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Ike Bana 12-08-2014 06:47 PM

Otherwise harmless cops...
 
...just fuckin' around with the burrheads on a Saturday afternoon.

On the local CBS news this evening in Chicago...4 white coppers escorting the peaceful "Black Lives Matter" demonstration on Saturday with the following blaring from the PA system of their unmarked cruiser:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snviTYMXn7I


http://cdn2-b.examiner.com/sites/def...?itok=VAFrkSt5
Lynyrd Skynyrd performing "Sweet Home Alabama" in 1977.

"The police are not here to create disorder, they're here to preserve disorder." - Richard J. Daley

donquixote99 12-08-2014 09:29 PM

Don't you dare say it's racist! That's just prejudice against the proud confederate history of Alabama, adopted here by the Chicago Police ... just because they dig fucking with the burrheads. :(

Tom Joad 12-08-2014 09:49 PM

Bull Conner would be proud.

Ike Bana 12-09-2014 08:56 AM

The Chicago chapter of the Fraternal order of Coppers suggested that maybe the song just by chance happened to come on the radio and the Skynyrd fans in the cruiser were just enjoying it. Honest to fucking Christ. When asked why it was necessary for their personal enjoyment to pipe it through the cruiser's PA and then roll up their windows so they couldn't actually hear it quite so good, the Fraternal Order of Coppers went back to their typical and historical "no comment."

Any comment Zeke? Maybe a bad, white, racist copper here and there? Maybe a bad copper of any color?

MrPots 12-09-2014 11:20 AM

And if any other citizen did the same they'd be arrested for disturbing the peace. Fucking cops.....

Maybe we need to go back the the old 60' moniker and start calling them "pigs" again......

Tom Joad 12-09-2014 04:34 PM

I like Eminem's version better.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_XXt5YyuOE

piece-itpete 12-10-2014 12:17 PM

Why are all these long time Dem (or in NYs case pretty liberal at least) strongholds having trouble with the cops?

Pete

Rajoo 12-10-2014 12:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by piece-itpete (Post 252127)
Why are all these long time Dem (or in NYs case pretty liberal at least) strongholds having trouble with the cops?

Pete

Militarization of police I think. Heck, our town of about 42K residents where there has been a total of four murders in the last 12 years, has a SWAT team. Go figure. We have a 42/34 Pub/Dem ratio.

donquixote99 12-10-2014 02:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by piece-itpete (Post 252127)
Why are all these long time Dem (or in NYs case pretty liberal at least) strongholds having trouble with the cops?

Pete

For the most part, that's where the targets are.

But the troublesome Walmart shooting was in Beavercreek, one of the nice Republican suburbs around here....

CarlV 12-10-2014 03:23 PM

The police chief for my town walked with protesters for 4 hours yesterday (?).
http://www.contracostatimes.com/west...rotest-against

Carl

bobabode 12-10-2014 03:37 PM

That's cool. ^

Ike Bana 12-10-2014 04:09 PM

He's the man. Take note Zeke...for christ's sake.

sheltiedave 12-10-2014 04:27 PM

How dare he protest with all those entitled, low echelon criminals and unemployed folks who exist as parasites on our wholesome white macroculture. He is demeaning all the hardworking police in St. Louis who have served to protect us from evil.

Rajoo 12-10-2014 05:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ike Bana (Post 252163)
He's the man. Take note Zeke...for christ's sake.

Zeke, here is a book should read before you respond. :)

http://www.theiacp.org/portals/0/pdfs/BuildingTrust.pdf

piece-itpete 12-11-2014 09:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CarlV (Post 252156)
The police chief for my town walked with protesters for 4 hours yesterday (?).
http://www.contracostatimes.com/west...rotest-against

Carl

That's a nice thing.

Pete

Tom Joad 12-11-2014 04:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CarlV (Post 252156)
The police chief for my town walked with protesters for 4 hours yesterday (?).
http://www.contracostatimes.com/west...rotest-against

Carl

A good Cop!

Just when, thanks to Zeke, I was beginning to think there weren't any left.

BlueStreak 12-11-2014 04:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by piece-itpete (Post 252127)
Why are all these long time Dem (or in NYs case pretty liberal at least) strongholds having trouble with the cops?

Pete

Because in other parts of the country..........the bigots have won.

Dave

Ike Bana 12-11-2014 07:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom Joad (Post 252290)
A good Cop!

Just when, thanks to Zeke, I was beginning to think there weren't any left.

And I'm gonna say that Zeke's conspicuous absence from this thread suggests the specious quality of his argument on this subject. C'mon Zeke...get on here and tell us all about how this cop is a moronic sack of shit just like everybody here and anybody in this country supporting the victims in these incidents.

Tom Joad 12-11-2014 07:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ike Bana (Post 252298)
And I'm gonna say that Zeke's conspicuous absence from this thread suggests the specious quality of his argument on this subject. C'mon Zeke...get on here and tell us all about how this cop is a moronic sack of shit just like everybody here and anybody in this country supporting the victims in these incidents.

I can't say as I blame Zeke for being absent.

If I had spiraled out of control and had a complete online meltdown like he did the other day I think I would be looking to hide out for a while myself.

Ike Bana 12-12-2014 07:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom Joad (Post 252300)
I can't say as I blame Zeke for being absent.

If I had spiraled out of control and had a complete online meltdown like he did the other day I think I would be looking to hide out for a while myself.

Zeke had a meltdown? FUCK THAT!!!!! BWAAAAAHAHAH!!!

piece-itpete 12-12-2014 12:28 PM

While I've have huge disagreements with Zeke - he's a leftie - I would bet he's happy to see something like this.

I noticed the cop doesn't say hands up don't shoot.

Pete

Zeke 12-13-2014 12:57 PM

Every life matters.

But if you threaten an officer with his/hers, you might lose yours.

Not complex.

"Meltdown?" Hell, I got bored...

Tom Joad 12-13-2014 01:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zeke (Post 252451)
"Meltdown?" Hell, I got bored...

Bored my ass.

You had a total emotional breakdown in front of everyone and had to go hide for three days.

And you expect black dudes to put up with the shit they do and not act out in anger when you can't even handle the heat of an internet forum?

You're weak Zeke.

It even rhymes.

"Zeke the weak"

Zeke 12-13-2014 01:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom Joad (Post 252458)
Bored my ass.

You had a total emotional breakdown in front of everyone and had to go hide for three days.

And you expect black dudes to put up with the shit they do and not act out in anger when you can't even handle the heat of an internet forum?

You're weak Zeke.

It even rhymes.

"Zeke the weak"

If you think that was a meltdown, you haven't read much of my stuff.

That was me mildly amused.

CarlV 12-15-2014 06:41 PM

More fun locally. The Police officer's union who fairly recently lost a big court case trying to cost him his job, mainly due to false testimony, started blowing more crap at him.

Quote:

"The Richmond Police Officers' Association does not tolerate or condone illegal actions by any member of the department, including the chief," Wilkinson wrote in an email. "By violating the law and then claiming the ends justify the means, the chief dishonored the department."
California government code 3206 reads, "No officer or employee of a local agency shall participate in political activities of any kind while in uniform."
Union president Hector Esparza did not respond to calls and an email seeking comment. Three Richmond police officers, who declined to give their names for fear of retribution, said the rank and file is divided over the chief's actions.
Link
So the mayor-elect Tom Butt who has been distributing most all official city business in an email list sent this response out today.

Quote:

Dear RPOA Members and other RPD Personnel:



As you may have seen late last week, the POA raised a concern about a decision I made to hold a “Black Lives Matter” sign when a group of other command staff and I visited with residents, many of them young people, at a non-violent, entirely peaceful protest held near the RYSE Youth Center on Macdonald Ave. last Tuesday.

We went to this protest to make sure things remained peaceful and to reinforce the idea that we were open to dialogue with the protesters about police issues. The people attending the protest were a friendly mix of neighborhood residents, activists, individuals involved in various local churches and non-profit groups, and youth. I was asked several questions by a young woman of color, who then inquired if I would hold a “Black Lives Matter” sign. I could have declined, but the message we are continuously trying to send to the community is that our department really DOES care about all lives—including black lives—and that we want the best possible relationships with every segment of the public we serve.

The complaint is that the sign I held was “political” and that I was therefore engaging in political activity while in uniform (an alleged violation of the California Government Code). I respectfully disagree that it is “political” to hold a sign in uniform that says, “Black Lives Matter” when visiting a local protest where the vast majority of participants are skeptical about police commitment to equal justice. I understand that some people see this differently, but I contend that what I did was reach out and commit to members of the black community that our department believes in treating them with fairness, justice, and respect. It is completely consistent with our Mission, our community policing efforts, and our underlying commitment to the public that “All Lives Matter”, INCLUDING black lives. Most importantly, it conveys that we want to build bridges and strengthen relationships with persons of color in our city.

This was not about supporting a candidate, an election issue, or taking a position on any national-level case involving the police. I agree it is usually inappropriate to do these things in public, especially in uniform or identified as an RPD officer. On the other hand, I believe that making a very positive affirmation that “minority lives matter” is completely consistent with the basic principles of good policing.

So, where are the lines drawn when it comes to representing RPD in public, particularly when in uniform? Here are some guidelines that generally apply:

Does the message/conduct involve overt political activity? (e.g., “Vote for Candidate X” or “Support Ballot Measure Y”)—If yes, it’s probably not appropriate to represent the Richmond Police Department or to be in a uniform or clothing identifying yourself as a Richmond Police Officer to convey the endorsement or opposition.
Is the message/conduct consistent with the Mission and Goals of the Department?—If yes, it’s probably okay to convey it in uniform if approved by the Department’s Administration.
Is the message/conduct consistent with the Department’s community policing efforts?—If yes, it will likely be approved by the Department’s Administration and can be done in uniform.

I have consistently been a proud supporter of our department and have stood behind our officers under many circumstances, including a number of occasions when public opinion was highly critical. That does not mean I subscribe to an “Us versus Them” approach to running the department or handling issues that are raised by the community. Let me be clear that interacting with community residents at a peaceful, local event does not equal support for the violence, rioting, or anti-police sentiment connected to similarly themed demonstrations in other places. I will say the same thing to you that I said to folks at the protest: I will consistently stand behind good policing and tough decisions that RPD officers make—but I will not defend misconduct, unjust treatment of the public, or poor service.

We are very fortunate to have much stronger relationships with members of the Richmond community than many police officers have with their residents in a number of other cities around the country. These partnerships have helped us significantly reduce crime and build strong support for our public safety efforts. Looking back historically, persons of color have not enjoyed the same kind of relationship with law enforcement that we are trying to make “the norm” in our city. Thank you for all the hard work YOU have done towards bringing about this change and for your future efforts.

I understand and respect the opinions of those who disagree with me, but as Chief, it is my job to make the best decisions I can about how to represent our department. That said, I always welcome your input, feedback, suggestions, and ideas because it helps me do my job better.
Regards,
Chief Magnus

Carl

Zeke 12-16-2014 12:04 AM

Throwing the book at this guy is dumb.

I would support a sign saying "XXX" lives have meaning regardless of the variable.

The important thing to recall? So does an officer's.

Put an officer in danger of his life? Get the force required to maintain his/her safety.


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