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noonereal 04-07-2015 07:13 PM

South Carolina Officer Is Charged With Murder in Black Man’s Death
 
Third police kill of black man/child I read about this week.

It's gotta stop.

This is the only one with an actual arrest of the cop.

bobabode 04-07-2015 07:31 PM

:( Just sickening.

Zeke 04-07-2015 08:10 PM

Cribbed from article: The Supreme Court has held that an officer may use deadly force against a fleeing suspect only when there is probable cause that the suspect “poses a significant threat of death or serious physical injury to the officer or others.”

I don't see how anyone COULDN'T believe this guy was a threat. He'd been arrested >10 times (non-violent offenses) and twice for assault and possession of bludgeon???

The only issue I have with this, at face value, is moving the stun gun that the offender took (Took? TOOK??? And bleeding hearts are trying to sell this is an unwarranted shoot? TOOK???) from the officer and carrying it to where he fell along with what appears to be lack of mandated CPR.

1. If you shoot someone, state your case and make your case. CREATING your case looks guilty.

2. Once the situation is under control, give the best medical assistance that you can.

If folks actually "want this to stop?" Folks should stop breaking the law and start acquiescing to arrest. :rolleyes:

But Hell yes (seriously), charge this guy with murder. He falsified a crime scene and didn't live by his shoot in the moment. That's some level of premeditation.

donquixote99 04-07-2015 08:45 PM

The first part of your post, you're groping. The guys arrest record isn't relevant. Possessing a bludgeon? In a country where possessing GUNS is more legal more often every day? If you had him hitting someone with a stick in the past year, that would be another thing. But you sound flippin' ridiculous trying to make a big hairy deal out of 'possessing' a bludgeon TWENTY FOUR years ago.

'Took' the taser he didn't have until the officer doctored the crime scene? Calling people 'bleeding hearts' for believing their eyes and arriving at the obvious conclusion before you do? Attitude check needed here!

Now, is the dead man to blame for not acquiescing, or is he a murder victim? Make up your mind.

Tom Joad 04-07-2015 09:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by donquixote99 (Post 266203)
But you sound flippin' ridiculous trying to make a big hairy deal out of 'possessing' a bludgeon TWENTY FOUR years ago.

Possessing a bludgeon?

I've got a whole fucking utility room and tool shed full of bludgeons.:rolleyes:

icenine 04-07-2015 09:26 PM

Living by the shoot in the moment?

WTF does that mean? You seem to be saying if he did not plant the taser next to the victim all would have been cool?

djv8ga 04-07-2015 09:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom Joad (Post 266206)
Possessing a bludgeon?

I've got a whole fucking utility room and tool shed full of bludgeons.:rolleyes:

I guess we better ban baseball. I can't believe I used to let my son carry that bludgeon to the park. :rolleyes:

merrylander 04-08-2015 08:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zeke (Post 266194)
Cribbed from article: The Supreme Court has held that an officer may use deadly force against a fleeing suspect only when there is probable cause that the suspect “poses a significant threat of death or serious physical injury to the officer or others.”

I don't see how anyone COULDN'T believe this guy was a threat. He'd been arrested >10 times (non-violent offenses) and twice for assault and possession of bludgeon???

And of course the LEO knew about his past record all the while he was in pursuit, give us a break Zeke

Sometimes you let your bias show just a little.:)

Tom Joad 04-08-2015 08:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by merrylander (Post 266268)
Sometimes you leat your bias show just a little.:)

A "little"? :rolleyes:

Ike Bana 04-08-2015 08:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zeke (Post 266194)
Cribbed from article: The Supreme Court has held that an officer may use deadly force against a fleeing suspect only when there is probable cause that the suspect “poses a significant threat of death or serious physical injury to the officer or others.”

I don't see how anyone COULDN'T believe this guy was a threat. He'd been arrested >10 times (non-violent offenses) and twice for assault and possession of bludgeon???

The only issue I have with this, at face value, is moving the stun gun that the offender took (Took? TOOK??? And bleeding hearts are trying to sell this is an unwarranted shoot? TOOK???) from the officer and carrying it to where he fell along with what appears to be lack of mandated CPR.

1. If you shoot someone, state your case and make your case. CREATING your case looks guilty.

2. Once the situation is under control, give the best medical assistance that you can.

If folks actually "want this to stop?" Folks should stop breaking the law and start acquiescing to arrest. :rolleyes:

But Hell yes (seriously), charge this guy with murder. He falsified a crime scene and didn't live by his shoot in the moment. That's some level of premeditation.

I'm going to be as gentle as possible with you here, Zeke. Your attempt at mitigation with this one is just downright silly. The guy was running away and the cop shot him in the back. And the only thing you can see that he did wrong was falsify a crime scene, and by his actions acknowledged that he fucked up in the moment? That's some level of...uh...silliness.

Boreas 04-08-2015 09:49 AM

Apart from the act itself, the most alarming thing about that tape is that the murderer dropped the Taser beside his victim right in front of another cop.

And that cop never came forward. It took a citizen's cell phone video to get the guy when ht should have been that other cop. So much for "upholding the law".

John

Zeke 04-08-2015 10:12 AM

Article itself says the multiple arrest offender "took" the taser. Me? I shoot him RIGHT THERE.

1. Wholly justified.
2. In the moment.

If he's running away and you perceive him to be dangerous to John Q?

3. Gun him down like a dog.
4. Wholly justified, by law.

But you live with that judgment, and its review, giving medical aid. You don't gin it up via planted evidence or lollygag on the triage. That is premeditation and waffling on your argument.

That's the ONLY thing wrong with what occurred, here.

Don't want to get shot? Don't be a convicted criminal who resists arrest.

Pio1980 04-08-2015 10:46 AM

Tho I'm a supporter of, and an advocate of good law enforcement, with posts like this and the one on the woman following protocol to pull over in a lighted populated area, I'm sorry to say that your credibility is exhausted with this adversarial police state mentality.

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Zeke 04-08-2015 11:07 AM

Do you mean the state where convicted criminals are rewarded for resisting arrest?

Ike Bana 04-08-2015 12:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zeke (Post 266310)
Do you mean the state where convicted criminals are rewarded for resisting arrest?

How's about a state where crazed narcissists are regularly identified by their insane black and white thinking?

But keep up the inanity, Zeke. It's mildly entertaining. Meantime, former officer Slager is going away for a long time, pehaps forever. My understanding is also that cops are typically not so popular in prison for much outside of being a "bottom." Particlarly not white cops who shoot unarmed, fleeing black men in the back. Lotsa luck, Mike.

nailer 04-08-2015 12:15 PM

^^^
State of Mind

Zeke 04-08-2015 12:40 PM

A an officer's -- justified -- State of Mind post getting his weapon taken is to protect himself and the community.

Ike is a loon.

Ike Bana 04-08-2015 12:49 PM

I'm still waiting for the first professional member of any branch of law enforcement to be interviewed and not express being horrified by what they Slager doing. And I'm the loon.

donquixote99 04-08-2015 01:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boreas (Post 266287)
Apart from the act itself, the most alarming thing about that tape is that the murderer dropped the Taser beside his victim right in front of another cop.

And that cop never came forward. It took a citizen's cell phone video to get the guy when ht should have been that other cop. So much for "upholding the law".

John

And I was scoffed-at when I mentioned the intent of other officers as the big disconnect in Zeke's logic, when he asserted that no one can get away with 'drop guns' nowadays.

matteos 04-08-2015 01:27 PM

Despicable. Cop deserves the death penalty. Murdering an unarmed man by shooting him 20 feet away in the back.

matteos 04-08-2015 01:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zeke (Post 266294)
Article itself says the multiple arrest offender "took" the taser. Me? I shoot him RIGHT THERE.

1. Wholly justified.
2. In the moment.

If he's running away and you perceive him to be dangerous to John Q?

3. Gun him down like a dog.
4. Wholly justified, by law.

But you live with that judgment, and its review, giving medical aid. You don't gin it up via planted evidence or lollygag on the triage. That is premeditation and waffling on your argument.

That's the ONLY thing wrong with what occurred, here.

Don't want to get shot? Don't be a convicted criminal who resists arrest.

What's it like being a retarded sociopath?

Tom Joad 04-08-2015 01:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zeke (Post 266340)
A an officer's -- justified -- State of Mind post getting his weapon taken is to protect himself and the community.

Ike is a loon.

Personal attack post reported.

Zeke 04-08-2015 03:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by matteos (Post 266350)
What's it like being a retarded sociopath?

Ask the convicted criminal who resisted arrest. :(

donquixote99 04-08-2015 03:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zeke (Post 266366)
Ask the convicted criminal who resisted arrest. :(

Can't. He was murdered by a not-yet-convicted criminal with a badge. Whose crime would NEVER have been detected due to the cover-up by another cop criminal, and there would have been NO prosecution, except for the civilian video publicly disclosed.

Ike Bana 04-08-2015 03:43 PM

OK...here we go...

Racists of America set up a defense fund for Michael Slager:

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2015/04...t-tweetsvideo/

Maybe it's Zeke's of America who set up the defense fund.:rolleyes:

Now for something completely different:
Quote:

Why more diverse police departments won’t put an end to police misconduct.

What’s most relevant for the diversity of police departments is this fact: While black officers are involved in just 10 percent of police shootings, 78 percent of those they kill are black.
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_a..._violence.html

This is why Martese Johnson on his face in the street yelling "You fucking racists!", is bullshit.

donquixote99 04-08-2015 03:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ike Bana (Post 266376)
OK...here we go...

Racists of America set up a defense fund for Michael Slager:

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2015/04...t-tweetsvideo/

Maybe it's Zeke's of America who set up the defense fund.:rolleyes:

Now for something completely different:

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_a..._violence.html

This is why Martese Johnson on his face in the street yelling "You fucking racists!", is bullshit.

Actually, it just means both black cops and white cops are biased against blacks.

Quote:

Correll, J., Park, B., Judd, C.M., & Wittenbrink, B. (2002). The police officer’s dilemma: Using ethnicity to disambiguate potentially threatening individuals. Journal of Personality and Social Psychology, 83(6), 1314-1329.

In this study, the researchers use a videogame to test the affect race has on shoot/don’t shoot decisions when there are African American and White targets holding guns or holding various non-threatening objects. Participants were told to “shoot” the armed targets and “not shoot” unarmed targets. In terms of response time, participants were quicker to shoot the armed African American than the armed White. Conversely the participants were quicker to “not shoot” the unarmed White. The most common errors were shooting the unarmed African American and not-shooting the armed White. All of these results are consistent with a Black-crime implicit bias and this bias was found in both African American and White participants.
emphasis added

http://www.fairimpartialpolicing.com/bias/

Ike Bana 04-08-2015 03:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by donquixote99 (Post 266378)
Actually, it just means both black cops and white cops are biased against blacks.

Exactly Jamelle Bouie's point, and mine. Granted, minority officers only make up about 25% of Americas police officers...but say in a city like Chicago, which is about 50/50 white/minority police officers, Martese Johnson would be just as likely to get his ass whipping from a black officer as a white officer.

Is it about racism, or is it about police misconduct?

Reckon how likely it would be that Martese is on his face in the street screaming "You fucking racist!", if the officer with his knee on the back of Martese's head is a black man.

I'm curious if you read the entire article? The author speaks to the fact that what this is about is the percentage of African Americans in a community, not the percentage of black cops on the police force in that community. Is Jamelle Bouie a self-hating racist?

Tom Joad 04-08-2015 04:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zeke (Post 266294)
Gun him down like a dog.

:rolleyes:

Like I said before in another thread.

Your posts are a prime example of what's wrong with Police culture today.

Zeke 04-08-2015 05:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ike Bana (Post 266380)
Is it about racism, or is it about police misconduct?

Neither.

It's about criminal behavior and entitlement.

Ike Bana 04-08-2015 05:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zeke (Post 266390)
Neither.

It's about criminal behavior and entitlement.

Actually neither.

It's primarily about police misconduct and occasionally about racism.

Zeke 04-08-2015 06:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ike Bana (Post 266392)
Actually neither.

It's primarily about police misconduct and occasionally about racism.

Get a fucking clue.

When even ONE of the folks who forced officers into lethal force endeavors you cry so internally about during the past year doesn't turn out to be a criminal? Then you MIGHT have something.

Idiocy...

Ike Bana 04-08-2015 06:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zeke (Post 266395)
Get a fucking clue.

Idiocy...

Ulnar struck. BWAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAAAAAHAHAH!!!

Zeke 04-08-2015 06:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ike Bana (Post 266398)
Ulnar struck. BWAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAAAAAHAHAH!!!

So really.

Not even ONE? :rolleyes:

nailer 04-08-2015 06:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zeke (Post 266395)
Get a fucking clue.

When even ONE of the folks who forced officers into lethal force endeavors you cry so internally about during the past year doesn't turn out to be a criminal? Then you MIGHT have something.

Idiocy...

Your request is a bit of a Catch 22 given the high percentage of African American males who have been incarcerated.

Ike Bana 04-08-2015 06:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zeke (Post 266400)
So really.

Not even ONE? :rolleyes:

OK Zeke...I was trying to be nice and not make you look like a fool. But you never know when to quit so here you are then.

You set the criteria here's the ONE...John Wrana, 95 year old nursing home resident non-criminal WWII war hero, with dementia who couldn't get 10 feet across his room without a walker, and had his intestines busted open by 4 - 200/MPH lead-shot beanbags.

There's your "even ONE" non-criminal, numbnuts. Of course you won't admit I "MIGHT have something" anyway...because when it's all said and done you will habitually leave any integrity you might once have ever had in your other pants.

You want that crow on a plate or to go?

donquixote99 04-08-2015 06:17 PM

And a criminal's a criminal. Gun 'em all down. Like black dogs.

http://img2-3.timeinc.net/people/i/2...r-rice-435.jpg

Rajoo 04-08-2015 06:34 PM

This leaves an open question, "how does one force an officer into using lethal force?"
Now does the officer tell you something like, "stop or I will kill you?"

Ike Bana 04-08-2015 06:43 PM

PS - regarding the Wrana case. This past February, musclehead officer Craig Taylor was acquitted of criminal charges by a judge who actually decided to accept Taylor's excuse that he was "...in fear for my life.":rolleyes:, from a 95 year old feeble, demented, nursing home resident armed with a kitchen knife and a two foot long shoe horn.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-VopDUwHhmi...5-20140402.jpg
You see this guys head? He's been tossing back more 'roids than Barry Bonds. He makes Bonds look like a pinhead. Nothing like a load of 'roids to generate a little violent emotional instability.


Anyway, the Wrana family will be taking Taylor to federal civil court and I, for one, hope they take this M-F'er for every penny he will ever have.

Zeke 04-08-2015 06:49 PM

Place an officer in fear for his life?

You've just committed a criminal act and get what you deserve.

So, as I said, NOT ONE. (Or do you wish to keep announcing police victories in court?)

Ike Bana 04-08-2015 06:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zeke (Post 266418)
Place an officer in fear for his life?

You've just committed a criminal act and get what you deserve.

So, as I said, NOT ONE. (Or do you wish to keep announcing police victories in court?)

Yeh, sure Craig Taylor was in fear for his life from John Wrana.:rolleyes: If Craig Taylor was really in fear for his life from John Wrana, that's the first reason to fire his pathetic ass from the pathetic Park Forest PD.

But nevermind that. Did mother nature allow you to reproduce?

Ask your shrink about an integrity transplant Zeke. It's your last hope.


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