How a SWAT team upended my baby’s life — and got away with it
 

This is really really disgusting.

How do these Cops sleep at night? :mad:

http://www.salon.com/2014/10/10/it_b..._away_with_it/

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Oh they do have many bad nights, no doubt. We should pity the poor cops.

I wonder who they were after that 'justified' the military-style assault?

Whomever it was, a Grand Jury of citizen peers found no police culpability. What else are you looking for? :confused:

• Tragic? To be sure.
• Unfortunate? No doubt.
• Prosecutable? No, by review.

And?

If you desire to blame something, blame an asinine and Republican (Nixon) launched War on Drugs not professionals paid to carry it out, using methods deemed legal, with tools readily available.

Of course Zeke.

According to you the Cops can do no wrong.

Blow a hole in a babies chest with a flashbang grenade?

No Problem!

Just well trained professionals doing their job.

Grand juries are tools of prosecutors, who can control the process enough to be pretty certain of getting the indictments they want, and virtually assured of not getting the ones they don't.

Given the presence of multiple children in the home, I must question whether due diligence was employed in verifying the targeting the house. In any case, only a previous record of assault on officers would justify the pre-emptive employment of weapons like 'flash-bangs,' and 'firing blind' with any weapon is negligent on the face of it.

I have no doubt that the family will recover for civil negligence in this case, unless the police are shielded by special provisions of the law in their favor. The only thing to discuss is whether the use of the flash-bang weapon in the circumstances rises to the level of criminal assault. I'm sure it would in the case of civilians, but again, the police may have special immunity under the law.

Tell me Zeke, would you toss a flash-bang into a dark room without knowing who was in it, to catch a person wanted for drug dealing, but not for a violent crime?

I might.

There are TONS of potential factors involved.

Nice dodge.

So tell us a few of these tons of factors, that would make it Ok to toss a flash-bang into a dark room without knowing who was in it, to catch a person wanted for drug dealing, but not for a violent crime.

An end to the no knock warrant and elimination of SWAT teams, leave that sort of thing to the National Guard.

Because after they have planted the drugs* they get to seize the house and all other possessions.

* just in case they did not find any.

What dodge?

You're just mad you didn't achieve a simpleton yes/no from your elaborate (failed) trap. :rolleyes:

Mad? Why would I be mad? And you call that elaborate? And a trap? I am not trying to trap you. I am trying to debate, in a constructive way. Object is either I understand your POV, or you acknowledge that you are defending very questionable stuff. Acknowledge to yourself, that is--I certainly don't expect a public climbdown....

Your response was 'yes sometimes.' If you can, please explain to us how this can be justified sometimes.

You are, without a doubt, the worst excuse for a human being that ever walked the face of the Earth.

Next to you Adolph Hitler looks like Mr. Rogers.

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Blowing a hole in a baby's chest is never explained away in an enlightened society, or accepted as allowable collateral damage, by anyone.

Allowing a police force to operate without any public accountability is the best possible sign that the laws don't apply to either side. You have joined the criminals by your verbiage and by your justifications....

You are killing the very public whose safety you have sworn to protect.

Merely proves you don't use mirrors... :rolleyes:

Use of the word "never" makes any argument fundamentally false.

That's a pretty skinny tree you're hiding behind....

The 'never' is ordinary conversational emphasis, and the basic point remains if you modify it to 'just about never.'

Killing a toddler is not the defining moment of a police force. Here the important word, when used in an inflective moment, is "the." Parsing away a police raid fuck up is your MO, which we have come to expect. The police shortcomings are always forgiven in your brave new world.

You used to be an understanding individual, but somewhere you lost that gene.

If the basic point is "absolutely there are reasons to take such actions."

Some do try to run their department properly.

"Understanding" and failure to be rational are rapidly becoming analogous to societal apologists.

Truth is that overwhelming force is demanded when policing an entitled and/or grotesquely armed population.

What occurs is what occurs. That's the way of the world.

You don't really think that was Sheltie's basic point. That you would say that makes you too full of shit to talk to.

Gawd, Hills. Do you approve of this flashbang use? If not, WTF are you doing posting this distorted political irrelevancy in this thread? Oh, I remember now. You're a 'cop family' and this thread must bug you some.

Anyway, that's a wretched site you linked to. Propaganda-level commentary aside (criminal-in-chief?), it's packed with intrusive adware and chain-linked to a dodgey 'celebrity' site. Evil side of the web, basically. I sure wouldn't want to be associated with it by posting it in one of my messages....

Ya know Zeke, although you claim to be a "Native American", you must also have an awful lot of white DNA in you for you to be such an asshole.

Did you notice he misused the word 'analogous?' Stuff like that kind of fucks-up the pseudo-intellectual affectations....

With all his written words, he must think that was a successful raid. No cop was injured, they maintained control of the incident, and there was only a little collateral damage.

Isn't it amazing how the new cop speak has removed the word human from all decision making, and reduced all situations to protect yourself? Why and when did "serve and protect" disappear?

It's 'persecute and enslave' nowadays :eek:

The police arming because of an armed population is BS! Although already happening it ramped up in earnest after 9-11.

Pete

I note, per usual, you are unable to negate the argument...

Straw men. Try beating the argument.

Oh wait, you can't...

White man speak with forked tongue.

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"For those who don’t know, it’s been over five months since the night a SWAT team broke into the house in which we were staying. It was the middle of the night, and even though our minivan with car seats inside was parked in the driveway and our children’s toys were in the yard, the SWAT officers claimed they had no way of knowing there were kids inside. We were staying with relatives and my whole family was sleeping in one room. My husband and I, our three daughters and our baby (nicknamed “Baby Bou Bou”) in his crib."

Grotesquely armed with children's toys? Is it the position today that you cannot be a SWAT team member if your IQ is greater than your age.

Not always true, which is why I am giving you a pass.

That said, you evoke race as ANY semblance of a pseudo argument?

Fucking loser.

What does being the principle police apologist, completely stocked with all the latest law enforcement verbology, make you?

I would say you are a chronic recidivist enabler of police misconduct.

1. Trained professional alive.
2. Drugged robber attacker dead.

I'd say that makes me in the right.

You obviously have mentioned all factors of any importance to you. Dead civilians (other thread) or half-blown-up-babies (this thread) don't make the list.

Don, just say no mas. Perpetrators, suspects, persons of interest, drugged assailants are all part of the modern vernacular. Civilians and babies are not. Collateral damage is as close as the modern police force can come to saying innocents.

I'm glad I went through my teenage years back in the 70s, when a cop walking up to you would rather say hi than unbolster his gun before speaking.

Rule 1: the cop is always right.
Rule 2: if the cop is ever wrong, shut up or you're dead.

"Support your local police, or we'll kill you."

Sad thing is, he'll find the above slogans likable and amusing. He'll want them on his bumper.

I'm 59 and remember Pigs.