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Tom Joad 12-17-2014 12:55 PM

Obamas on Race: We've Been Treated Like the Help
 
I'm glad to see them speaking up on this.

I can only image the howling from the right about this.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/obama...ry?id=27636612

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President and Michelle Obama personally identify with everyday experiences of racial bias in America that have underpinned recent protests across the country, they told People magazine in an interview to be released Friday.

“Barack Obama was a black man that lived on the South Side of Chicago, who had his share of troubles catching cabs," Michelle Obama told the magazine.

On one occasion, she said, her husband “was wearing a tuxedo at a black-tie dinner, and somebody asked him to get coffee.”

President Obama said he's even been mistakenly treated as a valet.

“There’s no black male my age, who’s a professional, who hasn’t come out of a restaurant and is waiting for their car and somebody didn’t hand them their car keys," he said, according to excerpts of the interview released today.

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MrPots 12-17-2014 03:21 PM

I was wondering when he was going to get honest about the whole thing.

ZeroJunk 12-17-2014 04:29 PM

I have had the same thing happen to me as well as being asked to help get something off a shelf.

Of course, if you are black it is racism

Rajoo 12-17-2014 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by ZeroJunk (Post 252856)
I have had the same thing happen to me as well as being asked to help get something off a shelf.

Of course, if you are black it is racism

This is what Mr. Obama said.

“There’s no black male my age, who’s a professional, who hasn’t come out of a restaurant and is waiting for their car and somebody didn’t hand them their car keys," he said, according to excerpts of the interview released today.

Not someone asking for casual help which happens for all of us. I remember helping an older lady with her bags at O'hare airport a few years back and she insisted on tipping me even after I said, "I am well off and don't need your money, give it to charity".

Ike Bana 12-17-2014 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by ZeroJunk (Post 252856)
I have had the same thing happen to me as well as being asked to help get something off a shelf.

Of course, if you are black it is racism

WTF do you know about racism that you don't hear from Sean Hannity?:rolleyes:

finnbow 12-17-2014 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Ike Bana (Post 252860)
WTF do you know about racism that you don't hear from Sean Hannity?:rolleyes:

And WTF do you know that he doesn't?

donquixote99 12-17-2014 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by finnbow (Post 252875)
And WTF do you know that he doesn't?

Anyone who's read his posts knows. Unless they prefer not to....

In this thread, ZJ offers a BS apples-to-oranges false equivalency. Why? To try to say that Obama is wrongfully complaining of racial stereotyping. Why.....?

ZeroJunk 12-17-2014 06:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ike Bana (Post 252860)
WTF do you know about racism that you don't hear from Sean Hannity?:rolleyes:

I spend as much time with blacks as I do whites. They live all around me.

ZeroJunk 12-17-2014 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by donquixote99 (Post 252878)
Anyone who's read his posts knows. Unless they prefer not to....

In this thread, ZJ offers a BS apples-to-oranges false equivalency. Why? To try to say that Obama is wrongfully complaining of racial stereotyping. Why.....?

There is definitely racial profiling.

But, somebody thinking you might be a valet , or somebody asking a tall lady to help them get something.

Give me a break.

They are about as far as you can get from real profiling.

Tom Joad 12-17-2014 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by finnbow (Post 252875)
And WTF do you know that he doesn't?

You and your buddy Zero are getting real cozy I see.

That's nice because you two have so much in common these days.

ZeroJunk 12-17-2014 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Tom Joad (Post 252918)
You and your buddy Zero are getting real cozy I see.

That's nice because you two have so much in common these days.

Just so long as I have nothing in common with you I am way ahead of the game.

Tom Joad 12-17-2014 08:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZeroJunk (Post 252885)
I spend as much time with blacks as I do whites. They live all around me.

I'm going to go way out on a limb and suggest that an actual black person knows a helluva lot more about what kind of discriminatory treatment blacks get than a white guy does.

Although I will say that there seems to be an overabundance of white male conservatives that seem to think they are experts on being black.

Tom Joad 12-17-2014 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by ZeroJunk (Post 252922)
Just so long as I have nothing in common with you I am way ahead of the game.

I'm proud as Hell not to have anything in common with you.

In fact I would appreciate it if you would advertise that fact every chance you get.

ZeroJunk 12-17-2014 08:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom Joad (Post 252923)
I'm going to go way out on a limb and suggest that an actual black person knows a helluva lot more about what kind of discriminatory treatment blacks get than a white guy does.

Although I will say that there seems to be an overabundance of white male conservatives that seem to think they are experts on being black.

Actually, when you get away from the black guys that make a living off of race the most amusing bunch talking about racism are the white liberal apologist who drive by a black neighborhood now and then.

When you go to your wine tasting whoever is the most indignant about racism wins.

ZeroJunk 12-17-2014 08:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom Joad (Post 252924)
I'm proud as Hell not to have anything in common with you.

In fact I would appreciate it if you would advertise that fact every chance you get.

OK. Tom Joad has nothing and never will. And, I am fairly wealthy.

How's that.

bobabode 12-17-2014 08:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom Joad (Post 252924)
I'm proud as Hell not to have anything in common with you.

In fact I would appreciate it if you would advertise that fact every chance you get.

Don'tcha love it when these pearl clutchin' drama queens from up in the Carolinas fall back onto their fainting couches in a swoon? :rolleyes:

ZeroJunk 12-17-2014 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by bobabode (Post 252927)
Don'tcha love it when these pearl clutchin' drama queens from up in the Carolinas fall back onto their fainting couches in a swoon? :rolleyes:

Another interesting post Bob. I think you have about 20,000 of them.

Tom Joad 12-17-2014 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by ZeroJunk (Post 252926)
OK. Tom Joad has nothing and never will. And, I am fairly wealthy.

How's that.

I live quite comfortably and haven't worked a day since October of 2007 and never intend to again for as long as I live.

How do you like them apples?

http://i843.photobucket.com/albums/z...ner_neener.gif

merrylander 12-18-2014 08:57 AM

This fascination with money here in America is possibly why the TV show Downton Abbey is so popular. It was a period in England when 1% had all the money and treated the other 99% like dirt. Personally I really stopped watching it long ago despite the fact that the acting is very good.

Howevr since there is no more Chat in Political Chat I guess it is time to pursue more adult pastimes.

Ike Bana 12-18-2014 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by ZeroJunk (Post 252885)
I spend as much time with blacks as I do whites. They live all around me.

Black people live all around all sorts of moronic white people who either don't understand fuck-all about it or simply don't give a shit. You qualify for both.

Ike Bana 12-18-2014 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Tom Joad (Post 252918)
You and your buddy Zero are getting real cozy I see.

It's pretty unique, ain't it. Reckon what finn's need to defend the ignorant little putz from the evil Ike is all about, eh? Maybe they're secretly related.

donquixote99 12-18-2014 10:24 AM

It's a case of 'the enemy of my enemy is my friend,' seems to me. Finn has a real case for about two people here, and they're both in this thread.

Tom Joad 12-18-2014 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by donquixote99 (Post 252990)
Finn has a real case for about two people here, and they're both in this thread.

I resemble that remark.:D

ZeroJunk 12-18-2014 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Ike Bana (Post 252972)
Black people live all around all sorts of moronic white people who either don't understand fuck-all about it or simply don't give a shit. You qualify for both.

You are a typical liberal. You know about as much about black people as you are told.
I just spent all morning goofing off with a couple of black guys.
Yeah, I know nothing about it.

donquixote99 12-18-2014 12:37 PM

Anyone with half-assed social skills and not too disordered a personality can get along with their workmates. Doesn't mean a thing.

And you're still being anecdotal, of course.... :)

sheltiedave 12-18-2014 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by ZeroJunk (Post 253023)
You are a typical liberal. You know about as much about black people as you are told.
I just spent all morning goofing off with a couple of black guys.
Yeah, I know nothing about it.

Zero, why don't you stop by St. Louis, so I can set you up with a few black friends up here. Then you can regale us with your stories of hanging out with some ghetto blacks.

ZeroJunk 12-18-2014 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by donquixote99 (Post 253034)
Anyone with half-assed social skills and not too disordered a personality can get along with their workmates. Doesn't mean a thing.

And you're still being anecdotal, of course.... :)

Don't work with them and never have. Do some work for them from time to time. Mostly fixing back pack blowers, chainsaws, weedeaters that they use for work. Never charge anything for doing it.


And, anecdotal pretty much covers anything that does not fit your preconceptions of the way things are. Actually they are not always the way you think they are. Not even close.

ZeroJunk 12-18-2014 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by sheltiedave (Post 253038)
Zero, why don't you stop by St. Louis, so I can set you up with a few black friends up here. Then you can regale us with your stories of hanging out with some ghetto blacks.

Actually , that is the point I am trying to make. It is not like that here.

The ghetto blacks are a product of what you got when blacks left the South thinking that somehow the wonderful Yankees were going to give them fortune. And, the liberals "helped" them for a few generations.

You made them, you can keep them.

donquixote99 12-18-2014 02:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZeroJunk (Post 253047)
Don't work with them and never have. Do some work for them from time to time. Mostly fixing back pack blowers, chainsaws, weedeaters that they use for work. Never charge anything for doing it.


And, anecdotal pretty much covers anything that does not fit your preconceptions of the way things are. Actually they are not always the way you think they are. Not even close.

Whatever.

That is not the meaning of anecdotal as I used it.....

Not always, true enough. Will you admit the last sentence applies to you, too?

finnbow 12-18-2014 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by donquixote99 (Post 252990)
It's a case of 'the enemy of my enemy is my friend,' seems to me. Finn has a real case for about two people here, and they're both in this thread.

I'll readily admit an aversion to ideological blowhards, regardless of political stripe. I'm as repulsed by Ed Schultz as I am Rush Limbaugh.

Ike Bana 12-18-2014 03:53 PM

I'll admit an aversion to pompous asses, regardless of claims of political conversion.

Ike Bana 12-18-2014 03:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sheltiedave (Post 253038)
Zero, why don't you stop by St. Louis, so I can set you up with a few black friends up here. Then you can regale us with your stories of hanging out with some ghetto blacks.

If he emerges from that little get together surviving the ass-whipping of his life.

Tom Joad 12-18-2014 03:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZeroJunk (Post 253023)
I just spent all morning goofing off with a couple of black guys.

http://i843.photobucket.com/albums/z...o_be_black.jpg

sheltiedave 12-18-2014 04:05 PM

No Zero, you don't get it. I work with four of these ghetto blacks every day, all day long. They have no aversion to work, and they close to live cheap so they can afford other things. They don't like white folks who pimp them because of where they live.

BlueStreak 12-18-2014 06:09 PM

I see we're comparing race credentials this evening.

So, tell me; Who here, other than myself, has bopped a black chick or two......or three.......or maybe have a few mulatto kids runnin' around out there?

Yeah, I know that's getting pretty personal. But I figured while we're at it, what the hell, why not go there?

Dave

Wasillaguy 12-18-2014 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by BlueStreak (Post 253077)
I see we're comparing race credentials this evening.

So, tell me; Who here, other than myself, has bopped a black chick or two......or three.......or maybe have a few mulatto kids runnin' around out there?

Yeah, I know that's getting pretty personal. But I figured while we're at it, what the hell, why not go there?

Dave

Why not go there?
Because it is not flattering on you, on several levels.

That you see your conquest of women of color as a distinct accomplishment is possibly a bit racist in itself.
If you "maybe" have kids out in the world, you "maybe" are costing those of us who lived our lives more responsibly.

Zeke 12-18-2014 08:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlueStreak (Post 253077)
I see we're comparing race credentials this evening.

So, tell me; Who here, other than myself, has bopped a black chick or two......or three.......or maybe have a few mulatto kids runnin' around out there?

Yeah, I know that's getting pretty personal. But I figured while we're at it, what the hell, why not go there?

Dave

I have found beauty -- and ugly -- in many races.

No issues, there.

Tom Joad 12-18-2014 09:13 PM

http://blackpeopleloveus.com/

bobabode 12-18-2014 09:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wasillaguy (Post 253100)
Why not go there?
Because it is not flattering on you, on several levels.

That you see your conquest of women of color as a distinct accomplishment is possibly a bit racist in itself.
If you "maybe" have kids out in the world, you "maybe" are costing those of us who lived our lives more responsibly.


Conquest? How old are you man? :confused:

Ike Bana 12-19-2014 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Zeke (Post 253101)
I have found beauty -- and ugly -- in many races.

No issues, there.

Ugly and beauty isn't the issue. Institutional racism is the issue.


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