FBI probing possible civil right violations in California videotaped beating
 

http://www.cnn.com/2015/04/10/us/cal...olice-beating/

Here we go again. :mad:

Watch the video below. Dude gets tased, raises hands in surrender then drops face down on the ground and puts his hands behind his back. Then, Ten, count em, TEN cops beat the shit out of him. Check out the first cop that kicks him. Right in the fucking balls while he's lying face down in surrender. :mad:

I think we need a separate forum just for "Police Brutality":mad:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KIKUEjn3Z0

Zeke? ZEEEEEEEEEKE?????????

LOL. Dude isn't gonna have time to participate in any of his own "police work" if he has to keep responding to all of these threads. :D

Why not? Now here is something very very interesting that happened this week in NYC.

Not sure if this will fall under brutality yet, but an NBA Atlanta Hawks player suffered a broken leg from a cop using a baton on him while arresting him for "interfering with a crime scene and resisting arrest". Now the players union and the NBA are working together on an investigation. Now this is big money, powerful union and to make matters worse, the player Thabo Sefolosha is considered a decent guy from Europe and he will be unable to play in the upcoming playoffs. Atlanta is the #1 seed in the East.

And Oh yes, there are one or two civilian videos of this roughing up of Sefolosha (white mother, black father) by the NYPD. Good luck NYPD! :rolleyes:

http://www.sportingnews.com/nba/stor...chris-copeland

You really think Zeke has any actual police work in which to participate?

A cop can break your leg if he feels it's necessary.

Whatever a cop feels justifies whatever a cop does.

I don't know, but he sure acts like it. He's defends the police more than anyone I'm aware of.

According to Zeke, he was some sort of cop but isn't any more. I believe it because, if he were still a cop, we'd be reading about him in the papers.

You know, Sefolosha's lucky as hell. That cop would have been well within his rights to blow him away.

I'm not Zeke but anyway.....

Good shoot! :)


Carl

Well, the guy was a horse thief. The coppers should've castrated him. :rolleyes:

This case is really bizarre, a 73 year old reserve deputy shooting down a fleeing suspect thinking he was using his Taser.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-...412-story.html

Does that sound familiar, Rajoo? That's the Johannes Mehserle defense.

It was bullshit then and I'd be willing to bet it's bullshit now. Cops wear their Tasers on their non-gun hip so that they have to use an unaccustomed hand to draw it. Plus the Taser itself is much larger than their sidearm and looks like a freakin' bumblebee with black and yellow markings all over it. In other words, you don't draw it by mistake and when you point it, there's no mistaking what you've got in your hand.

John

From Tulsa, Police Sgt. Jim Clark:

Slip = suspect running away ?
Capture = Shoot to kill?

This...

'Slip and capture error' is a recognized sort of mental/behavioral error in which an intention to act, due to stress or some other factor, 'slips.' The intention is 'captured' by another habitual behavior pattern. So you intend to do one thing, but you unknowingly do another.

I commit 'slip and capture' errors all the time, in the form of typos. I'll intend to type one word, and I'll type another. But the 'slip and capture error' is now famous in police circles because it was the basis of a partially successful defense in the 'BART shooting' case. The slip there, it is claimed, wasn't typing the wrong word, but shooting the wrong weapon. The officer meant to use his taser, but instead he drew his service pistol and killed the subject with it.

Obviously, such errors occur inside the head, and there is no positive evidence regarding them available. in other words, no one can prove one did happen, and no one can prove one did not. This evidence-free character means that such an error can be alleged in any case by anyone. It is up to a jury to decide how much credence they want to give such claims.

Sgt. Jim Clark either has paranormal insight into what went on inside the head of Reserve Deputy Bates, or he is in 'advocacy' mode when he states so positively that a 'slip and capture' error much have occurred.

Did anyone see the front page article in WaPo about all these uses of excessive force? The cop is rarely found guilty.

Wow! Me too and I never realized that's what was happening. I keep thinking I'm having sex with my wife but it's accidentally with my step-daughter.:rolleyes:

Yep, rarely convicted...and I actually wasted my otherwise precious time and some otherwise useful bandwidth to mention that to Zeke. His reply was that nobody's convicted because it isn't excessive force. Ya learn somthin' every day, eh?

I suppose that could happen under certain conditions. Do all three of you sleep in the same bed?

Since the 'slip and capture' is sort of a falling back on the more habitual behavior, I think it more likely that you meant to have sex with your step-daughter, but slipped and had sex with your wife by mistake.

Me, I type more common words in place of less common ones.

I transposed the numbers of my phone number the other day.

Does that count?

Just my little sarcasm act for the use of the concept of 'slip and capture' as a copper's excuse.

OK, see your point. It is, I think, a too easy all-purpose excuse for the law to recognize.

If you're going to carry a gun and a taser, and you can't keep straight which is in your hand at all times and conditions, you'd better stop carrying one or both.

'slip and capture', 'my life was in danger', 'posed a threat to .....'
At this rate cops don't need lawyers and no wonder these cases seldom go to court.

Because it's rarely excessive.

For example, the pandering in the initial post about the guy "surrendering?" Until you are submitted and in cuffs, you're a threat. (Meaning? Initial poster knows jack shit about such situations.) Multiple times, I've witnessed someone give surrender signals then, once on the ground, do everything in their power to NOT be cuffed. That's NOT surrendering and is what got Rodney King, appropriately, handled with significant force due his actions.

As for slip and capture, it's a pretty neat legal trick -- with plausibility -- especially if you're a Reserve Deputy without the repetition of the daily guys. Further, in an intense situation, mistakes occur.

But in a naturally calm state it would be somewhat difficult to mistake a Taser for a duty weapon. In general, the Taser is half the weight but more front loaded, typically carried lower if on the same side or cross draw weak side, and (what I am familiar with) has a big yellow tip in aiming line of sight.

The ONLY way to sell this defense is to sell panic.

It happens but then you bring everything else you did into question as you cannot panic and be rational at the same time. When it all goes to hell due to an offender? That's where training takes over but a Reserve Deputy just isn't going to possess that level of diligence due to status.

^^^Thus spake Zarathustra.

cops kick handcuffed suspects who are on the ground as a matter of course

this is old as the hills

it's just how arrests are done, at lease out here in NY/NJ

I don't know Zeke. All I can speak to is my experience and cops have a way of doing things that seems fairly universal. Whether it be assaulting a guy for spraying a train because he feels like it (and then tagging the guy with a resisting an arrest charge) or taking turns kicking a cuffed suspect. It's just the norm and your posts are excuses they use when confronted, which they generally are not under lawyer advise. At least that is my honest opinion and experiance.

It's tolerated, see?

take the guns away is the only reasonable ansewer

Guns are merely tools, I don't find this idea offensive: but you're going to need to take them from the population, too.

And you're STILL going to require 2-3% of officers armed for those that refuse to acquiesce to law.

I'm sure it is.

But hopefully that will change.

I figure that now maybe one out of a thousand of these cases are ending up on video. That's better than zero out of a thousand like it always has been in the past. Cops are already starting to feel a little bit of pressure. With more and more video cameras out there that number will grow. Hopefully, eventually, the public will get sick of seeing this and demand change.

Change can happen.

'The way it is' is not permanent.

I could live with this.

Sometimes it is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlRQjzltaMQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFMY4jJ6SVE

If it's ever going to happen in the realm of police misconduct the smartphone is what will set it off. There are obviously fewer flaming cop apologistas, we still have Zeke here and others like him elsewhere on the web. The media has FOX, talk radio, and the government has Louie Gohmert, etc.

But it seems to me it's going to be more and more of this video evidence coming forth. I don't however, anticipate law enforcement shifting their model of purposefully recruiting those with a violent streak anytime soon.

Images can be powerful agents of change.

http://i843.photobucket.com/albums/z...ators_1963.jpg

http://i843.photobucket.com/albums/z...girlmanual.jpg

Plus one. If our cousins in Australia can do it, why can't we?

Australian Police carry guns.

Thats not going to happen in America.

I think the answer is to make police answer to a civilian review board when complaints are made against them.

One that is made up of civilians that actually represent the community.

For example in Ferguson, where 2/3 of the citizens are black, 2/3 of the review board should be black.

Having cops investigate cops is like having the Fox guard the chicken coop.

Of course this idea will make the cops squeal like stuck pigs because it would take away their "Blue Wall" that protects them.