Good Choke
 

Grand jury in Staten Island declines to indict officer who killed unarmed Eric Garner with a chokehold. Officer says it was an accident, he didn't realize he was choking the man.

Assumed the guy was lying when he said "I can't breathe" I guess. Natural mistake. He probably heard the joke about the first black guy on a submarine, when he was a kid, like I did. Punch line was "...you know how these niggers lie."

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/04/ny...rner.html?_r=0

I watched the video and I can't believe the grand jury didn't send this one to trial. It makes me suspect that there was some kind of jury intimidation going on. Probably very subtle so as to be plausibly denied.

I like the title you picked btw.:)

i am tired of hearing most cops are good

there îs a culture that is not good in the police departments across the country

people get assaulted by cops all the time for petty crimes and wind up with resisting arrest charges! cops literally throw punches when people are totally cooperative just because they feel like it then cover the marks they leave by adding more serious charges.

it's time to start talking about the bad ones, they are all supposed to be good ones.

Me too.

If there were really good cops out there they would be pissed at shit like this and would be putting the pressure on to weed out the bad ones. Instead they just keep covering for them. That makes them accessories as far as I am concerned.

According to Peter King, he died because he was fat.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/1...n_6265748.html

I suppose we should all stay in shape, so that when a cop chokes you, your chances of survival increase?

The caring nature of a Republican is so heartwarming.

Dave

Here are some examples:

http://theweek.com/article/index/273...garner-verdict

Yeah, I have to draw the line on this one. There was something very wrong that happened in this case.

It may not be the case that it was legally wrong. Just wrong.

Like, say, what actually happened?

1. Offender had a long criminal record dating back 35 years.
2. Was illegally selling taxable items (multiple times).
3. Refused to comply.
4. CONTINUED to refuse to comply once engaged.
5. Got himself accidentally killed.

Easiest way to avoid this?

6. Don't commit criminal activity.
7. Comply when legally detained.

He had since 1980 (first arrest) to figure this out... :rolleyes:

If no one ever committed a crime or in the event they are accosted by LE and behaved like perfect gentlemen, there would be very little need for cops. Policing will become a lonely job since eight cops cannot show up to arrest a jaywalker.

1. Policing is a "lonely job."
2. This guy wasn't a jaywalker.

The situation sucks but the police didn't create it.

change the culture of cops

he wasn't very differant

1. As I understand it, the police violated NYC "chokehold" rules.

2. Does being a purveyor of illicit cigarettes, even a habitual one, carry a death sentence? No.

3. "I can't breathe." generally means someone can't breathe and you should probably get the f**k off of his neck so he can.......because being a petty tax cheat is not a crime punishable by death.

That's how I see it.

Dave

That's going to take something pretty damned drastic, but I'm all for it.

I think a whole lot of Cops are going to have to be replaced.

Maybe we should do something with cops like Ronald Regan did with the Air Traffic Controllers.**

** that oughta wind up the badgelickers.:)

He was thirty-five years of arrests different.

"I can't breathe?" Mimics the feigned heart attacks I've seen pulled multiple times. You cannot trust what a detainee says until submitted and -- typically -- not even then.

In theory, someone might claim that, post submission, officers were negligent for not recognizing situational reality of actual distress (depends upon what they did) but the actual takedown indicates no specific malice.

As for a violation related to the 1993 ban of choke holds, you'll have to prove intent when applied, not what occurred during an arresstee provoked scuffle that was very fluid.

Sum? If the career criminal submits to rightful law, he's alive right now.

I don't think the people protesting understand the ramifications of what they want. It is typically not the white people that the cops are trying to protect from predators. It is the very blacks that are demanding that the cops back off. And, they are the ones who will suffer if the cops back off. It's nuts.

And, cops killed almost three times more whites than blacks. So yeah, blacks are really being targeted.

So much for you being a numbers guy Zero. :rolleyes:

There are 5 times more whites. They killed 3 times more whites. And, blacks commit violent crime at about 10 times the rate.

So, yeah. They are really targeting blacks.

that's great!

thanks for sharing

good grief:cool:

cops are out of control

many cops become cops so they can be out ôf control

killing folks because your tough guy act gives you a hard on or because you are a frightened little mouse just means you should never have been given the job

we need major changes in policing

we can start by taking away their guns and prosecuting the cowboys

How about less than 1% of blacks killed are by whites.

Pesky statistics.

The job as described (engage until compliance) could be done by a robot with the IQ of a rodent. Police are expected to function at a human level, which would include not killing people for selling loose cigarettes.

Hell, robots might do better, as they wouldn't get pissed.

He said "I can't breathe" eleven times. Where did all that air come from?

Looks like Zerolink is echoing Medved, not a big surprise. But as usual, it is a numbers game intended to fool people by not taking into consideration population distribution.

Talk show host: Police kill more whites than blacks

http://www.politifact.com/punditfact...whites-blacks/

I understand how these [scumbags] lie, but I think he demonstrated his sincerity by dying.

No, he died because he felt he was entitled to.

As was clearly explained on the evening news, the prosecutor and only the prosecutor decides what evidence the grand jury will and will not see. And since the prosecutor has to work so closely with the police department, an incestuous relationship so to speak, prosecutors routinely steer the juries away from prosecution by allowing only evidence that show the officer in the best possible light, even in cases where police misconduct is obvious. There certainly is ample evidence of that fact. And the opposite is true of the defense as the prosecutor will want a guilty verdict. In the case of the defense the grand jury will only see the most incriminating evidence and all evidence to the contrary will be withheld. This has been happening for decades as evidenced by all the black folks being released from prison after being found innocent.

Basically the entire grand jury system is perverted and corrupt and has no place in a system of "justice".

As civilians, we're fucked from the word go in this country with a corrupt political process and a corrupt judicial process. And oddly we don't even have the good sense to blush when we criticize the same actions in other nations.

Another one of Zero's many many unsubstantiated lies.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...-other-blacks/

A very good post Mr. Pots and to the point.

Plus 1

Thank you

There was a guy on T.V. a little while ago trying to shill his private police force idea to city governments in the upper midwest. One comment he made that grabbed my attention, because I happen to know it's true;

"Do you hire ex-military?"

"We do, but you have to vet those guys very carefully. Some of them go off to places like Afghanistan and discover that they enjoy cruelty and killing. Not something you want on your civilian police force. You want cops who desire to serve the community, not rabid killers who need an excuse."

Dave

No shit.

LOL! It's the cheese, I'm telling you! Once they've tasted the government cheese, they want everything, they want it now and they want it free.
:rolleyes:

Dave

His voice slowly fades to nothing. As I understand it, asthma causes ones throat to constrict, cutting off airflow within a few minutes. They don't die immediately, the air is slowly choked off until they either take a hit from the breather......or die.

See what I'm sayin'?

Dave

I believe that many LEOs join the force with good intentions. I also think many of them learn prejudices and on the job. I think immersion with the dregs of society, over time, gives LEOs a feeling of superiority over the criminal element that carries over to the general population. I also believe that they share this with each other and that is where a lot of the culture comes from. Point being, I don't think it would be easy to screen officers for that potential before they are hired.

Sure, you can't screen people for what they might become after you hire them. But you can try to detect baggage they might be carrying before you hire them.

Dave

A polygraph and psyche evaluation is pretty standard. :)

So, it is a huge 7.6 % . You should feel so much better.

Oh, I'm sure it is. It would have to be. Now, whether each and every location does it thoroughly........who knows?

Dave