Religious Freedom Bill in Indiana.
 

I am traveling right now and happen to be in Indiana.
I read in the newspaper that the governor just signed the Religious Freedom Bill which is anti gay legislation.

Seems Indiana has just taken a giant leap backwards.

More about the bill;


http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/...s-freedom-bill

Pence should have followed Jan Brewer's lead and vetoed the bill. :mad:

This will end up wasting time and money in the courts for nothing.

HA! NCAA told them it would happen........

http://fox59.com/2015/03/26/ncaa-sal...ce-signs-rfra/

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports...ghts/70492134/

No more will the come!


Seems discrimination is bad for bizz.....


Barney

Georgia's trying to pass an even worse one but they've run into trouble and tabled the bill. We'll see whether it gets resurrected.

http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2015/0...lorious-death/

John

Bus-tid!!
Should'a tried that in Indiana.

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I read the Georgia bill a few nights ago. As I understood it the heart of it was an assertion that any regulation written to instill neutrality in matters of religious freedom are the same as regulations designed to DAMAGE religious freedom.

To my mind, this would be very bad news. At that rate we might as well just deep six the constitution and go straight to Theocracy, may the most ruthless Inquisitor win.

Dave

You know Goldwater warned of religious tyrants reaching for power in the GOP in 1981.

It looks like they've made some significant strides in the last 34 years.

Dave

We get 'religious freedom,' you don't? That's not freedom, that's the opposite.

To think that Pence is contemplating a run for president.

Makes it pretty clear how bad Mike Pence is. We have a place in a little town in NW Indiana. Over the years there have been times when close to half the members of the resident's association board are gay or lesbian. There's this strip of communities running along the south and southeastern of Lake Michigan from eastern Porter County all the way up to Saugatuk MI, which have been gay and lesbian friendly for decades. The rest of Indiana and most of Michigan might as well be in Kansas.

Good news, #boycottIndiana is trending. The NCAA is threatening to boycott and business leaders from all over the country are exerting pressure on Gov. Pence. ;)

Good! Someone needs to tell the 'thumpers' to keep their noses out of the public realm.

Except Pence can't veto it after he signed it. The legislature has to give him something else to sign before he can do anything.

This goes to the courts now.

So, if a LGBT couple want to stay at a B & B in Indiana and they could be turned away because the owner has some sort of religious objection, how is that any different from the discrimination suffered by Mary and Joseph when they were turned away by an innkeeper on Christmas eve?

Can someone 'splain this to me? :confused:

^^^

IIRC they forgot to make reservations and all the rooms were occupied. :)

Biblical scholar too? ;)

So they say....:rolleyes:

Sure. The guy in Bethlehem was out of room. Your B&B guys are just acting out of fear and loathing.

It is fear and loathing. You can't tell me it says anywhere in the Bible that although everyone sins, 'thou shalt refuse accommodations to certain sorts of sinners.'

The First Commandment says 'Though shalt have no other Gods before Me.' That's the FIRST COMMANDMENT, but I don't hear anyone agitating for the right to exclude, say, Druids or Hindus.

So. The sacred religious right they are protecting is not the right to not want their principles flouted--other sorts of flouting are completely tolerable. It's the right to act out of fear and loathing--in a word, out of hate.

I wonder if governor Pence will be joining the Westboro freaks on a street corner, proudly sporting his "God Hates Fags" t-shirt?

All sorts of scenarios that make this utterly ridiculous. In health care, the anesthesiologist refuses to do his/her job because he has religious objections to the procedure being performed. We already have state licensed pharmacists who don't have to fill prescriptions if they don't feel like it, for certain meds that are used, or even can be used, as birth control. Then we'll have the Christian Scientist pharmacist who won't write any prescriptions at all. Silly? Of course. But this thing...it's fucking nuts. Just do your job, all aspects of the job you're licensed for, or you lose your license.

Pence was interviewed by Stephanopolis on ABC This Week and he went after Pence pretty hard. Yesterday morning FOX's Brett Baier was on a WLS radio talk show and he admitted that Pence "...did not do a very good job...", and that this was the general sentiment around the FOX newsroom.

GOP Indianapolis mayor defies Pence, bans discrimination by Christian businesses receiving city funds.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2015/03/g...ng-city-funds/

Legally this may be the only way to do it. I'm not sure how equal access laws, like to housing and other services work. If the bakery's fanatical Christian owners refuse to bake a cake for Adam and Steve, are they in violation of the law? Is there really any action that can be taken outside of a boycott?

Maybe but it's blatantly unconstitutional. But then so's the Hobby Lobby decision. The SCOTUS showed their ass on that one so they'd probably uphold the Indiana law too.

Meanwhile, in Arkansas.....

John

Abe you should have let them go.

Disgusting conservative dolts.

just awful humans.

Anti-American in spirit.

Off putting.

Arkansas too? WTF?

I need to say there's been a awful lot of focus on Mike Pence about this thing. I've been as guilty as anybody. But I feel it necessary to remind myself and anybody else who might be listening, that the Indiana legislature authored this bill and overwhelmingly passed it before it ever made it to Pence's desk. The voters of Indiana put these people, or those of similar ideology, in office election after election, and I'll betcha a dollar to a donut that a great majority of them, or somebody else just like them, will be voted in to office once again. So...we have all this outrage spewing out of the people of Indiana. Reckon which people they are? Certainly not the majority who I suspect religiously :rolleyes: support their legislature and governor.

Meantime its looking like the state of Indiana will be suffering some significant fiscal consequences for this, and hopefully and rightly so, those consequences will trickle down to the citizens therein as well.

I read somewhere that Dems controlled the Indiana legislature and governor's house ten years ago. Hmmm, what's happened since then? ;)

Democrats have five years to get their shit together and take back these state houses and governorships before the next round of gerrymandering after the next census.

I'm afraid I can't blame what this country has become on gerrymandering anymore. Its a game played superbly by both parties. Its an electorate with enough morons in it that there are districts to be gerrymandered. Its more and more a pluralistic culture in this country and it seems to me that more and more Americans are just flat out revolted by it.

Citing input from Walmart (Head office in Arkansas) LBGT members and his son, Governor Hutchinson said he would veto the bill.

Is this negative reaction to our more pluralistic culture all that surprising? I think progressive liberals were expecting people to change almost as easily as it was to implement the Great American Society and they're upset about it not working out. There's a fight coming because both sides of this blue/red divide are itching for one. When that fight is over most of the country will accept the reality of a four, not three, basic class structure: upper, middle, working and lower. Do the larger working and lower classes have the wherewithal to form there own party in order that their, and not the propertied class, interests hold the high ground?

Quite a bit of libertarian sophistry in there Bob.

Of course it's not surprising. I expect a country full of ignoramuses: who believe that dinosaurs and humans lived together on the planet, who believe that immunizations give children autism, who believe that evolution is a myth, who believe Barack Obama is a muslim...and a carload of other stupid shit, to have a negative reaction to our increasingly pluralistic culture.


Well...you think wrong. Most liberals believe that the American electorate will forever remain the most ridiculous herd of dumbfuckers of all 1st world countries on the planet. Then again, I'm probably giving liberals way too much credit. Anyway, when the nation was founded on the most utterly sick and wrong combination of philosophies imaginable, puritanism and utopianism, we were screwed right out of the gate.

And this is proof enough of what an idiot Mike Pence is after receiving:

The important language in this letter is "sanction or encourage discrimination", since Pence has continuously denied that it sanctions discrimination, but refuses to address the issue of the encouragement of anti-gay behavior which he knows good and goddamn well that it will.

This is just another example of the overall willingness of Republican politicians to inflict harm on their state or country and on the people they're sworn to serve in exchange for political advantage.

There is a political advantage to admitting that you are a barking idiot? Who knew.:):)

You get solid support from the barking idiot voters.

Memories Pizza on Facebook:
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Memor...10391918999261

Memories Pizza on Yelp:
http://www.yelp.com/biz/memories-piz...rton?start=120


Hmmmm:

Memories Pizza -- the first Indiana business to declare it would refuse LGBT business -- got blasted on the Internet and by phone, but the owner says there's been a huge misunderstanding ... sorta.

Kevin O’Connor tells TMZ he's had to temporarily close his business after he told a reporter he would refuse to cater a gay wedding under Indiana's new Religious Freedom Restoration Act. O'Connor says he was immediately flooded by threatening phone calls, and social media postings.

Read more: http://www.tmz.com/2015/04/01/memori...#ixzz3WACKgpK8



:p




Carl

What's going on, and will be for a while, is a lost cause rear guard action. These people have a right to their beliefs and this friction will remain regardless of our laws.

If true, that's not cool at all. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if these were rightwing trolls stirring the pot by threatening harm to this pizza joint on Yelp. I hope the FBI gets to the bottom of this.
Who orders pizza for a wedding anyways. :confused:

Maybe they can get together for a game of bridge, picket Planned Parenthood or something.

http://www.111cakery.com/

I just love the holier than thou types. :)


Carl