IS/Daesh Burn POW Alive
 

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Jordanian pilot locked in a cage and burned to death. :mad:

Time to send in the Buffs (B52s) and Warthogs with Napalm. Give the civvies 24 hours to get out of Mosul and level the fucking place. :mad:

There are some evil people there. They thought the shock of beheading was wearing off too much.

"...the slaughter to come is probably beyond our imagining."

Time to go all 'Old Testament' on these dirtbags.

Crank up production on the 'M.O.A.B.' line and send in the S.P.E.C.T.R.E. gunships for the clean up.

They can't hurt anyone else if they're dead.

Regardless of rationalization, if you fly over another's territory dealing "death from above" with fire and smoke it's 100% hypocritical to whine about receiving same if they bring you down.

That's the price of being an attack pilot.

Our strategy shouldn't knee jerk to Rolling Thunder.

Shit, Zeke. What good is having a Buick if not to swat cockroaches with it? :rolleyes:

It's hardly unprecedented....

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I'm not in favor of burning masses of people with area weapons. Ghads, it feels really weird to have to say that.

Give the pilots cyanide pills and carry on.

They're trying to get us to respond emotionally instead of rationally.

Like we did after 9/11.

Air power is over rated and assures that there will be massive collateral damage.

Then we'll send in ground troops and be once again find ourselves suckered into fighting a guerrilla war 6,000 miles from home against an enemy that has home field advantage.

So? Negotiate? Pay ransom? Walk away from an longtime middle eastern ally?

Meh, there's got to be a point where the civilized people on this planet say enough is enough.

True, but we can't be the ones wanting peace/security more than the people of Iraq and Syria themselves. The Kurds seem to be the only ones who care enough to do something about it.

With Turkey doing everything they can to stop them.

Some ally!

John

The IRAQI soldier can fight but that bonehead al Maliki replaced all the officers we trained with some of his own choosing. When ISIS approached the officers fled leaving the troops leaderless. They are doing a pretty good job ay present.

That town in Syria that is the ISIS HQ should simply be leveled because anyone living there is either an ISIS sympathizer or dead. A little napalm would not hurt.

I suspect that we will be hearing that the four ISIS types in Jordan's death row will be having their sentences carried out soon.

The whole reason for this fucking ISIS mess is because we invaded Iraq and took out Saddam. We need to stop going all over the world and sticking our fucking noses in where it doesn't belong. Every time we do it turns into a clusterfuck, but we never learn.

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At present the most effective fighters engaged with ISIS are the Bader Brigade and other militias composed largely of veterans of Saddam's armed forces (honorable mention to the Kurdish Peshmerga) in Iraq and the Kurdish PKK in Syria. The reconstituted Iraqi army is still pretty useless.

Raqqa. We're pounding the shit out of it already.

At least two of them are already dead.

John

Yes, yes and yes.
And I repeat, Islam is not compatible with democracy and never can be unless it accepts the concept of the separation mosque and state. Tall order.

And for some reason people can't seem to get that point.

Turkey seems to want all the Kurds wiped out because they are giving them fits on the Iraq border. We should have left heavy armor and weapons with the Kurds. Then just maybe they could re-establish their homeland of Kurdistan.

FWIW, Turkey isn't the only one who believes the PKK is a terrorist organization.

The PKK is listed as a terrorist organization internationally by several states and organizations, including the North Atlantic Treaty Organisation (NATO), the United States, and the European Union.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurdistan_Workers%27_Party

They are only wanting to have their homeland back from Turkey, Syria and Iraq, funny how that works. Maybe NATO, USA and the EU should pull their respective heads out.

Drew
 

Careful bob...cockroaches? It took less than that to get me the racist tag.

Zeke has shown he has a soft spot in his heart for Islamic terrorists and a bug up his ass for those who won't lay down and die behind their terrorism. I like the idea of MOAB's. Last I heard ISIS has a majority of popular support in Syria, maybe in Iraq as well. Just like Hamas in Gaza, just like Hezbollah in Lebanon, just like Al Qaeda in Pakistan.:rolleyes:

See...I just can't help myself. How many interviews do we have to see of people in the streets of Gaza, Damascus, Baghdad, or anywhere else in the Arab world where the predominant opinion is that the Jews should be driven into the Sea and we're all infidels, before we finally get it through our thick skulls that the majority of the Islamic world probably prefers that we're all dead along with every Israeli.

So if a MOAB generates some collateral damage, it's gonna be way less collateral damage than we generated in our righteous firebombings of Dresden or Tokyo. One man's atrocity is another man's self-defense.

What the PKK is is a matter of circumstances and who's the commander of the ship of this state. Back in 2003 Turkish PKK were all terrorists, while Iraqi PKK were all heroic freedom fighters. Same Kurds, same PKK, pretty much the same as the Taliban when you get to know them. But possible convenient allies in the wacky world of US foreign policy.

Like everything else in this country...the meaning of titles like PKK are based on convenience and politics.

ISIS has majority support in Iraq and Hezbollah has majority support in Lebanon? That would indeed be news to the 65% of Iraq who are Shia and the 75% of Lebanon who aren't.:confused: You sure do make up a lot of shit as long as you think it serves your argument.

I don't think Shia vs. Sunni makes much difference when it comes to an Arab's attitude towards Israel. When Hezbollah did their most recent assassination of Israelis, Shia's and Sunni's alike were happy as dogs rolling in rotting fish.

It doesn't. However, your statements about majority ISIS support in Iraq and Hezbollah support in Lebanon were both pulled from the far reaches of your keister.;)

If you say so. I still contend that in the Islamic world, when it comes to Jews and Americans, terrorists, regardless of sect, are the heroes. Of course, as far as terrorism goes, to you Hamas is the Islamic equivalent of the Green Party.:rolleyes: Plenty of Shia all over the Arab world were joyfully hopping up and down on that sunny Tuesday morning in September 2001. For a long time after that morning I, like many others, would have been happy to see the whole Islamic world turned into a glow-in-the-dark radioactive wasteland. And right now, I'm leaning heavily toward approving of any neighborhood where ISIS is in control flattened like a pancake. Just drop a few million leaflets all over the place...tell everybody to get their donkey carts loaded and get on the road to where there's no ISIS, because we're coming, and hell's coming with us.

That's a pretty broad brush, Ike. It doesn't apply in Morocco, Turkey, Jordan, India or Indonesia and a number of other countries with huge Muslim populations. It does apply, however, to broad swaths of the Arab world, Iran and Pakistan.

FWIW, our behavior in the Mideast since WWII hasn't exactly been beyond reproach.

September 11 was chickens coming home to roost and we reacted emotionally -- not intelligently -- by swatting a fly with a Buick (and it wasn't even the right fly).

Fuck Bibi.

You're mistaken. The "Western Democracies" have considered the PKK to be terrorists regardless of where they happen to be. As for Ira, you're probably thinking of the Peshmerga fighters of the KDP (as opposed to the Peshmerga of the Iranian backed PUK). From time to time the KDP and the PKK have actually fought each other but they're now coperating against ISIS in Iraq.

John

Actually, no I'm not thinking of the KDP or the PUK or any other Kurdish organization in northern Iraq. It's like the politics everywhere else in the world actually. Somebody's got a beef with somebody else, and they get into bed with whoever they're stupid enough to think is going to benefit them in the short term. Any Kurd taking up arms against Saddam was identified as a heroic freedom fighter by the Bush administration. Plenty of Kurds who took up arms against Saddam at various times were PKK, or affiliated with PKK. Plenty of Kurdish fighters who were promised financial and materiel support by old man Bush after the first Gulf War (and who were subsequently hung out to dry and left twisting in the wind by old man Bush and his people) were PKK.

HAAAAHAHAH! The chickens coming home to roost!!! It's the Rev. Zeke of PC.:eek:

You're mistaken. Again. You just make shit up to suit whatever narrative you're trying to push, don't you?

PKK is in Iraq, Iran, Syria and, primarily, Turkey and have been for years. We have never previously afforded them any assistance at all, directly or indirectly.

With respect to the aftermath of Desert Storm and Operation Iraqi Liberation, we couldn't figure out who to back in Northern Iraq, the PUK under Jalal Talabani or the KDP under Masoud Barzani so, in a way, we backed them both, favoring Talabani for the presidency of Iraqi Kurdistan and Barzani for the Iraqi presidency. This way we kept the PUK and KDP more or less on our side and also kept them from fighting each other.

We have never assisted the PKK until the last 6 months or so. Our present aid is in the form of direct weapons drops to them on the battlefield, notably around Kobani. It's this aid which allowed the PKK to snatch victory from the jaws of defeat and kick ISIS out.

Turkey, of course, is none too happy with us for arming the PKK. They're justifiably concerned about the PKK fighters bringing these arms home.

John

I know all about PKK. I have a friend who was PKK, and who's been battling for permanent asylum in this country for 15 years now, because he was PKK. I'm gonna believe what he tells me, as opposed to an expert like you.

All I said was that when it comes to PKK and other Kurdish organizations in Turkey and in northern Iraq, the Bush administrations, both of them, used very convenient criteria for who was a terrorist and who was a freedom fighter.

I defy you to find a post of mine where I said this country ever gave direct support to any PKK. What I said was old man Bush promised support and reneged.

And I'm the one who makes shit up? Get an integrity transplant.

My friend in the PKK says your friend in the PKK is full of shit.

And what did I make up?

John

Not to get in the middle of whatever, but the PKK is Marxist. Bush Sr did reneg on them, same as folks elected Obama to do to the Iraqis and the Afghanis. Bush Sr also did what a lot of folks say they want now (and then), to follow the dictates of the UN. He had zero support for ground invasion at the time.

I realize that the middle east now is a wreck because of Bush, or WW2, or Napoleon or however far back you'd like to go.

Sadly Obama had the clear choice to fight ISIS in its infancy, without boots on the ground. He didn't.

He just sent another 1500 soldiers over to Iraq. Stay tuned.

Pete

For those who object to carpet bombing their HQ city the latest news is that ISIS is torturing and killing captured children.

One of the worst things about this stuff is what it does to us, mentally. It makes us more like them.

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