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Ike Bana 11-04-2014 03:08 PM

I'm sure all the Burger King's in Denmark...
 
...are going broke and closing down all over the country because the government of Denmark insists that corporations pay their worker's a living wage and provide decent benefits.:rolleyes:

https://scontent-a-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/...cf&oe=54D4CF0B

This country really sucks in so many ways.

finnbow 11-04-2014 05:30 PM

Same goes for Germany. A CEO and a janitor get the same vacation and health benefits. Somehow, we been led to believe that this will somehow kill our economy.

FWIW, McDonalds in Germany isn't despicably awful like it is here. You can get a beer, decent baked goods and good espresso drinks instead of warmed-over mystery meat.

Tom Joad 11-04-2014 06:02 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxXhjFvNNGc

Ike Bana 11-04-2014 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by finnbow (Post 247042)
Same goes for Germany. A CEO and a janitor get the same vacation and health benefits. Somehow, we been led to believe that this will somehow kill our economy.

FWIW, McDonalds in Germany isn't despicably awful like it is here. You can get a beer, decent baked goods and good espresso drinks instead of warmed-over mystery meat.

The McDonald's in Paris were always so packed it was 10 deep at the counter. In Paris for christ's sake.

donquixote99 11-04-2014 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Ike Bana (Post 247065)
The McDonald's in Paris were always so packed it was 10 deep at the counter. In Paris for christ's sake.

Gotta get those 'Royalles avec fromage....' :)

nailer 11-04-2014 11:30 PM

I just happened to spend an hour plus today talking with a young Englishman who has lived in Dallas the past three years. During our conversation he noted that the quality of life in England was better than in the US for those living on less than $50,000 a year.

Tom Joad 11-04-2014 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by nailer (Post 247076)
I just happened to spend an hour plus today talking with a young Englishman who has lived in Dallas the past three years. During our conversation he noted that the quality of life in England was better than in the US for those living on less than $50,000 a year.

Of course it is.

The NHS benefits alone that the English have is worth at least $15,000 a year for a family.

nailer 11-04-2014 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Ike Bana (Post 247033)
...are going broke and closing down all over the country because the government of Denmark insists that corporations pay their worker's a living wage and provide decent benefits.:rolleyes:

https://scontent-a-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/...cf&oe=54D4CF0B

This country really sucks in so many ways.

A recent thread on AK regarding our improved industrial competitiveness noted that the average wage for an American CNC opreator is $20/hr, and in Mexico it's $5 which is about the same as China. It's all relative, and sooner or later globalization will impact places like Denmark, though not as intensely as is happening here.

merrylander 11-05-2014 06:07 AM

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Originally Posted by nailer (Post 247078)
A recent thread on AK regarding our improved industrial competitiveness noted that the average wage for an American CNC opreator is $20/hr, and in Mexico it's $5 which is about the same as China. It's all relative, and sooner or later globalization will impact places like Denmark, though not as intensely as is happening here.

Keep on telling yourself that if it makes you happy. I guess you don't know many Danes.

JBS... 11-05-2014 06:55 AM

Denmark population 5 mil

Personal Income Tax Rate 56%

Sales Tax Rate 25%

Oh yea they have it made in Denmark :rolleyes:

Ike Bana 11-05-2014 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by JBS... (Post 247086)
Denmark population 5 mil

Personal Income Tax Rate 56%

Sales Tax Rate 25%

Oh yea they have it made in Denmark :rolleyes:

Right wingnut oversimplifications. So their tax rates are higher, so fucking what? Money in money out. Our health care system, which costs over twice GDP what the system in Denmark costs should be more than enough to pound into your thick Hannityesque skull that taxes are far from the worst, and most unfair burdens on the people. Does it matter whether it comes out of our pockets via taxes, or via increased health care premiums, increased health care costs, increased pharmaceutical costs, increased end of life care costs? It sure fucking does...when it's costing us double what it has to because we're idiots who bought the "we should hate taxes and love corporate profits" shell game from the voodoo econ vampires in the Reagan Admin.

The Danes most definitely have it made. For one other reason...they're not Americans who want what they want, want it right fucking now, and want somebody else to pay for it. :rolleyes:...indeed.

donquixote99 11-05-2014 08:22 AM

JBS, I'm sure you've presented a complete, fair, and accurate picture.

Ha. Ha.

nailer 11-05-2014 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by merrylander (Post 247084)
Keep on telling yourself that if it makes you happy. I guess you don't know many Danes.

What do you think I'm telling myself to make me happy?

If it makes you happy to think Globalization and the related economic changes that are occuring isn't going to eventually impact the Danes your welcome to your delusion. Being a far more cohesive and enlightened than most nations/cultures, the impact will be less adverse for the Danes.

merrylander 11-05-2014 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by nailer (Post 247104)
What do you think I'm telling myself to make me happy?

If it makes you happy to think Globalization and the related economic changes that are occurring isn't going to eventually impact the Danes your welcome to your delusions. Being a far more cohesive and enlightened than most nations/cultures, the impact will be less adverse for the Danes.

The Danes (and I know more than a few) know that their lifestyle is exactly what they want and I see few if any Danish companies deserting their nation as ours do here.

Tom Joad 11-05-2014 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by JBS... (Post 247086)
Denmark population 5 mil

Personal Income Tax Rate 56%

Sales Tax Rate 25%

Oh yea they have it made in Denmark :rolleyes:

If I were to see a number Danish citizens living in Denmark making statements like that I would have to give them some credibility.

However, coming from a lone bagger with your rep?

Not so much.

finnbow 11-05-2014 09:45 AM

By several standards, Denmark is considered the happiest country on earth.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/1...n_4070761.html

nailer 11-05-2014 10:52 AM

Denmark is a great place to live because all Danes are essentially haves. Wonder how easy it is to emigrate to Denmark and become a citizen?

Ike Bana 11-05-2014 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by nailer (Post 247118)
Denmark is a great place to live because all Danes are essentially haves. Wonder how easy it is to emigrate to Denmark and become a citizen?

Easy for us...the blonde has dual US/Ireland citizenship. She's a citizen of the EU. So we can drop down and dig in anywhere in the EU. I'm retired, she's semi-retired. And I'll tell ya what...it's more than just a little attractive to us these days. We've both pretty much had a gut-full of idiotic Americans and their fucked up social, political, and fiscal attitudes. Particularly the whining about taxes and then, for instance, turning around and demanding that the town we live in build a new $20 million aquatic center for their children who have nothing to do all winter. Apparently the "Y" isn't good enough for Chevy Suburban helicopter soccer mom Mary and Escalade investment banker country club John. Tell your children to get their asses up from the laptop or ipad and go jump in a snow drift if they're bored.

We each have a sibling, single male, who are pretty disabled and require help on a regular basis. Walking away from them, and the rest of family at this point in our lives would be tough. But after spending some time in Italy, France, England, Ireland and a few others it's very tempting. Just knowing we would never have to look at another goddamn Medicare Supplement summary sheet to try to figure out how we can reduce the butt-fucking we get from the insurance industry every year just about does it.

donquixote99 11-05-2014 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by nailer (Post 247118)
Denmark is a great place to live because all Danes are essentially haves.

Not an accident. Others may aspire to emulate.

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Originally Posted by nailer (Post 247118)
Wonder how easy it is to emigrate to Denmark and become a citizen?

You made me curious. I looked. Seems (on the surface anyway) that they want workers. If you can line up a job, you can get a work permit. Further, after 5 years, you can get permanent residency by jumping through some hoops (be a good 'citizen' in various ways, pass a Danish language test, etc). Any of your children born in Denmark will have your original nationality unless the other parent is a Dane, then they can be Danish.

It is easy for a national of one of the other Nordic countries to convert to Danish nationality--they can do it basically as they wish. But for other foreign nationals to get Danish Nationality takes an Act of Parliament. I did not extend my researches into what it takes for this to happen. Basically, there's a committee, my guess is that what the committee says goes, and that since Parliament is doing it, there may be politics to it....

piece-itpete 11-05-2014 12:18 PM

Wiki says you have to live there 9 years: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danish_nationality_law

I can get UK citizenship and it never occurred to me I'd have free reign in the EU, thanks Ike.

Pete

finnbow 11-05-2014 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by donquixote99 (Post 247148)
You made me curious. I looked. Seems (on the surface anyway) that they want workers. If you can line up a job, you can get a work permit. Further, after 5 years, you can get permanent residency by jumping through some hoops (be a good 'citizen' in various ways, pass a Danish language test, etc). Any of your children born in Denmark will have your original nationality unless the other parent is a Dane, then they can be Danish.

That could be tough. Danish sounds like a German throwing up.;)

merrylander 11-05-2014 03:08 PM

Having dual citizenship and Canada being a member of the Commonwealth Oz or New Zealand would be easy. But the Canadian Maritimes are as close to Nirvana as you can get.:)

icenine 11-05-2014 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by nailer (Post 247076)
I just happened to spend an hour plus today talking with a young Englishman who has lived in Dallas the past three years. During our conversation he noted that the quality of life in England was better than in the US for those living on less than $50,000 a year.

I think that may be starting to change...it is still very much a class society and the recession has really hurt the UK. Those protests a few years back were evidence of this.


Of course their health care is better but you may have to wait for elective surgeries...but so do many here.

MrPots 11-05-2014 06:02 PM

I've found that when traveling abroad for awhile, A Burger king, even A McDonalds cheeseburger tastes pretty damned good..... :D

icenine 11-05-2014 07:54 PM

I always made a point of hitting them in Singapore, Okinawa (expensive) and other places.
It is called McDoo in the Philippines.

finnbow 11-05-2014 08:18 PM

The only McDonalds in Germany I'd hit with any frequency was in Garmisch-Partenkirchen. We'd pick up a quarter-pounder and a beer for the drive home from skiing. In this country, the only things they have that I can stomach are a couple of breakfast items and coffee.

icenine 11-05-2014 08:48 PM

The Jalapeno double at McDonalds is probably very unhealthy but tastes really great.

Ike Bana 11-06-2014 07:17 AM

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Originally Posted by merrylander (Post 247172)
Having dual citizenship and Canada being a member of the Commonwealth Oz or New Zealand would be easy. But the Canadian Maritimes are as close to Nirvana as you can get.:)

I believe there are restrictions for anyone over 50 who wants to move to Canada. There are work restrictions, you can't just show up there without a job and be unemployed. And not everybody can get a work permit. I found this webpage:

http://www.howtomovetocanada.net/disc.htm

This was in the Q&A:

Quote:

Q: My wife and I are considering moving to Canada and want to be certain we can be covered by Canadian healthcare. We are both in excellent health but in our early 60's. What do we need to do to be eligible for healthcare?

A: In order to move to Canada, you will need to undergo a medical examination by a doctor from an approved list of physicians. (See pages 49-50 of HOW TO MOVE TO CANADA for more information about the exam.) If you and your wife pass that exam and are accepted by Canada as permanent residents, you will then be treated like any other Canadian.
So if you're over 50 you must pass a physical and be in good health so's you're not sucking up their healthcare dollars when you can be maltreated back in the good old USA.


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