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Tom Joad 12-15-2014 07:36 PM

Texas Cop Uses Stun Gun On Elderly Man Over Inspection Sticker
 
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/1...n_6324804.html

Good Tase?

Quote:

A Texas cop is under investigation after using a stun gun on an elderly man he had stopped for an inspection sticker issue that the officer himself apparently didn't understand.

Dashcam video from the incident posted by Raw Story, above, shows officer Nathanial Robinson, 23, pull over Pete Vasquez, 76, at Adam's Auto Mart in Victoria, Texas, as "Under Ground Kings" by Drake blares from the cruiser's radio.

Vasquez gets out of the car, walks behind it and gestures toward the license plate and to the office of the dealer, where he works. He later told the Victoria Advocate newspaper that he was explaining that the dealer tags on the car make it exempt from inspection.

Victoria Police Chief Jeffrey "J.J." Craig confirmed to the paper that the car was exempt.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVNwPD7CPR8#t=28

donquixote99 12-15-2014 07:46 PM

Good assault by cop with deadly weapon!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taser_safety_issues

icenine 12-15-2014 07:56 PM

Don't worry I am sure Zeke will point out how an unarmed 76 year old man was being "non-compliant" and deserved to have his life put in danger by being tased, which is not safe for anyone at that age I am sure.

Ike Bana 12-15-2014 10:36 PM

http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2013/07/...beanbag-round/

Zeke 12-16-2014 12:31 AM

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Originally Posted by icenine (Post 252618)
Don't worry I am sure Zeke will point out how an unarmed 76 year old man was being "non-compliant" and deserved to have his life put in danger by being tased, which is not safe for anyone at that age I am sure.

I watched the whole thing, all he had to do was follow instructions given by Officer Robinson.

But he didn't want to.

Vasquez, quote from video while being interviewed, "I'm not going to put up with that (questioning) no matter who he is."

Belligerence. Then he winds up getting tazed.

Questionable? Sure. Caused by Vasquez? Yes.

Tazers suck, I've been hit by 100V. Beats a bullet which can occur if you enter an officer's personal space with any sort of aggression.

All he had to do was wait in the car... :rolleyes:

merrylander 12-16-2014 07:17 AM

What kind of police state do you want to see? Are we all to never question a police officer but simply obediently do whatever they demand? That sort of society I want no part of.

icenine 12-16-2014 07:22 AM

Pointing at a dealer plate is cause for a take down?

donquixote99 12-16-2014 07:26 AM

Oh come on. Vasquez was standing at the rear of the car. He did not 'enter the officers personal space.' He was just staying where he was, when the officer advanced on him, and attempted to grab the documents Vasquez's hand. The officer needlessly, belligerently, initiates violence.

Then you put the word 'questioning' into Vasquez's statement. That makes the quote into a lie.

You want to defend the cop too much. This man did NOT assault the officer. Slamming him around, let alone risking his life by tasing him, was totally unjustified.

BTW, I'd say Vasquez, as the victim of an unprovoked assault, DID have a right of self defense, though I know of no actions he took other than attempting to evade the continuing unlawful assault on him.

JJIII 12-16-2014 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by donquixote99 (Post 252655)
Oh come on. Vasquez was standing at the rear of the car. He did not 'enter the officers personal space.' He was just staying where he was, when the officer advanced on him, and attempted to grab the documents Vasquez's hand. The officer needlessly, belligerently, initiates violence.

Then you put the word 'questioning' into Vasquez's statement. That makes the quote into a lie.

You want to defend the cop too much. This man did NOT assault the officer. Slamming him around, let alone risking his life by tasing him, was totally unjustified.

BTW, I'd say Vasquez, as the victim of an unprovoked assault, DID have a right of self defense, though I know of no actions he took other than attempting to evade the continuing unlawful assault on him.

See bolded above....

Looked like to me that the officer went straight for the drivers wrist, as if he was going to cuff him. I watched the video a few times and I saw no reason for the officer to react like that.

In a perfect scenario, the driver would have stayed in the car and the officer would have been more in control of himself. As it played out in reality, IMO, the officer holds greater blame for the outcome. YMMV

Rajoo 12-16-2014 08:25 AM

http://cdn.business2community.com/wp...n-innocent.jpg

Texas Police Department Invites Feedback On Tazing Of 76-Year-Old Man (Who Was Actually Innocent)
Read more at http://www.business2community.com/us...etEetxsGjqr.99

I wonder about this response from their PD. For real or just PR.

MrPots 12-16-2014 09:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by icenine (Post 252618)
Don't worry I am sure Zeke will point out how an unarmed 76 year old man was being "non-compliant" and deserved to have his life put in danger by being tased, which is not safe for anyone at that age I am sure.

That's the beauty of it, if he had died from a heart attack after being taxed, the police could have said it was the old mans fault for being old......

I suspect though he was taZed because his name was Vasquez more than anything If his name had been "Olsen" he wound been gold.

MrPots 12-16-2014 09:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by merrylander (Post 252652)
What kind of police state do you want to see? Are we all to never question a police officer but simply obediently do whatever they demand? That sort of society I want no part of.

No, you are to sit by while that cop rapes your wife and beats your kids and if you protest you deserve to die.

RIGHT ZEKE?

Tom Joad 12-16-2014 10:02 AM

This cop needs to be fired, banned from law enforcement for life, and tried, convicted, and sent to the slammer for assault and battery.

donquixote99 12-16-2014 10:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrPots (Post 252671)
That's the beauty of it, if he had died from a heart attack after being taxed, the police could have said it was the old mans fault for being old......

I suspect though he was taZed because his name was Vasquez more than anything If his name had been "Olsen" he wound been gold.

Thin skull rule. Just because the victim is particularly vulnerable does not relieve you of full liability for the harm you do.

Ike Bana 12-16-2014 12:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zeke (Post 252645)
I watched the whole thing, all he had to do was follow instructions given by Officer Robinson.

But he didn't want to.

Vasquez, quote from video while being interviewed, "I'm not going to put up with that (questioning) no matter who he is."

Belligerence. Then he winds up getting tazed.

Questionable? Sure. Caused by Vasquez? Yes.

Tazers suck, I've been hit by 100V. Beats a bullet which can occur if you enter an officer's personal space with any sort of aggression.

All he had to do was wait in the car... :rolleyes:

You vill present your paperz !!!

http://www.aceshowbiz.com/images/sti...basterds37.jpg

Rajoo 12-16-2014 12:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom Joad (Post 252684)
This cop needs to be fired, banned from law enforcement for life, and tried, convicted, and sent to the slammer for assault and battery.

The maximum punishment their union will probably allow is one years administrative leave with full pay and benefits. :rolleyes:

Zeke 12-16-2014 01:03 PM

Basically, PR Baum on a non incident.

Rajoo 12-16-2014 01:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zeke (Post 252703)
Basically, PR Baum on a non incident.

No entiendo.

merrylander 12-16-2014 02:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BeamOn (Post 252705)
No entiendo.

Et moi aussi.

Tom Joad 12-16-2014 04:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by merrylander (Post 252712)
Et moi aussi.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPpdSzyDtL0

Zeke 12-16-2014 09:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BeamOn (Post 252705)
No entiendo.

Potential criminale.

Peligroso.

donquixote99 12-16-2014 09:20 PM

I think the cop in this case should be gutted, and strangled with his own digestive organs.

(You notice how opinions get polarized and extreme around here sometimes....)

Zeke 12-16-2014 09:42 PM

I think the subject should have remained in his car as likely (POST Training 101) instructed.

There'd be no issue.

bobabode 12-16-2014 10:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zeke (Post 252748)
Potential criminale.

Peligroso.

Pops didn't look all that dangerous to me in the video but then again... it's pendejo huero Tejas. :rolleyes:

Rajoo 12-17-2014 01:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zeke (Post 252751)
I think the subject should have remained in his car as likely (POST Training 101) instructed.

There'd be no issue.

The cop obviously should have never made it through COP-101.
Who would be dumb enough to physically push around and tase an unarmed septuagenarian on video camera mounted on his squad car?

Ike Bana 12-17-2014 07:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zeke (Post 252751)
I think the subject should have remained in his car as likely (POST Training 101) instructed.

There'd be no issue.

Fuckin' right! There was no issue for the Jews who followed instructions and quietly climbed into the cattle cars.:rolleyes:

Tom Joad 12-17-2014 08:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by donquixote99 (Post 252750)
I think the cop in this case should be gutted, and strangled with his own digestive organs.

Works for me.

Sounds like a reasonable punishment for a snot nosed 23 year old Nazi punk that beats up on a 76 year man.

Zeke 12-17-2014 12:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ike Bana (Post 252758)
Fuckin' right! There was no issue for the Jews who followed instructions and quietly climbed into the cattle cars.:rolleyes:

I know you've lost an argument when you turn to Nazi persecution -- there's NO comparison, here -- and hyperbole.

The guy stays in his car? There's no issue.

donquixote99 12-17-2014 12:19 PM

Right. the old man was just beaten up and tazed for daring to get out of his car and argue. He wasn't disappeared. So no comparison.

Except...wouldn't you say there's just a little whiff, a little cold breath, of the Nazi about it, when daring to argue about a wrongly-alleged infraction, completely non-violently, gets you beaten-up and tazed?

Anyone remember when we used to say this was a free country? Now it's no country for old men. :(

Boreas 12-17-2014 12:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zeke (Post 252798)
The guy stays in his car? There's no issue.

Um, yeah. Sure.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InyCNDZJOGA

John

icenine 12-17-2014 12:25 PM

What kind of individual man-handles a non-violent person over 65 anyway?

Zeke 12-17-2014 12:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by icenine (Post 252812)
What kind of individual man-handles a non-vilent person over 65 anyway?

1. How old is too old to pull a trigger? (You are in TX.)
2. It's always easy to claim "non-violent" after the situation.

You never, ever, know.

Aggression and/or belligerence nets a result.

Everyone wound up safe.

Tom Joad 12-17-2014 12:46 PM

My personal policy is that I will give the benefit of the doubt to any cop that is not a white male. White male cops I will presume to be thugs until they prove otherwise to my satisfaction.

MrPots 12-17-2014 03:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by icenine (Post 252812)
What kind of individual man-handles a non-vilent person over 65 anyway?

An asshole.

Someone who beats their wife, slaps their kids and locks them in chains and kicks their dog.

Ike Bana 12-17-2014 05:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrPots (Post 252845)
An asshole.

Someone who beats their wife, slaps their kids and locks them in chains and kicks their dog.

Or an idiot if they think they're going to try to physically intimidate an over 65 me.

Ike Bana 12-17-2014 05:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom Joad (Post 252825)
My personal policy is that I will give the benefit of the doubt to any cop that is not a white male. White male cops I will presume to be thugs until they prove otherwise to my satisfaction.

And for some goddamn reason it always seems to be the fat-ass donut munching coppers coming across that way.

Y'know...I'm suddenly reminded of our favorite Chicago version of asshole white copper...the one and only Anthony Abbate. Big tough fat-ass Anthony.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zp5837FiUdI

I can't believe these guys stood there and let this fat sack of shit, cop or not, just beat on this woman.

donquixote99 12-17-2014 06:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom Joad (Post 252825)
My personal policy is that I will give the benefit of the doubt to any cop that is not a white male. White male cops I will presume to be thugs until they prove otherwise to my satisfaction.


^^^racial profiling

Be very careful with all of them.

Rajoo 12-17-2014 07:00 PM

A very close friend (who is not white) got ticketed recently for improperly stopping at a Stop Sign. He was driving a spiffy Bentley and the cop stopped him a couple of blocks from his house. The reason the cop gave my friend was that the car went over the wide white line before stopping. This is in a very affluent area with just local traffic. And BTW, it's a $200 citation.

I think this was a case of profiling and the cop needed to find a cause for the stop.

Tom Joad 12-17-2014 08:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by donquixote99 (Post 252883)
^^^racial profiling

Be very careful with all of them.

I think this country needs to have at least a generations worth of white male oppression to even up the score a bit.

Zeke 12-18-2014 10:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom Joad (Post 252916)
I think this country needs to have at least a generations worth of white male oppression to even up the score a bit.

Sigh...

You really just don't get it, do you?

There is no "evening up the score." There is no "making it better."

The only thing that fixes this is if many minorities -- today -- stop acting entitled due to what happened to their great, great, great grandparents.

You're an asshole but you didn't oppress me even if, conceptually, your ancestors may have. You get the moniker by virtue of what you are, not what those who came before you may have been.

Get a grip.


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