Taxing the rich in Minnesota
 

It works.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/carl-g...b_6737786.html

Maybe he ought to introduce a bill titled "Equal work for women." :rolleyes:

I don't get it.

Everywhere I have ever worked there was one pay scale, not two. Men made no more money than women. In fact, women in higher positions made more money than virtually all of the men, lower on the totem.

So, where is it? Is it an advancement thing, more than a pay thing? I dunno. Maybe I'm missing something?

We've had a politician here complaining that girls are "excluded" from science. They are?
Since when? I went to school in the '70s and there were girls in my science class, in the biology class, higher math.......... There are women to be found in scientific fields throughout recent history............

WTF? Somebody is gonna have to 'esplain this to me.

Dave

Regarding the Gov's job creation talents - I'm under the impression that President Obama created those jobs.

Nice question Dave and I wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole.

That's been my experience too.

In fact white women had it made where I worked.

The DOT got affirmative action points for hiring and promoting them.

To a certain extent yeah, but then look right across the border to Wisconsin and check out how their economy is doing under right winger Walker.

http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/...0000-new-jobs/

When I was in the Data Processing Department at Bell we were 50/50 men/women programmers and the women were damn good at it.

now I am sure this has changed to a degree but when I worked early in life in more physical jobs, women got the same pay but did the light work. If anything it was the men who got the short end.

Good for you, are you from MN? If so, let me recommend a good quality hat.

https://www.google.com/webhp?sourcei...n+hat&tbm=shop

There are millions of places without pay scales....do not assume everyone is getting paid equally for the same work. I think you are assuming every company is like yours or the US military. Remember people negotiate for salaries all the time. And historically women git paid less for the same work.

"The government doesn't create jobs. So, vote for me and as your governor, I will create jobs."

I guess Republican politicians don't see themselves as part of the government?

Dave

This is why the post was phrased as a question. I was not offering an opinion, I was seeking input.

Dave

First off, lets not forget how Unemployment numbers are calculated. It's not really employment based unemployment compensation based. Meaning, once you fall off the book as collecting said insurance, your considered employed. Maybe more accurately, not unemployed.

The majority of the jobs "created" here have been public sector and service/retail related. Many 50 somethings here in MN [like myself] are gainfully under employed again after the shakeup but it's in one of these areas. I consider myself fortunate earning around 65% of my income for the last 10+ years in one of these jobs but I'm certainly not going to get in line to shake his hand. He had nothing to do with it.

Here is a interesting read for ya. You can hardly argue the source either. The "RED" Star and Tribune is about as left leaning as it gets.

http://www.startribune.com/blogs/277231662.html

I personally know dozens of folks around here under 65 who just gave up looking. I wonder how big that category of folks really is.

Come on to MN. I think Orange Julius is hiring.

RC

It would be nice to see jobs figures reported as "full time with benefits" vs "all the rest" and see where the numbers lie. Is an available minimum wage, part time job statistically considered a job? What about the one person that may be holding two or three of those? How does that affect the statistics?

All that data really shows is that the rate of growth is slowing down. That's what happens as you approach full employment. I mean look at NoDak! From 45.1% ten years ago to 3.9% now and nobody would say that the oil boom has hit reverse there.

John

People near "retirement age" ~60-65 and older, have a hard time finding quality employment in any economy. Once we go past our prime years in our 40s and 50s the older we get, the harder it will be. Who doesn't know this?

The real problem is with those entering the work force. The jobs worth having are gone. We outsourced them. Millions of them and replaced them with shit. The complaint I hear from younger folks is that;

A). Even the crappy jobs are hard to get and even harder to hold on to.

B). The fact that we have rid our society of high paying blue collar jobs, in the name of "keeping costs down" means that there is little or nothing to look forward to. Crappy, worthless jobs are all that's left. So, these kids feel stuck with nothing better to move into.

You see, some large and quite fanatical movement of tightfisted assholes have been on a narrow, self-serving crusade to outsource or otherwise eliminate any and every source of employment they think offers workers more than the "market will bear". Gee, I wonder who THAT could be?

I don't blame these kids. I wouldn't do a goddamned thing for you, either. You suck.

Have a great day!

Dave

^^^ Wonder what I did wrong, the last job I held gave me a signing bonus and I was 68.

I thought it was we rather pay out the unemployment money and get nothing in return for it than to put people to work fixing our broken down infrastructure with good paying jobs that would stimulate the economy.


Carl

The former gives the Rs something to bitch about, while the latter would signify a success for the Ds.

John

I haven't looked poked my head into Political Chat for what I believe to be a couple of years now. Just swinging through because of the AK retooling. Just for the record and for those who have forgotten or didn't care to begin with, I'm the guy that has a distinct dislike our current representatives from both the left and right.

Be that as it may, using the term full employment or even approaching full employment is a bit silly based on how these figures are calculated.

Our numbers really kicked ass during the holidays with all the part time and student hiring. Alas, all good things and much ballyhooed employment figures eventually come to an end. This usually happens after the 1st of the new year.

You really have to look at the time frames of the Pawlenty and Dayton policy's then account for the amount of time elapsed to accurately judge the results of each.

Oh and Rob, I received a hiring bonus also that was paid out in my second year. I was happy to get it but hardly viewed it as the sign of a robust hiring economy.

Once again, ladies and gentleman of Political Chat. Have fun pointing fingers and chastising your chosen opposition. Until we meet again, Adios and farewell.

RC

Whether you think it a bit silly or not, when people who are looking for work find it and the rate at which they're finding it exceeds the rate at which new people enter the work force, we are approaching full employment. That's simply a fact and in no way carries the implication that full employment will be achieved or is even achievable.

John

Using the definition used by economists for full employment, it is definitely attainable. ~6% unemployment used to be considered full employment (below which inflationary pressures would be too great). In our new reality, economists haven't settled on what unemployment rate constitutes full employment, but it's more in the range of 4% it seems.

We're at 5.5% now and it hasn't created wage inflation. That's part of what is making the Fed's policymakers' jobs difficult. At what unemployment rate will inflation become an issue and necessitate an interest rate hike? We ain't there yet, it seems.

http://www.investopedia.com/terms/f/fullemployment.asp

Back to the main thrust of the title.

Taxing the rich:

http://america.aljazeera.com/opinion...tea-party.html

The Republican governors are right to be thinking of ditching trickle-down but the people who vote for them don't realize it.

John

True! Many of them vote against their own interest, often being caught up in some manipulated side issues.