Cuba
 

Obama is moving to normalize relations with Cuba. Good.

After 50 years of sanctions in Cuba and North Korea what has been accomplished besides starving the people. Nothing.

The only reason you care about this is because the majority of US Cubans are Republicans. Here's what's going to happen when this political bullshit with Cuba is over. The Cubans with enough money will head back to Cuba so fast you won't see them for the dust. If I were a Cuban American, I would as well. I'd be the fuck out of this country as soon as I could get everything in order.

BTW - putting the Cubans and the North Koreans in the same basket is bullshit. Cuba is of absolutely no danger to this country. North Korea is a different story. North Korea is a danger to everybody who isn't North Korean, and probably a danger to most North Koreans as well.

Grand scale?

Normalization with Cuba is a very minor thing.

Who are you to tell someone else what motivates/informs their thinking? BTW, the most vocal opponents to Obama's Cuba initiative are Republicans.

I support normalized relations with Cuba too. Please tell me, Ike, why it is that I think this way.

Ike, how much money would it take to get you out of this country. I will help a little.

Only stipulations is that when you realize just how fucking stupid you are, you can't come back.

Hellyeah!

Free universal healthcare on a par with any first world county.

Free higher education.

Awesome salt water fishing.

No goddamned racism.

I'd go Hemingway in a minute for that!

The young Cuban Americans will support the president, but the old guard will rally against it.

Remove the sanctions and the Castros will lose their cover.

The US will lose it's cover.

How so?

Why is communism good in China and not in Cuba?

We're the only assholes in the entire world that doesn't have normal relations with Cuba. Because we are assholes.

What's going to happen when Cuba is opened up to Americans and they get to see for themselves that Castro isn't a fire breathing Devil and that Cuba isn't the Commie Hellhole our government has made it out to be?

Look at the bright side. Cuba educates and trains some of the best doctors in the world and we get them to come over and this will help reduce our healthcare costs. And Miami may become English speaking once the Cuban old guard leave. That's a win win. :)

Ukraine beckons! ;)

John

Sadly, not true.

John

Well, to be honest I can't speak to the racism in Cuba, but I doubt it could be any worse than it is here.

No, I doubt that, in Cuba, jaywalking while black is grounds for summary execution.

John

I don't believe you.

White and near white Cubans have much more family connections with Cuban Americans.

As a result remittance to Cuba from the US heavily favors white Cubans. This
creates in an economically impoverished state some racial unease. When the state freed up
up its restrictions on small business white Cuban were much better able to open small enterprises.

Looks like the 'pubbies are up in arms about this EO. Buncha snivelers. :rolleyes:

Poor Rubio.:rolleyes:

I agree....

What goddamn business is it of yours how I choose to talk to Zero. Butt the fuck out.

Zero goes into his Spiro Agnes act.:rolleyes:

If you "choose" to go after someone in a forum such as PC, you have no business whining when someone other than your intended target takes you to task. Grow the fuck up.

John

Because we trade with China and get boatloads of cheap goods and labor from them. Cuba, not so much.

Follow the money.

Dave

I think the sanctions started in 1961. So, in 50+ years or so Castro is still in power. At some point when whatever you have been doing is not working you have to think that continuing to do it is simple stubbornness.

Joaquín and Julián? ;)

John

If you want to leave, leave.

I don't think Ike is quite all there, so he should be treated accordingly.

You can butt the fuck out as well.

If you want to be a moron, be a moron.

Mirror, mirror on the wall...:rolleyes:

You're pretty sensitive to me kicking your ass up one side and down the other on every issue I choose to engage you on, aren't you? You may be among the prickliest SOB's on the planet.

Or like we say in the 12-step...you spot it, you got it.

It's pretty easy to be spiky with you when you're generally unable to open your mouth without a lecture that nobody asked for coming forth.

It's clear to me that you're the type who slept through many a lecture, fully convinced he knew more than the professor to begin with.

Sanctions started in 1959 (Ike), got tougher in 1961 (JFK).

Question I have (aka I am wondering) as to why now? Release of Alan Gross? Probably not just that. There is something far reaching here. For all I know, Mr. Obama may be trying to get under Putin 's skin. Also wonder what the GOP reaction will be.

All this mud slinging is detracting from an interesting topic.

I think he's wanted to do this for a while. Gross provided the impetus for a long-sought deal. Also, Obama is also not facing reelection and needn't worry about Florida votes.

Six months from now only the faithful watchers of FOX will still be upset. I believe even the old Cuban Americans will see this as a good thing. Free travel and getting family members to the US. So will this be a end to the instant Visa acceptance at the border for Cubans?



Barney

The GOP will piss in their pants.

I had not thought about the Putin angle although I don't know that they care much about Cuba in this era.

No telling what all their motives are.