Terrorists in France Create Outrage
 

Twelve dead after three masked gunmen shoot-up the Paris office of the French satirical magazine "Charlie Hebdo."

NPR report I heard said the attackers shouted "Allah Akbar!" during the attack.

A setback for peace.

Report here.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/c...paris/?hpid=z2

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And for the simple minded Christians all over the world with Islam antipathies, Islam resentments:

Have we not all one Father? Hath not one God created us? (Malachi)

And Malachi/Malachai is revered in both faiths.

Chris, what are your thoughts on the recent anti-Muslim demonstrations in Dresden, Köln and Berlin?

John

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And this is how I feel. F@*k them if they cannot take a joke.

Bill Maher: To claim that Islam “is like other religions is just naive and plain wrong”

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/09/bi...nd-plain-wrong

The terrorists want you to hate Muslims. It's the only thing that can make them right.

So this is better?

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And what is this "Islam' of which Bill Maher speaks, and of which he thinks he knows what is wrong and right, what is naive or real.

"Islam" is a high-order abstraction. Of course no two high-order abstractions are alike. No two persons' conceptions of any high order abstraction are alike.

To get to reality, you have to get to individual people.

Next time you walk through airport security, ask yourself why?
Then find one or two of those individual people and ask them why. You will be rewarded with stony silence. Because they don't know either.

Your cartoon deals with two images, not with reality.

What is the importance of the ability to say why?

Well, of course. I suppose we could rightly say, don't we all have the same god and nobody should have anit-Islamic antipathies...if the behaviors weren't quite so persistent and increasingly despicable. And then we get shit like this post to the Mirror this morning...

Well...sorry Hend, not good enough. Not goddamn good enough to demand justice for the dead. Time for you to open your cake hole and tell the world that you believe that violent Islamic radicals and their caliphates are common thug murderers with no legitimate cause who have twisted a vulnerable belief system into a worldwide scourge. And I lay much of it at the hands of passive Muslims like you, Hend. You need to despise them as much as everybody else does...and wishing the families of the slaughtered some peace is a day late and a dollar short.

If headcase Christians were beheading people and walking into public places and slaughtering innocent human beings while screaming "Jesus is Lord!!!", I suspect the reaction from decent Christians all over this country would be considerably more intense and critical of the twisting of their religion than the half-assed comments we've been getting out of the worldwide mainstream Muslim community for the past half-century.

Now I'm gonna tell you a story about the day Dr. King was shot. The blonde was teaching her elementary school class on the west side of Chicago when the sound of gunfire filled the neighborhood and it went up in flames. The kids were all sent home and the staff was advised to get out of the neighborhood immediately. Her old Opel Kadett got as far as the corner of California and the Eisenhower when the clutch cable snapped. She coasted into a little gas station on the corner. Three old black men (probably the age I am now), pushed her car into the station, and hid her in the rest room. They called the school and found the last remaining teacher, on his way out, who drove over, picked her up and got the hell out of there. These three guys were in tears over the loss of Dr. King, and then... they apologized to her for the behavior in their community, and for her being so terrified. When she got back to the school the following week, she walked over to the shop and they had already repaired her car. She had to insist they take 50 bucks for the cost of the repair and for and keeping her safe. She'll never forget those guys.

I wouldn't, either.

You mention one person referred to as Muslim, and three persons identified as black.

It's called rationalization and we humans are afflicted with it. See if this quote from Carl Sagan make sense to you?

But that wasn't why you were saying I don't know why. Your claim was that people can't say why, but now you say folks are afflicted with rationalization, which means they can say stuff as to why, doesn't it? Of course, rationalizations are poor reasons, we think.

Actually, you were just trying to throw sand in my rationalizations. Which is why I threw sand back.

Anyway, Sagan is probably right most of the time. But what particular bamboozles do you have in mind, afflicting whom?

BTW, I don't think time is a useful variable, with regard to bamboozles. People can get very attached to them very quickly, I don't think it's time that makes them strong or weak.

Vive la France, Vive la Française!!!!!!!

Millions of Muslims are living medieval shit - Middle East, Pakistan and most of the other stans, sections of Africa.

I believe the modern world, especially Europe, sees Muslims as a severe threat and will eventually circumscribe and or eject them from its area.

Where's your evidence that Hend holds the beliefs you ascribe to him?

Is it "passive" for him to speak out as he did and do you have any evidence that his activism is restricted to posts to online articles?

Do you know with any degree of certainty that he doesn't despise with every fiber of his being the terrorists who use his religion as the excuse and the rationale for their inhuman actions?

Perhaps but I doubt that they would condemn and repudiate their religion as the ultimate source and inspiration for their actions. They would say, correctly, that their behavior was reprehensible and emphatically un-Christian.

The implication in the above is that no Muslim would behave or feel as these three presumably Christian blacks did. You have no rational basis upon which to base this.

I was about a week and a half shy of discharge when Dr. King was murdered. I was stationed at Ft. Myer, Va and witnessed first hand and in "real time" the riots in DC and in Baltimore. I saw good and bad on both sides.

John

It is good to see that Europeans are getting more alert to Islamists amongst them.

"Hend" is allegedly a Muslim woman who made a post to The Mirror this morning, which rubbed me significantly the wrong way. This from yesterday's news.

The three old black men ran the gas station a block from Calhoun North Elementary in Chicago. This from the day Dr. King was shot on 4/8/68. This was only mentioned as a response to the above woman's refusal to apologize for anything.

My apologies for any confusion, or if the confusion remains. One thing I forgot to mention was that the blonde and these old guys from the service station actually spent a few minutes crying together over the loss of Dr. King before her colleague got there and they headed out. It was an eerie experience driving her into the neighborhood the following week. The IL National guard was still all over the neighborhood, particularly on all the expressway overpasses and on the exit ramps into the neighborhood checking out who was driving in to the neighborhood. Those were, at times, some very scary times.

It's how I feel John. I don't believe I owe anybody an explanation for how I feel. If you don't think it's rational, that would be your concern, not mine. I'm sick to my stomach over the half-century of passivity from the mainstream Muslim community over the barbarism that is running at such a high level through that culture.

I never suggested that anybody repudiate their religion. Although the fundamentals of Islam appear to allow for such behavior to be so frequent and the response by other Muslims pretty much nonexistent. That and the treatment of women in the culture as exposed by so many brave and vocal Muslim women who risk their lives expressing their feelings about the failure of Islam to protect them from the Islamic patriarchy.

As far as the riots you witnessed...I'm not sure what you mean by "...on both sides." What sides would those be? Perhaps the rioters and their neighbors who were burned out of their homes and businesses? Those both sides?

I feel the same way but DQ seems to have trouble understanding my posts. So I will simply ditto you.

Especially if the explanation might present certain difficulties.

If you share your feelings passionately and publically, others are entitled to question them. You are free to refuse to defend them, but don't try to make it that you have some special privilege and aren't just dodging the questions.

Understand, I think the story of the three black fellows aiding your wife is a good story, and I'm glad you told it. I just want it understood that in other circumstances, it could be three Muslim fellows aiding your wife, or three Catholics lynching her, or three Jewish rioters beating and stomping her, or three Chinese feeding her, etc, etc, etc. People are people, and you're going to see all the range of personality and character across the run of them.

Now the three black men acted humanely across a dividing line. Aren't you arguing that we should not do that, across another such line? Or if not, what are you arguing?

I think you say 'understanding' where you mean 'agreeing with,' above.

As for the damned 'passive Muslims,' is attacking them a really good way to drive a wedge between them and the violent Muslims? Or is it likely to just make them feel hated?

How do folks often respond when they feel hated?

Silence is assent. So you get to share the hate, though disdain for their religion is how I would express it. But then I am an atheist, so I harbor a certain amount of scorn against all religions.

So it goes.

Just remember, during the three great crusades of the Middle Ages, crusaders killed more Christians than Muslims.

Peace is hard to find when you hate and kill in the name of the Lord.

Placard text from the 2012 protest against Google in London for YouTube hosting the movie, Innocence of Muslims.

"Prophet Muhammad is the founder of freedom of speech"

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Freedom of hate speech can be hard to swallow. Most cultures, including most European nations, draw that line more restrictively than we do, at least in some cases.

Modern time and Islam of all the main religions is the one most mired in ancient deprave customs. Plus right now it is the one trying to push its religious depravity into different parts of the world.

[QUOTE]I was pointing to the irony. Words on a placard from a group of Muslims protesting against the release of the movie, Innocence of Muslims on YouTube. This group wanted Google/YouTube to ban this movie while proclaiming their prophet founded "freedom of speech".

Not trying to define freedom of speech here or elsewhere.

They have captured London.

And Jews.

Most of the Christians killed were Orthodox though. I guess that shouldn't really count, huh? :rolleyes:

John

Moscow has a Muslim problem.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3sjnU_YFR8

It's not only how you feel but what you assume about an individual (Hend) based on your rather jaundiced view if her coreligionists.

I suspect that one of the things that sticks in your craw regarding Hend's post is her stated refusal to apologize for the attack. I hear this supposed criticism leveled at Muslims all the time. It's profoundly unjust. Should Christians offer individual apologies when an abortion clinic is bombed or a synagog attacked and defiled? Should Jews apologize when IDF soldiers stomp an innocent 14 year old American boy or level run over and murder a 24 year old American woman or level an apartment block full of non-combatant families in Gaza?

As for the treatment of women by some Muslims, this is far from unique to Islam. Ultra-orthodox Charedim are essentially just as bad.

Now, as to the riots, I realize your question was merely provocative but I'll answer it briefly. I saw rioting, looting and vandalism on the part of African Americans but I also saw some rather brutal behavior on the part of a few guardsmen. At the same time, I saw acts of charity and brotherhood on both sides.

John

Paranoid crapola.

Sad day for freedom of the press. Hope they run these murders to the ground quickly.


Islam needs to go trough a reformation much like the Christians did. It was bloody then and appears to be the same now with Islam. Trust me there is plenty of fundamentalist of take your pick of any religion who believe in violence.

Having a hard time finding the proof but long ago when talking to a follower of Islam he told me the they believe their savior will not return till the whole world is Islam. So the killing of a non believer is justified by some for this reason. I seem to recall him also saying he will be born of man not woman.




Barney