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bobabode 04-07-2015 10:25 PM

The Drought and Water Use in California
 
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/l...407-story.html

Shit just got real out here. 135 water districts will have to cut use by 35%.

djv8ga 04-07-2015 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by bobabode (Post 266227)
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/l...407-story.html

Shit just got real out here. 135 water districts will have to cut use by 35%.

Pretty crazy stuff. There is talk leaking out that some sort of action is going to happen here too. I say start with the golf courses.

Zeke 04-07-2015 10:54 PM

Cut by ~1/3?

That's pretty Draconian, no?

nailer 04-07-2015 10:59 PM

Time to ban the hissing of summer lawns.

bobabode 04-07-2015 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by djv8ga (Post 266232)
Pretty crazy stuff. There is talk leaking out that some sort of action is going to happen here too. I say start with the golf courses.

We've been talking about turf removal with the water district for the last year. They'll pay up to $3.00 per sq. ft. to rip it out and replace with decomposed granite and xeriscaping.

Rajoo 04-08-2015 12:14 AM

We dug up the grass in the backyard last month. Next, we will be digging out the grass from our front yard. At this rate, California should simply outlaw grass as a ground cover.

djv8ga 04-08-2015 06:35 AM

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Originally Posted by BeamOn (Post 266239)
, California should simply outlaw grass as a ground cover.

Phoenix should have done it long ago.

djv8ga 04-08-2015 06:37 AM

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Originally Posted by bobabode (Post 266235)
We've been talking about turf removal with the water district for the last year. They'll pay up to $3.00 per sq. ft. to rip it out and replace with decomposed granite and xeriscaping.

Are many people doing it ?

barbara 04-08-2015 07:29 AM

The Drought and Water Use in California
 
We are putting in some decorative stamped concrete in our backyard. Not covering the whole yard but reducing the amount of lawn space by extending sidewalk and patios.

finnbow 04-08-2015 08:06 AM

Agriculture uses 80% of California's water, yet is not subject to the new restrictions (or so I read). It seems to me that restricting lawn-watering and car-washing is only going to get California so far.

barbara 04-08-2015 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by finnbow (Post 266264)
Agriculture uses 80% of California's water, yet is not subject to the new restrictions (or so I read). It seems to me that restricting lawn-watering and car-washing is only going to get California so far.


That is true but agriculture is big business in California. The valley supplies the fruits and veggies that feed a good portion of the United States. No doubt the farm corporations wielded the political leverage needed to make sure they get the water they need.

On the other hand, I see more WASTED water happening with private individuals. People who water lawns to excess and the water runs off onto sidewalks, people who think their car has to be washed every week end, etc.

nailer 04-08-2015 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by finnbow (Post 266264)
Agriculture uses 80% of California's water, yet is not subject to the new restrictions (or so I read). It seems to me that restricting lawn-watering and car-washing is only going to get California so far.

This should be an effective means to get the predominant water users to implement methods that require less water.

Boreas 04-08-2015 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by finnbow (Post 266264)
Agriculture uses 80% of California's water, yet is not subject to the new restrictions (or so I read). It seems to me that restricting lawn-watering and car-washing is only going to get California so far.

It is. We need to re-think the whole ag business here. Growing water-intensive crops like almonds in the driest parts of the state isn't sustainable on any basis, far less during a mega-drought.

John

Boreas 04-08-2015 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by barbara (Post 266280)
On the other hand, I see more WASTED water happening with private individuals. People who water lawns to excess and the water runs off onto sidewalks, people who think their car has to be washed every week end, etc.

I think you may be confusing incidents of water waste with amount of water wasted.

John

nailer 04-08-2015 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Boreas (Post 266284)
It is. We need to re-think the whole ag business here. Growing water-intensive crops like almonds in the driest parts of the state isn't sustainable on any basis, far less during a mega-drought.

John

An aquifer is in the process of being sucked dry in west Texas to grow cotton.

Boreas 04-08-2015 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by nailer (Post 266288)
An aquifer is in the process of being sucked dry in west Texas to grow cotton.

Same here. A lot of cotton's grown in the San Joaquin Valley.

Same in Arizona, southwest of Phoenix.

Between California and Arizona, the Colorado River peters out before it gets to the Gulf of California.

Stupid.

http://www.livingwilderness.com/lake...iver-delta.jpg

nailer 04-08-2015 10:17 AM

To draw nationwide attention to the water crisis we could start a boycott cotton movement, but it's just too darn comfy!

Pio1980 04-08-2015 10:43 AM

Was a time we sucked down the aquafers to produce a paid-for surplus, which was then dumped. Gotta love the forsight of special interest lobbyists.

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Boreas 04-08-2015 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Pio1980 (Post 266300)
Was a time we sucked down the aquafers to produce a paid-for surplus, which was then dumped. Gotta love the forsight of special interest lobbyists.

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Thanks to satellite technology, we can see something we never could see before: the ground shrinking/subsiding over huge areas as we pump the water out from underneath it.

This whole issue strikes me as a golden opportunity for a brand new kind of denier.

John

nailer 04-08-2015 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Pio1980 (Post 266300)
Was a time we sucked down the aquafers to produce a paid-for surplus, which was then dumped. Gotta love the forsight of special interest lobbyists.

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Science gives us the power to use this water, and equally valuable soil, to fuel our vehicles. :eek: :)

Rajoo 04-08-2015 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by nailer (Post 266296)
To draw nationwide attention to the water crisis we could start a boycott cotton movement, but it's just too darn comfy!

Give Egypt the monopoly on that. They are closer to China anyway. :)

Rajoo 04-08-2015 12:17 PM

I envied Lake Erie and Lake Michigan area residents as I was flying back to CA yesterday from the East coast. And for over ten days, never did have to worry about length of a shower.

Boreas 04-08-2015 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by BeamOn (Post 266332)
I envied Lake Erie and Lake Michigan area residents as I was flying back to CA yesterday from the East coast. And for over ten days, never did have to worry about length of a shower.

Lagunitas Brewing Co., a very good micro-brewer here in Petaluma, just opened their second facility. It's in Chicago, about 2,000 miles from their only other facility.

I thought they did it primarily to gain a presence in markets outside California but it turns out they did it for water. (Beer is ~80% water.)

finnbow 04-08-2015 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by barbara (Post 266280)
That is true but agriculture is big business in California. The valley supplies the fruits and veggies that feed a good portion of the United States. No doubt the farm corporations wielded the political leverage needed to make sure they get the water they need.

On the other hand, I see more WASTED water happening with private individuals. People who water lawns to excess and the water runs off onto sidewalks, people who think their car has to be washed every week end, etc.

From what I've read, California is nowhere near as advanced in terms of the use of drip irrigation as is Israel, for example. California still widely uses sprinklers and flood irrigation rather than the greatly more efficient drip irrigation methods.

http://time.com/3063/california-drought-5-way-to-bust/

barbara 04-08-2015 03:42 PM

More info....

http://m.kcra.com/news/no-more-nice-...sters/32258002

djv8ga 04-08-2015 08:01 PM

At some point the water being saved will need to go to the central valley. The farms cannot & will not continue to drill & spend giant $ in energy when they can lease land in AZ. or elsewhere. Also, the water @ those depths sucks & will continue to worsen. Salty water + drought = dust.

Pio1980 04-09-2015 10:30 AM

I'm going out to visit my bro in Visalia in June, we'll no doubt discuss this along with the other stuff.

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djv8ga 04-12-2015 06:53 PM

Good Grief :(
http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/201...ew-water-park/

bobabode 04-12-2015 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by djv8ga (Post 266830)

Meanwhile in Tempe, Arizona. :rolleyes:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S75tiLqIydw

Boreas 04-12-2015 07:48 PM

Whistling past the graveyard.

djv8ga 04-12-2015 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by bobabode (Post 266839)
Meanwhile in Tempe, Arizona. :rolleyes:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S75tiLqIydw

The Democrat stronghold in the Valley Of The Sun. :p

bobabode 04-12-2015 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by djv8ga (Post 266848)
The Democrat stronghold in the Valley Of The Sun. :p

Democrats in Arizona? :eek: There's hope for you yet DJ. :)

finnbow 04-13-2015 06:07 AM

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Originally Posted by bobabode (Post 266854)
Democrats in Arizona? :eek:

In prison.;)

djv8ga 04-13-2015 06:54 AM

bobabode, I meant no venom toward Ca. I posted the story because of the timing & thought some people might have a problem with it because of the water rationing.
All water parks here will need to be looked at & possibly closed if/when we start rationing water IMO.

bobabode 04-17-2015 12:52 PM

Fire season comes extra early to the Southland.

http://www.latimes.com/local/califor...417-story.html

djv8ga 06-13-2015 09:55 PM

California Farmers Worry Senior Water Rights Cuts In Drought Could Be Devastating - http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2015/...e-devastating/

Pio1980 06-13-2015 10:17 PM

Just out there last week, looked very brown. Pumping down further beyond replenishment is just increasing the aquafer debt, serious budgeting is inescapable at this point regardless of politics or entitlement.

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Boreas 06-13-2015 10:30 PM

Tracy's not far from here (Bay Area), close enough so that people are moving there from San Francisco to get away from the high cost of housing. Tracy has a future after agriculture. The Imperial Valley is another matter and they're really being hit hard by the drought.

BlueStreak 06-13-2015 10:41 PM

Terrible mess out there in California.

BlueStreak 06-13-2015 10:48 PM

Weren't some of Californias most populated areas desert just less than 100 years ago?
It seems inevitable that population growth will eventually outstrip water resources regardless of what anyone does.

If it hasn't already.


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