To many of these ultra-religious women it's not about submissiveness at all. They are just as invested in the "family honor" bullshit as their husbands, and just as actively participatory in the abuse. Suggesting that they're operating out of some conditioned submissiveness is letting them off the hook for what they fully participate in doing to their daughters. Providing them with any sort of excuse is something I will not do. They are not passively sitting around, privately bemoaning the fate that has befallen their daughters. At the very least it's, "...when I was your age it was my turn, now it's your turn." Yeh...well they're worse than the men in my book.

I think this was a test.

And you flunked.

Bam!:)

If it was a test, you and babs can shove her test up each other's ass. If it wasn't, and barbara was just coming from some belief of hers which I obviously don't agree with, then I apologize to her for sticking her in the same box with a dick like you.

Hook, line, and sinker.....

The fact that Ike is so defensive is quite revealing.... Lol.

You can't maintain your composure for more than a couple of days, can you?

You can't hold off looking for trouble for more than a couple of days, can you? You said yourself...you pick your fights. So quit fucking whining when you get back what you're spewing.

Too easy... :cool:

Calling you on your shit isn't whining. I don't whine, principally because I don't give a fart in a windstorm what you think of me or say about me. Nor should anyone else. You're just a walking talking tantrum.

You think this is gonna get you points with john? He's always pissed off at me because I won't lay down and die behind any of his silly shit. But you...he thinks you're a fucking lunatic.

Points?

I'm merely pointing out reality: making you appear ridiculous is, in fact, "too easy."

Likely because it's your normal state.

You whine like a turbine in a windstorm.

So we don't give a shit in your hat for what we think of each other. You however seem to be the one who can't resist publishing it every couple of days. So your denial is as worthless as your moronic ascension to the behavioral high ground. You're a walking, talking hypocrite. So you don't have to give a fart in a windstorm about this comment either.

Let's see if you don't give a fart in a windstorm enough to just STFU about it.:rolleyes:

You're merely nuts. Likely because lunacy is your normal state.

You took a completely unprovoked run at me. If you would stop being such a goddamn testing and lecturing yenta it would eliminate most of the problems between us. But it's clear nobody ever taught you that testing is destructive.

Why is 'lay down and die' the metaphor you're stuck on for 'backing down one tiny bit in a pissing contest.' You seem to be putting a lot more on the line than called for--especially for someone who claims not to care what others think....

The more othododox the religion the more disgusting it is.
 

For heaven's sake, Ike..... You just make this way too easy with your off the chart, in your face, posts.

My suggestion, which I know you won't heed.... Is to just chill out and try to enjoy what this place has to offer. It sure beats always being on the defense and encouraging trouble. And.... It might save you from making a fool of yourself...... Maybe....

By the way..... I do think that saying things like "the little woman" and " the blonde" is demeaning to women whether the person those comments are directed to takes offense or not. Expecting women to be submissive is so ingrained into the norms of our society that we often don't realize how much and often the expectation is perpetuated while being social acceptable.

I did not start this shit today don.

As far as putting anything on the line goes... this is not my actual life. I'm not putting jack shit on the line when I walk in here. Nobody is.

I did not take a run at anybody in this joint when I started this thread or replied to posts in it. Show me some in your face post I directed at anybody prior to when you came in here looking for trouble with me. Well now you got it. Don't want it? It's easy as pie, barbara. Here's how it works.

barbara: "You're right Ike, I took a completely unprovoked poke in the eye at you. My apologies."

Ike: "Hey no problem barbara, it's not like I haven't been guilty of the same. Have a nice tax day."

The ball is now in your court.

Do you suffer from high blood pressure, Ike??

Ike..... I was speaking in general.... Most of the posts you leave here in this forum are defensive and in your face ... There simply is no denying that.
You came here with a chip on your shoulder and every now and then it gets knocked off...... By a GIRL, no less .... 😉

You have a great day, too, Ike. And try to laugh a little. It's good for your health. 😄

There will be a fifteen yard penalty for piling on. :)

So that's what is bothering you today.
My edict: "Ike will not be admonished for any and all verbal transgressions today". :D

The point, Ike, is your need to attack when someone pokes fun at you.

As I said earlier, Barbara's mention of your use of a term which clearly objectifies your wife, whether you intend to or not, was a test. Perhaps it was deliberate. Perhaps it wasn't but it was a test. It was a test of whether you had the composure, maturity and self-confidence to respond in a thoughtful manner (or maybe just ignore her) or to fly off the handle and launch into one of your trademark tantrums.

107/72 this morning when I went in for the blood draw for my yearly labs. So it appears what I use forums like this for is serving me well, eh?

I ain't buyin' for a nanosecond that yours was a general comment...but OK, I won't belabor it any further. As I attempted to own...it's not like I'm not often guilty of the same. But since you persist in providing personal feedback that I haven't requested, my defensiveness is no more annoying than your lecturing. Do we have this out of the way? Yet?

I actually laugh a lot...and based on the feedback I got from the doc at my yearly Medicare physical last week, my wish would be for your health to be a good as mine.;)

I didn't think so.

Meantime US adult women citizens are suffering as well as underage girls who are being sexually violated by ultra-orthodox religious sects, while their mainstream brethren, along with the government of this country look the other way.

Well stated.

Nevermind then. You can disregard my last reply to you. Lecturing yenta, it is.

Good thing you're amongst friends here, Ike. ;)

Speak for yourself.;)

Wryly intended. :rolleyes:

Just pissing on a fire hydrant. No worries.

Heh, heh. :D