Should Obama visit Ferguson?
 

I'm not aware he has yet. A half black, half white president. Very logical, doesn't rely on his emotions. A situation that seems to escalate and seems to be the focus of the nation with similar incidents repeating itself Throughout the country for months . I think he's should go there. There's no one better, in many ways he's the perfect candidate to heal this race fragmentation were currently experiencing. . I'm probably a 70 percent fan of his, which is probably quite high. . He's coming to la this weekend for Jimmy kimmel and a fundraiser. Honestly his time is better spent in Ferguson. That would show real leadership. .. and he won't clog up our freeways... and Jimmy kimmel is so unimportant as well as his fundraiser.

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Obama should not visit Ferguson while in office. There are many more effective things he can do as President than to waste time on a photo op. Besides, the situation has mutated beyond the point where he would be safe.

Nope, I don't think him going there could be anything but a symbolic photo-op. He has plenty other things do deal with and the Republicans and the Fox sheeple are going to bitch whether he does go or not anyway.
I take it you don't think our President needs or deserves any time off?
Good reading:
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Carl

It would all depend on what he did when he got there. This President is so risk-adverse (and not without reason) that he wouldn't go there to make a bold, chancy move. So there's no reason for him to go.

Here's some rightwing stupidity for lunch, Duhmerica's mayor Rudy Ghouliani opined that he wished the President would be more like Bill 'Rufie' Cosby after those two cops were shot in Ferguson. :p

There's not a single positive for the President to appear in Ferguson.

No bigger piece of s*** than Rudy.

Say, Bush was on an extended vacation when Katerina hit. IIRC he cut short to return to Washington which was unnecessary and unneeded, but he did fly right over N.O., even had the plane fly low but did not land or visit for quite some time. Right thing to do or wrong?


Carl

We in the Midwest are used to flyover status. :rolleyes:

Regards,

D-Ray

The Right Wingers will just accuse of black on white racism if he does.

He's black.

The one drop rule still applies in right wing America.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-drop_rule

Besides most black people in America have some white DNA due to the fact that white males were allowed to rape black females with impunity thoughout the history of this country up until about 50 years ago.

Most right wingers expect everyone to get in line and start doing the Electric Slide if a black president shows up in Ferguson, so it is better to allow them the illusion for a while longer.

People are pissed off, and want the yoke of the FPD off their necks. They could care less if Obama comes, they want the FPD gone.

In a word, no.

It'd be a political minefield regardless of intention best avoided.

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Half black/ half white brought up this memory...;)
Yeh, I'm that old.

https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/i...skL3aYpG_oFhFK

The blue man group before color TV?

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Star Trek :)

He is in LA to go on Jimmy Kimmel. That is not a better use of his time.

first thread with 100% consensus here. Lol.

I still think leadership involves tackling crises like this.

If he was white would it be different? Say it were John Kerry who was president?

Everybody's a critic...So what? You aren't some disgruntled golfer who got tee time bumped by Obummer, are you? :rolleyes:

The way I see it is the Kimmel show was a respite from after attending a political fundraiser during a working vacation. A time honored Presidential tradition whether you lean left or right and even more important since the Citizens United ruling and that other recent RW SCOTUS ruling McKutcheon vs. FEC, IIRC.

Even the LATimes was bitching about traffic, big effin' woo. As a LA native I wish three quarters of the assholes who moved her from parts east would pack up their shit and head back to Texas or Louisiana or New Jersey or whatever god forsaken shithole state they came from. ((sarcasm))

He should not go to Ferguson. This is a result of our societal problem deeply ingrained throughout. Little the President can do unless supported by the populace.

The fight for equality is not over, what more proof is needed when you have collage kids who see little need to hide their racists views. Only after the act is then viewed and the outrage do they in an attempt to appease the outcry by apologizing.

With this report a look deep inside all the PD in this country is now needed. My guess this is not an isolated problem but one across the country. The PD in Ferguson got the idea of selected fee's and enforcement from somewhere else be my guess.



Barney

We just had a frat boy at UMD post something so vile about women of all races that they could not even show it on TV.

Can someone tell me exactly what is the usefulness of these fraternities?

Obama shouldn't go there. If Ferguson continues to be a lawless mess, he'll own it despite having nothing to do with it.

They're like High School cliques on steroids.

+1. But he should go to Iran. :D

The President should sponsor an ISIS Crisis Summit in Bagdad.

Reckon should Obama visit the south side and west side of Chicago where perhaps a couple dozen innocent black people, half of whom are children are gunned down by their neighbors in gangbanger crossfire every year. I don't think he has, for this purpose, in 7 years.

And maybe twice a year the Rev's have a "stop the violence" march. No angry widespread street demo's though.

Why? What do you think that would accomplish? What do these photo ops accomplish, really, and where do you draw the line? Do I get all bent out of shape because he didn't come to my neighborhood and not really care that he didn't visit yours?

I never felt the desire to join one...one of the motivations was that membership would open doors later on in the business world i.e. if you go for an interview at a firm and the boss is a member of the same fraternity you were it would help you. Sort of a networking tool.

I mean I remember pledges telling me that. I am sure the beer parties was another factor.

I asked a question and made an observation. But since you've decided that I was making a suggestion...what the hell, maybe we can go sit in the sweatlodge with our pants off and explore together what it might accomplish. If he were to do it, dontcha think it would probably depend on what he might say?

Maybe Obama could come home to Chicago this Spring, set up a big rally in Grant park, walk up to the podium and say..."Why TF are people in Ferguson out in the streets every night when one black kid is killed by one white cop under suspicious circumstances, while here in Chicago dozens of innocent kids are gunned down in gang crossfires and, outside of Father Flager's anti-violence march every year, nobody here seems to give a shit."

Now that would be interesting.

Not really. It's a false equivalency. Cops are supposed to uphold the law. When one doesn't it raises concerns for society which are far different from and more dire than those that arise from a criminal committing a crime.

And could you answer the questions?

Ideally, good policing should ensure a community where crime is uncommon and cooperation and trust prevail.

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False equivalency my ass. Unless you happen to believe that Michael Brown is more dead than Heaven Sutton. Maybe because he was killed by a white cop you think Michael Brown's death was somehow more egregious than 24 kids gunned down in their neighborhoods by their black neighbor gangbangers. Not me. Concerns for society you say? PFFFFffffttt......

Answer the questions??? Far as I know there was only one question. Can I answer that? OK...I'll take a stab at it...no nights of angry street demonstrations over the killings and woundings of black children in Chicago because its gangbangers doing it and its hard to blame white cops? Also to quote Annie Bacon, Jeff Fort's mama, "Not my baby, my baby's a good boy." How we gonna have angry street demo's decrying murderous behavior of hundreds of mama's good baby boys? Darren Wilson makes a much more palatable target for angry street demonstrators, dontcha think... John?

I didn't expect you to agree with me but you're still wrong. There's no equivalency between gangsters doing what we expect them to do and cops doing the opposite of what we pay them to do.

But don't let facts, logic and nuance get in the way of an infantile rant.

And you still haven't answered my questions:

"Why? What do you think that would accomplish? What do these photo ops accomplish, really, and where do you draw the line? Do I get all bent out of shape because he didn't come to my neighborhood and not really care that he didn't visit yours?"

Cops are paid to eradicate the gangsters. :rolleyes:

No, cops are paid to protect the community. I do understand that you see the mission in such narrow terms as you describe since that's where all the "fun" is.

You wish. You'd do it for free. Judge Psycho!

Ditto.

As far as the question(s). Asked and answered. Don't like the answer...tough racoon shit.

But here...maybe this is what you're looking for. It would accomplish nothing. Just like the time we spend at the podium on this forum accomplishes nothing except a few minutes of daily entertainment.

I actually agree. Cops are paid to protect the community from the gangsters. It's the community's job to eradicate the gangsters from the community. It's always the community's job. And so far, the community is doing a piss poor job of it.

Maybe if Obama zipped his spine back in, retrieved his balls from his other pants, walked up to the podium, any podium anywhere, and said that, it would make something happen...but I kinda fuckin' doubt it.

The time spent in this forum accomplishes exactly as much as any other similar level-of-effort spent thinking and then communicating.

And the meaning of 'raccoon shit' that you are applying to it is, by your 'it's all opinion' conception, as invalid as any other made-up meaning, isn't it?