Reckon if it will be as big a story as Ferguson...
 

Justus Howell 17 died from two gunshot wounds in the back according to the Lake County, IL coroner. He was being pursued by the Zion, IL PD who were called by a neighbor who reported hearing an argument and a gunshot. The cops say a weapon was recovered at the scene. So we'll see where this goes.

So far no street demos, no Jesse Jackson, no nothing beyond stories in the local news. Has anybody outside of the Chicago area even heard about this?

A weapon and a witness.

What's to complain?

From the CBS story on this:

This account is very bare-bones. Need to know more of what the officers knew and saw, and what Howell did. So far the only clear facts are that

1) a weapon was discharged
2) officers arrived
3) Howell was chased and shot in the back

We need more than 1) and 2) to justify 3).

No, you don't.

The above is more than enough, unless you desire for police to wait until an armed individual involved in an argument actively continues to fire a weapon in public instead of fleeing into the night with it so he can do it again... :rolleyes:

Just pondering Zeke...not complaining. I believe I provided a balanced OP. Including pondering the absence of the town of Zion, IL erupting in marches led by pious local religious figures who are utterly disinterested in any publicity, and only want justice and peace.

Extract the jumping cholla from out your ass.

What's the racial makup of Zion? ( I go check...) Hmmm...majority minority. What's the racial makup of the police force?

We can only guess:

http://www.trbimg.com/img-5523386b/t...05/450/450x253

Still different places, different cultures. There may be less of a mood to protest up in Zion.

There is enough only if you assume facts not in evidence.

1. Witness.
2. Argument.
3. Gun.
4. Fleeing.

All in evidence.

Demographically it's an integrated community. It may, or may not be geographically.


White alone - 9,075 (37.1%)
Black alone - 8,151 (33.4%)
Hispanic - 5,672 (23.2%)
Two or more races - 1,186 (4.9%)
Asian alone - 547 (2.2%)
American Indian alone - 66 (0.3%)
Native Hawaiian and Other Pacific Islander alone - 46 (0.2%)
Other race alone - 20 (0.08%)


http://pics.city-data.com/craces2/6481.jpg

http://www.city-data.com/city/Zion-Illinois.html

Can't find any PD demographics.

really? source?

We looked at the same source.
You can take a 'profiled' guess at geographic segregation by looking at the map of household income distribution....

From looking at the photos on the PD facebook page I'll go way out on a limb and guess majority white.



https://www.facebook.com/cityzionpol.../photos_stream

Post #1?

Zion has a weird history. It was originally founded as a "Christian" community by a Christian Apostolic minister named John Alexander Dowie. When I was a kid, my grandfather was a salesman for The Chamberlain Company, selling them newfangled metal storm and screen doors after he lost all his money in the depression. One of his favorite traveling salesman stories was about driving around Zion one day looking for business and being arrested for smoking a cigar within the town limits.

As far as I'm concerned, it's still a pretty weird town.

^^^
Have you been to Zion? I'll pass.

Many times. The Illinois Beach State Park up there is quite nice.

The people of Zion thank you.

Post #1 reports Justus Howell shot in back.

A witness is reported to have heard stuff. This witness cannot, from what we are told, link Justus Howell to anything heard.

A weapon is reported found. No evidence as to who did what, if anything, with the weapon is reported.

Just that may be enough to make it a 'good shoot' for you, but the fact that the cops (apparently) did the shooting would be enough for that, for you.

As I said, bare-bones reporting. You have filled in the gaps with assumptions that seem good to you.

Could have been a drop gun.

Anybody can get one easily at a Gun shows, at least in Florida.

Just go to a so called "private collectors" table and pay in cash, you don't need no background check, no ID, no waiting period, no nuthin. It's the good old "Gunshow loophole".

I've done it myself a time or two.

Or a Grand Jury... (sigh)... :rolleyes:

Oh, please...

A "drop gun?" Are you stuck in the early 1970s?

Meantime I was accused of anti-cop bias in my OP, which I responded to, and which you choose to dodge as you do so often when you're caught out acting the fool. Typical...(sigh)...:rolleyes:

Sounds like you're of the belief that the black folks automatically be the po' folks, eh? I find such assumptions...uh...troubling.

I can go out to the next gun show and get one myself if I wanted to.

Right now, in 2015.

All you need is cash.

I 'spose a drop gun would have been good here.


http://www.sfgate.com/nation/article...#photo-7771217

Carl

You find such assumptions a pretext for trying to start an argument.

I mean, you don't actually expect me to believe you're troubled, do you? At the thought that I might be politically incorrect on the Internet? Please.

Automatic, no. Now how much would you like to bet what 'color' of households will be way predominate on the NW side of Zion? I've got $100 that says that end of town is 80% white or better. Put up or shut up.

Yeah, nobody does that any more.:p

Oh, I dunno. I find that pretty easy to believe. http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/ima...lies/jump3.gif

OK...OK...for christ's sake. You can't see how it might have struck me as a bit odd, particularly coming out of you?

I have no clue what color predominates any side, or corner, of Zion, IL. How the hell do you know anything about the NW side of Zion. Is there actually something on the net about the predominant color of folks on the NW side of Zion? If you've found some such page I'd sure as shit like to see it.

And I already said I doubt the percentages actually indicate the level of integration...so what are you pissing on me for? Because your comment seemed odd to me?

But I'm always up for an argument. It's what my web life is all about.

But you can't plant it.

1. It's subhuman moronically stupid to presume so.
2. There's just no fundamental manner in which to actively get away with it.

Sum?

The very idea shows (not surprising) idiocy.

Fine, I'll stop being defensive. :)

I know what you know. We've looked at the same data, I haven't looked anywhere else. I'm just willing to make inferences, based on this and that*. Like, of course there are black folks with money, but I'm sort of doubting you find so many of them in Zion IL.

I might be wrong, but I think that's the way to bet....


*You did scroll down on the City Data site, and see the household income map, right?

Your assertions do not strike me as self-evident. Why can't you plant it?

Now tell me I'm biologically inferior and of grossly low intelligence.

You can't plant it because modern investigative techniques have grown past the day you could just "drag the body inside" and the like.

If you believe they have not, you ARE biologically inferior with grossly low intelligence.

I did look at the income map. Very interesting tool, indeed.

The techniques are certainly capable of detecting such things in general--if the people responsible want to detect them. THAT little factor is the jagged flaw in your logic.

Look at all the evidence that was never gathered, or destroyed, in the Brown/Wilson case.

To elaborate a little, I suspect the whole reason there is a sizeable minority population in Zion is that it is a very old town, with a central housing stock consisting of houses mostly quite small and over 100 years old. It's poor folks who are attracted by the low rents of such a place.

But the street pattern on the NW side indicated a much more recent housing development. Add the income data to that, and there you are.

Must be a really small park to fit in Zion.

Personal attack post reported.

if the case, this kind of area is a thing of the past. Poor people are being pushed out of all America cities and into suburbs where they can't even get around.

This "push to the suburbs" of the poor is expanding the divide more than ever as there are no services in the suburbs. Folks become stuck in their homes unable to get anywhere.

you didn't really run to mommy did you? Out of context no less. Good grief.

Of course not.

Now that Cops have a license to kill anyone on the lower half of the socioeconomic ladder with impunity who needs to plant a gun?

Unarmed teenager with some stolen cigars?

Kill em!

12 year old kid with a pellet gun?

Kill em!

95 year old dude in a nursing home with what was it? A shoehorn?

Kill em!

Kill em all, let God sort em out!