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bobabode 02-24-2015 02:44 PM

Alaska Legalizes Mary Jane
 
http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-...224-story.html

New law allows six plants and up to an ounce for recreational use.

Ike Bana 02-24-2015 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by bobabode (Post 261084)
http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-...224-story.html

New law allows six plants and up to an ounce for recreational use.

The movement continues...alas, I am permanently on the wagon.

Rajoo 02-24-2015 05:11 PM

Glad to see it though I never could get used to it and went the liquid route.
Didn't DC vote this in recently also?

bobabode 02-24-2015 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by BeamOn (Post 261100)
Glad to see it though I never could get used to it and went the liquid route.
Didn't DC vote this in recently also?

Yup. Freakin' Redstate Alas-ka goes green while California says no? :confused:

I'm so pissed at our Governor Moonbeam the failed monk, I'm thinking of voting for Gavin Newsom in the next election. ;)

nailer 02-24-2015 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by bobabode (Post 261103)
Yup. Freakin' Redstate Alas-ka goes green while California says no? :confused:

I'm so pissed at our Governor Moonbeam the failed monk, I'm thinking of voting for Gavin Newsom in the next election. ;)

Come to the dark side...

bobabode 02-24-2015 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by nailer (Post 261104)
Come to the dark side...

https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/i...PLx013q_CsrqNY

A chance in hell, not. :rolleyes:

Rajoo 02-24-2015 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by bobabode (Post 261105)

A chance in hell, not. :rolleyes:

Keep raising your eyebrows and eye lashes are going to fall off. :)

Boreas 02-24-2015 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by BeamOn (Post 261100)
Didn't DC vote this in recently also?

Yes, it goes into effect tomorrow.

Also, Maryland decriminalized weed a while ago and are now looking at fully legalizing it.

John

Wasillaguy 02-25-2015 01:32 AM

It's been legal for a very long time, and is very popular.
We didn't need this law. No good comes from commercialization.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...ago-wait-what/

finnbow 02-25-2015 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Boreas (Post 261114)
Yes, it goes into effect tomorrow.

Also, Maryland decriminalized weed a while ago and are now looking at fully legalizing it.

John

Over Congress' dead body. They're threatening to throw the new mayor in jail if she goes forward in any way on pot legalization.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/...9a9_story.html

Boreas 02-25-2015 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by finnbow (Post 261134)
Over Congress' dead body. They're threatening to throw the new mayor in jail if she goes forward in any way on pot legalization.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/...9a9_story.html

Congress can't throw anyone in jail.

John

Ike Bana 02-25-2015 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Wasillaguy (Post 261126)
It's been legal for a very long time, and is very popular.
We didn't need this law. No good comes from commercialization.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...ago-wait-what/

Time to ask you if you're one of them right-wingjob strict constructionist, Constitutional originalist types who think the Constitution is to be taken exactly as it has been given.

Because if you are, you oughta agree that the Harrison Act and every other drug law since was an abomination, since the founders viewed the idea of the government having anything to say about what a citizen decided to put into his or her body as abhorrent.

Wasillaguy 02-25-2015 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Ike Bana (Post 261176)
Time to ask you if you're one of them right-wingjob strict constructionist, Constitutional originalist types who think the Constitution is to be taken exactly as it has been given.

Because if you are, you oughta agree that the Harrison Act and every other drug law since was an abomination, since the founders viewed the idea of the government having anything to say about what a citizen decided to put into his or her body as abhorrent.

I agree completely. The feds should do with all drugs as Alaska did many years ago with pot- decriminalize. That's all. No regulation. And that goes for food too. Get rid of the FDA and the school lunch bullshit and the nutrition labeling and all of it.

Rajoo 02-25-2015 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Wasillaguy (Post 261181)
I agree completely. The feds should do with all drugs as Alaska did many years ago with pot- decriminalize. That's all. No regulation. And that goes for food too. Get rid of the FDA and the school lunch bullshit and the nutrition labeling and all of it.

This I disagree with as this will lead to all sorts of misrepresentation. Example? So called natural remedies and the case in VA (?). No comment on school lunch as I know little about how this is administrated.

Pio1980 02-25-2015 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Wasillaguy (Post 261181)
I agree completely. The feds should do with all drugs as Alaska did many years ago with pot- decriminalize. That's all. No regulation. And that goes for food too. Get rid of the FDA and the school lunch bullshit and the nutrition labeling and all of it.

Has the cheese slipped off your cracker???

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Wasillaguy 02-25-2015 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Pio1980 (Post 261222)
Has the cheese slipped off your cracker???

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Are you referring to the fresh cheese I buy from the farmer down the road for $2/lb or the processed, sodium laden crap the gov has blessed from a huge corporation for $5/lb?

Ike Bana 02-25-2015 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Pio1980 (Post 261222)
Has the cheese slipped off your cracker???

Yeh...really. Even with the government inspections, The Corner Bakery over in Oakbrook tried to kill me and the blonde last fall. I felt like I was detoxing from a heroin habit.

I can see the restaurant business after we get rid of government controls and inspections. It's the "Good Luck Wit Dat Cheeseburger", and the "Take a Chance Texas Chili", "Listeria Lamb Chops", "Garden Salad with Feta and eColi". Yikes.

Wasillaguy 02-25-2015 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Ike Bana (Post 261235)
Yeh...really. Even with the government inspections, The Corner Bakery over in Oakbrook tried to kill me and the blonde last fall. I felt like I was detoxing from a heroin habit.

I can see the restaurant business after we get rid of government controls and inspections. It's the "Good Luck Wit Dat Cheeseburger", and the "Take a Chance Texas Chili", "Listeria Lamb Chops", "Garden Salad with Feta and eColi". Yikes.

Ike, you just got done saying the gov should not have shit to say about what we put in our bodies. Now you want them to dictate who can sell you what? Please make up your mind.
We have no restaurant inspections here in beautiful Wasilla, and yet the rate of food poisoning has not skyrocketed. Weird huh?

bobabode 02-25-2015 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Wasillaguy (Post 261229)
Are you referring to the fresh cheese I buy from the farmer down the road for $2/lb or the processed, sodium laden crap the gov has blessed from a huge corporation for $5/lb?

The Palin's are in the cheese bizness? I thot they ran a snow machine franchise? :rolleyes:

Pio1980 02-25-2015 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Wasillaguy (Post 261181)
I agree completely. The feds should do with all drugs as Alaska did many years ago with pot- decriminalize. That's all. No regulation. And that goes for food too. Get rid of the FDA and the school lunch bullshit and the nutrition labeling and all of it.

Are you an idiot in real life or do you just play one here with postings like this.
I decided I could never be a Libertarian when it became obvious that they think that profit driven enterprize would self-regulate for the good of the public and their employees without meaningful oversight or enforceable standards.
Regulation exists because the greedy bullies can't play nice without an incorruptable grownup in the room to make and enforce the rules of behavior. If you can't understand that then you are dangerously delusional.

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Wasillaguy 02-25-2015 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Pio1980 (Post 261253)
Are you an idiot in real life or do you just play one here with postings like this.
I decided I could never be a Libertarian when it became obvious that they think that profit driven enterprize would self-regulate for the good of the public and their employees without meaningful oversight or enforceable standards.
Regulation exists because the greedy bullies can't play nice without an incorruptable grownup in the room to make and enforce the rules of behavior. If you can't understand that then you are dangerously delusional.

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Dangerously delusional is believing in "incorruptable grownups"

Boreas 02-25-2015 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Wasillaguy (Post 261256)
Dangerously delusional is believing in "incorruptable grow ups"

Which fact shoots a hole in both your theories. Still, with sensible regulation, there's the hope that some of the grownups among both the regulators and the regulated will behave themselves some of the time. Without regulations, though, we'll live in the world of Dagny Taggart.

John

Pio1980 02-25-2015 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Wasillaguy (Post 261256)
Dangerously delusional is believing in "incorruptable grownups"

The ones who vote for those who manage oversight? Probably some truth there, I live in a red State that (re)-elected a moron to chief justice.
Still, I'd like to have some effective say in how my food and medication is QC'ed rather than trusting the lawyered-up for-profit commercial system to sort it out via body count after the fact, as in the days before the FDA.

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Pio1980 02-25-2015 06:34 PM

I feel kinda bad about slamming our Northern colleague, but I am flummoxed by unawareness of how we got to where we are with the FDA, as if there are no overarching historical precedents that made it's establishment an absolute necessity.

Wasillaguy 02-25-2015 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Pio1980 (Post 261260)
I feel kinda bad about slamming our Northern colleague, but I am flummoxed by unawareness of how we got to where we are with the FDA, as if there are no overarching historical precedents that made it's establishment an absolute necessity.

Please don't beat yourself up about how you treat me my friend, I assure you my tolerance for scorn is sufficient to weather what comes.
I am not ignorant of the history. I read Sinclair in school, as most of us did, I'm sure.
Today the FDA is a corrupt, stinking behemoth deep in bed with big pharma and big food, no different than the MIC.
For decades, many other countries around the world have saved themselves billions by simply emulating U.S. standards. Why don't we adopt the same policy for food safety that we are taking in foreign affairs and just stop leading?
Defund the FDA and we'll just follow the lead of other prominent nations. We'll lead from behind.

Pio1980 02-25-2015 07:57 PM

At least you have a plan. I still don't trust folks that have proven themselves untrustworthy to put safety before profit.

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bobabode 02-25-2015 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Wasillaguy (Post 261272)
Please don't beat yourself up about how you treat me my friend, I assure you my tolerance for scorn is sufficient to weather what comes.
I am not ignorant of the history. I read Sinclair in school, as most of us did, I'm sure.
Today the FDA is a corrupt, stinking behemoth deep in bed with big pharma and big food, no different than the MIC.
For decades, many other countries around the world have saved themselves billions by simply emulating U.S. standards. Why don't we adopt the same policy for food safety that we are taking in foreign affairs and just stop leading?
Defund the FDA and we'll just follow the lead of other prominent nations. We'll lead from behind.

Up on your pygmy pony again Was? Pbbbbttt. :rolleyes:

Ike Bana 02-25-2015 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Wasillaguy (Post 261238)
Ike, you just got done saying the gov should not have shit to say about what we put in our bodies. Now you want them to dictate who can sell you what? Please make up your mind.
We have no restaurant inspections here in beautiful Wasilla, and yet the rate of food poisoning has not skyrocketed. Weird huh?

How's about you read my post. Where TF did I say anything about what powers I think the government should or should not have? All I did was ask if you were some sort of strict constructionist. Then I said what I believe to be the founders intent. Where did I say I agreed with them?

Remind me to stay of any restaurants in Wasilla...not that I would be caught dead in Wasilla.

BlueStreak 02-26-2015 12:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Pio1980 (Post 261259)
The ones who vote for those who manage oversight? Probably some truth there, I live in a red State that (re)-elected a moron to chief justice.
Still, I'd like to have some effective say in how my food and medication is QC'ed rather than trusting the lawyered-up for-profit commercial system to sort it out via body count after the fact, as in the days before the FDA.

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I work in the food industry, (manufacturing). When the FDA schedules an inspection, we sweat it. Then, there are the inspection companies that customers hire to audit our plant. Some are fairly tight, some just seem to come and go unnoticed by most on the factory floor. Why? I don't know. But, it does seem a bit inconsistent.

In theory, an inspector hired by the customer has a vested interest in doing a thorough job. If a problem escapes them and causes lawsuits or whatever, they lose future contracts. But, being too anal, causing delays and additional costs can also become an issue.

So, I'd have to agree with you. The impartial auditor, who has nothing to lose from citing a plant for discrepancies is more favorable. However, I would say the more, the merrier. FDA inspections AND private audits.:)

Dave


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