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Zeke 09-27-2014 11:21 PM

Ferguson, MO, Police Officer Shot...
 
Developing, I'll let this stand on its own...

LINK.

Rajoo 09-28-2014 11:24 AM

What did you expect, rose petals?

DOJ Gets Ferguson, St. Louis County Cops To Ban 'I Am Darren Wilson' Wristbands

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/0...n_5890436.html

I think the entire force needs to be disbanded since they seem to have lost all credibility regardless of the Grand Jury outcome, which now could extend into January 2115.

donquixote99 09-28-2014 11:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BeamOn (Post 243544)
DOJ Gets Ferguson, St. Louis County Cops To Ban 'I Am Darren Wilson' Wristbands

So will they go back to wearing their "I AM BRIETBART" wristbands?

Zeke 09-28-2014 12:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BeamOn (Post 243544)
What did you expect, rose petals?

Compliance with law? :rolleyes:

Rajoo 09-28-2014 12:21 PM

Laws get broken when enforcement gets overbearing and how revolutions come about. This world would be stagnant without revolutions.

And adding fuel to the fire.

KKK Raising Money For Police Officer Who Shot African-American Teen

http://www.mintpressnews.com/kkk-rai...n-teen/195417/

Nothing wrong with raising funds for a probable defense of Officer Wilson but by the Missouri KKK? That is rubbing salt over the wounds IMO.

Ike Bana 09-28-2014 03:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zeke (Post 243548)
Compliance with law? :rolleyes:

I expect that from coppers as well. Silly me.

Zeke 09-28-2014 06:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ike Bana (Post 243572)
I expect that from coppers as well. Silly me.

Then don't place an officer in a position of bodily harm.

SIMPLE.

Because certain actions are demanded if that occurs.

That's on YOU.

Ike Bana 09-29-2014 11:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zeke (Post 243587)
Then don't place an officer in a position of bodily harm.

SIMPLE.

Because certain actions are demanded if that occurs.

That's on YOU.

Like the coppers never put a non-threatening citizen in a position of bodily harm.:rolleyes:

Who's it on then?

Simple indeed. (PS - I can hear perfectly fucking well, Zeke.)

Zeke 09-29-2014 12:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ike Bana (Post 243633)
Like the coppers never put a non-threatening citizen in a position of bodily harm.:rolleyes:

Who's it on then?

Simple indeed. (PS - I can hear perfectly fucking well, Zeke.)

General observation seems to point out that you hear nothing at all or possess not an ability to process linear thought?

Sad, either way.

Ike Bana 09-29-2014 05:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zeke (Post 243651)
General observation seems to point out that you hear nothing at all or possess not an ability to process linear thought?

Y'always know when Zeke's had his ass handed to him on a plate. All he's got to come back with are pissy little insults about his opponent's cognitive processes. You gotta do better than this, Zeke...lest you lose whatever misguided cred you might once have had hereabouts.

MrPots 10-01-2014 10:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zeke (Post 243587)
Then don't place an officer in a position of bodily harm.

.

Why not? Police officers threaten bodily harm on innocent people every day...like the wall mart guy in Ohio.

It must be nice to be a police officer. To be above the law. To be able to threaten and intimidate and harass at will with immunity. To kill and injure innocent people and walk away with a smile, a big KKK donation and a public paid pension.

I have no respect for the police. They think they are better than the public they are supposed to be serving. The public from whom the police steal their paychecks.

Sorry if that puts us at odd Zeke. But respect has to be earned and somehow the nations policing forces have failed miserably. Probably has something to do with their total lack of control, lack of respect for the folks who pay their salaries, holier than thou attitude, extreme paranoia, and SWAT mentality on even the most innocent babe.

At one time they were there to protect and serve. Now their only purpose is to bully and intimidate, to be the bully lackeys of the white ruling class.

Zeke 10-01-2014 11:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrPots (Post 243817)
I have no respect for the police.

Which is why people get shot.

Nobody starts out thinking, "I'm going to shoot someone, today."

That's caused by the population.

Rajoo 10-01-2014 11:56 AM

When you are virtually guaranteed pension for life at the rate of 90% of your final pay (which often get padded), would you really give a shit what people think?

MrPots 10-01-2014 12:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zeke (Post 243840)
Which is why people get shot.

Nobody starts out thinking, "I'm going to shoot someone, today."

That's caused by the population.

Ahhh....

so it's a one way street then. The population must respect the police but the police are not obliged to respect the general population, even as they draw their salaries from that population...

Kinda lopsided huh?

nailer 10-01-2014 12:23 PM

Life in these United Military/Police States of America.

Since childhood I've understood that the Police are not my friend.

MrPots 10-01-2014 12:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nailer (Post 243851)
Life in these United Military/Police States of America.

Since childhood I've understood that the Police are not my friend.

At one time it was not this way. In my youth when I was young and rash I had a few run ins, some resulting from beer, some just driving too fast...., but they offered me respect and I gave it back. I saw the police more as sheriff Taylor than a threat.

I no longer have "run ins" but I observe they have become thugs, driving ugly thugmobiles designed to intimidate, demanding that everyone bow and scrape to their every demand. As if they are drill sergeants and the public are raw recruits needing discipline.

I used to enjoy watching Cops, until I realized I was watching the dawn of Nazi America where everyone must prostrate themselves in obedience to the presence of the exalted police. The cops went out looking for trouble, often making trouble where there was none. The police who can do anything they want, demand anything they want, take away rights on a whim. Today they can increasingly murder and maim at will, for no good reason, and fear no legal consequences. In short, little Nazi SS agents. Police work - a bullies wet dream.

My opinion on the police is pretty mainstream. I'm not a radical, I'm not a lawbreaker. I just call it as I see it.

Tom Joad 10-01-2014 06:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrPots (Post 243817)
Why not? Police officers threaten bodily harm on innocent people every day...like the wall mart guy in Ohio.

It must be nice to be a police officer. To be above the law. To be able to threaten and intimidate and harass at will with immunity. To kill and injure innocent people and walk away with a smile, a big KKK donation and a public paid pension.

I have no respect for the police. They think they are better than the public they are supposed to be serving. The public from whom the police steal their paychecks.

Sorry if that puts us at odd Zeke. But respect has to be earned and somehow the nations policing forces have failed miserably. Probably has something to do with their total lack of control, lack of respect for the folks who pay their salaries, holier than thou attitude, extreme paranoia, and SWAT mentality on even the most innocent babe.

At one time they were there to protect and serve. Now their only purpose is to bully and intimidate, to be the bully lackeys of the white ruling class.


That is exactly how I feel about it Potter.

Especially when it comes to Zeke.

Zeke 10-01-2014 08:22 PM

If you believe officers seek or generate problems, the issue is in your mirror.

donquixote99 10-01-2014 09:51 PM

Everyone thinks the other guy is the problem....

Rajoo 10-01-2014 10:08 PM

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/...icle-1.1960031

Every action has a reaction.

MrPots 10-02-2014 10:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zeke (Post 243889)
If you believe officers seek or generate problems, the issue is in your mirror.

Or perhaps officers have earned a reputation they need to work on.

Tom Joad 10-02-2014 12:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zeke (Post 243889)
If you believe officers seek or generate problems, the issue is in your mirror.

You're the one that needs to look in the mirror Zeke.

If you can get past your state of denial, this is what you will see:

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrPots (Post 243853)
I observe they have become thugs, driving ugly thugmobiles designed to intimidate, demanding that everyone bow and scrape to their every demand. As if they are drill sergeants and the public are raw recruits needing discipline.


sheltiedave 10-04-2014 01:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zeke (Post 243840)
Which is why people get shot.

Nobody starts out thinking, "I'm going to shoot someone, today."

That's caused by the population.

And that is where you are wrong. It seems that most police these days have been trained that every situation must be positively controlled by the police. This means if they feel threatened in any way, shape, or form, then they are entitles and empowered by whatever means necessary, including the use of deadly force, to control and remove the existence of said threat.

We, as a country, have gone from a point where we respected police because they represented the community as peacekeepers, to having the police demand respect because they are badasses that will fuck us up.

That is a quantum change from what society wants and expects. We hate dumb fucks, dipshits, and power tripping thugs that wear dark glasses, leather gloves, saps, stun guns, and fifteen round guns. Every time police forces increase and escalate their killing capability, we only slip farther away from the benign presence of years past.

Instead of community, we have ended up with an undertrained and trigger happy paramilitary that is routinely absolved by the courts of any occupational responsibility.

icenine 10-04-2014 02:41 PM

You know in the Third World (as in my wife's country the Philippines) the police are feared because of corruption and the power they have to arbitrarily throw you away without any writ of habeas corpus to protect you. They will also pull you over when you have done nothing wrong and demand a bribe so as to avoid a trip to the PNP police station. People are more afraid of the police than anything else.
You can look to the south toward Mexico if you think I do not know what I am talking about and see how bad corruption has had an impact on that nation.

I bet in Ferguson the average person does not have a 401k nor cannot even imagine having a job with a pension. But the people of that city and county are paying middle class salaries to cops and making sure they get their pensions through state and local taxes which the poor pay in Ferguson. And from what I can see and from eyewitnesses (some of whom are white by the way) who were there a person of color can be killed with excessive deadly force and the cop is basically off the hook by either a paperwork shuffle or in the case of Brown not even filing any sort of paperwork at all.

So I can see why people in Ferguson are pissed off. And I can see the developing world coming to Missouri and other places like it. Open carry? That is just the average joe wanting to play a cop. Open carry really only works for white people by the way. If the Walmart in Ohio is any indication.

Tom Joad 10-04-2014 02:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sheltiedave (Post 244048)
And that is where you are wrong. It seems that most police these days have been trained that every situation must be positively controlled by the police. This means if they feel threatened in any way, shape, or form, then they are entitles and empowered by whatever means necessary, including the use of deadly force, to control and remove the existence of said threat.

We, as a country, have gone from a point where we respected police because they represented the community as peacekeepers, to having the police demand respect because they are badasses that will fuck us up.

That is a quantum change from what society wants and expects. We hate dumb fucks, dipshits, and power tripping thugs that wear dark glasses, leather gloves, saps, stun guns, and fifteen round guns. Every time police forces increase and escalate their killing capability, we only slip farther away from the benign presence of years past.

Instead of community, we have ended up with an undertrained and trigger happy paramilitary that is routinely absolved by the courts of any occupational responsibility.

Good post!

merrylander 10-04-2014 03:19 PM

If all you have is a hammer everything looks like a nail.

If you are dressed in riot gear every assembly, peaceful or not, looks like a riot.

Rajoo 10-04-2014 03:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by merrylander (Post 244054)
If all you have is a hammer everything looks like a nail.

If you are dressed in riot gear every assembly, peaceful or not, looks like a riot.

Ever wonder why small municipalities (say population under 50K) have SWAT teams and armored vehicles?

hillbilly 10-04-2014 03:56 PM

Quick question while on the subject of cops. First, I know this cop I'm talking about, and second, I know this guy too. The guy rolls in to a gas station blasting profanity gangster music ( like he always does ) here in this town of under 1,000 people and the store owner doesn't like it, as none do. Cop warns and warns, but guy keeps doing it. Guy thinks he can blast away ( with his big system ) all he wants to. Then when the cop gives his last warning the guy still says he can blast away and fails to understand that the cop is trying to tell him ''not right here.''

The right here I'm refering to is a gas station and the owner doesn't have to put up with people pulling in and walking in the store leaving their car running with profanic rap BLASTING away while women and children are forced to hear it.

What should said cop do? I mean when he's given every warning he can give the guy and the guy keeps ignoring day after day... then pulls the race card after cop decides it's time to citate him? The cop didn't citate him.. as bad as he wanted to, that race card isn't easy to deal with and cop gets in his car and drives away. How do you deal with guys like that when they try to point the finger at the cop instead of complying with the law?

bobabode 10-04-2014 04:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hillbilly (Post 244056)
Quick question while on the subject of cops. First, I know this cop I'm talking about, and second, I know this guy too. The guy rolls in to a gas station blasting profanity gangster music ( like he always does ) here in this town of under 1,000 people and the store owner doesn't like it, as none do. Cop warns and warns, but guy keeps doing it. Guy thinks he can blast away ( with his big system ) all he wants to. Then when the cop gives his last warning the guy still says he can blast away and fails to understand that the cop is trying to tell him ''not right here.''

The right here I'm refering to is a gas station and the owner doesn't have to put up with people pulling in and walking in the store leaving their car running with profanic rap BLASTING away while women and children are forced to hear it.

What should said cop do? I mean when he's given every warning he can give the guy and the guy keeps ignoring day after day... then pulls the race card after cop decides it's time to citate him? The cop didn't citate him.. as bad as he wanted to, that race card isn't easy to deal with and cop gets in his car and drives away. How do you deal with guys like that when they try to point the finger at the cop instead of complying with the law?

As long as the volume level doesn't exceed legal standards and no laws are broken, it's free speech and protected.

bobabode 10-04-2014 04:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by merrylander (Post 244054)
If all you have is a hammer everything looks like a nail.

If you are dressed in riot gear every assembly, peaceful or not, looks like a riot.

Truth.

donquixote99 10-04-2014 04:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hillbilly (Post 244056)
Quick question while on the subject of cops. First, I know this cop I'm talking about, and second, I know this guy too. The guy rolls in to a gas station blasting profanity gangster music ( like he always does ) here in this town of under 1,000 people and the store owner doesn't like it, as none do. Cop warns and warns, but guy keeps doing it. Guy thinks he can blast away ( with his big system ) all he wants to. Then when the cop gives his last warning the guy still says he can blast away and fails to understand that the cop is trying to tell him ''not right here.''

The right here I'm refering to is a gas station and the owner doesn't have to put up with people pulling in and walking in the store leaving their car running with profanic rap BLASTING away while women and children are forced to hear it.

What should said cop do? I mean when he's given every warning he can give the guy and the guy keeps ignoring day after day... then pulls the race card after cop decides it's time to citate him? The cop didn't citate him.. as bad as he wanted to, that race card isn't easy to deal with and cop gets in his car and drives away. How do you deal with guys like that when they try to point the finger at the cop instead of complying with the law?

1) Have multiple independent witnesses, or video with sound, to assuage your fear of the confrontation.
2) Politely give him a noise citation (or whatever).

I don't why why you imagine this 'race card' is so awesome and powerful.

hillbilly 10-04-2014 04:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bobabode (Post 244057)
As long as the volume level doesn't exceed legal standards and no laws are broken, it's free speech and protected.

When you can hear it inside the store after the thick glass door is shut and have to speak up to be heard at the cash register then it is clearly too loud.

donquixote99 10-04-2014 04:36 PM

Around here, 'clearly too loud' is not what the noise ordinance says. Offenders must be caught by an officer wielding a decibel meter to make a noise ticket stick.

hillbilly 10-04-2014 04:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by donquixote99 (Post 244059)
1) Have multiple independent witnesses, or video with sound, to assuage your fear of the confrontation.
2) Politely give him a noise citation (or whatever).

I don't why why you imagine this 'race card' is so awesome and powerful.

How do you ''politely'' issue a noise citation to someone showing their ass yelling at you that they are right and you are singling him out because of race?

hillbilly 10-04-2014 04:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by donquixote99 (Post 244061)
Around here, 'clearly too loud' is not what the noise ordinance says. Offenders must be caught by an officer wielding a decibel meter to make a noise ticket stick.

If a cop is two cars behind you and can hear it with his windows down that is what they go by in some places.

donquixote99 10-04-2014 04:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hillbilly (Post 244062)
How do you ''politely'' issue a noise citation to someone showing their ass yelling at you that they are right and you are singling him out because of race?

SAY "Sir, I've observed [whatever] so I am citing you for [whatever].
IF behavior crosses line, ARREST on appropriate charge.
ELSE SAY "Sir, here is your ticket. Please sign Here. Sir, your court date is [whatever], or follow these instructions [point] to plead guilty and pay the fine. Have a good day."

Why is this stuff a mystery to anyone?

bobabode 10-04-2014 04:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hillbilly (Post 244064)
If a cop is two cars behind you and can hear it with his windows down that is what they go by in some places.

That would be an easy ticket to beat.

I'm not really defending someone being an obnoxious a-hole like this guy and his choice of music but I just ignore it or turn mine up.

Now if it were Patsy Cline at earsplitting levels...:D

hillbilly 10-04-2014 05:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by donquixote99 (Post 244065)
SAY "Sir, I've observed [whatever] so I am citing you for [whatever].
IF behavior crosses line, ARREST on appropriate charge.
ELSE SAY "Sir, here is your ticket. Please sign Here. Sir, your court date is [whatever], or follow these instructions [point] to plead guilty and pay the fine. Have a good day."

Why is this stuff a mystery to anyone?

It isn't a mystery to me. My nephew, and other cops have arrested him before. He road races too, and puts his Way Over The Speed Limit taking up both lanes in the rain on narrow 2 lane roads with no shoulder video's on FB to prove who has the biggest balls. And publicly posts his other illegal activity on FB also for the world to see. But it's always the cops fault for everything he does.

Glad I'm not a cop. Seen my family ( alot of them are cops ) deal with all kinds of nuts and sometimes it is all a cop can do to hold it in when they have to arrest someone for raping a child under the age of 11 and incest to boot. I believe we need more people to try their hand at being a cop before judging them in general.

Tom Joad 10-04-2014 06:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bobabode (Post 244057)
As long as the volume level doesn't exceed legal standards and no laws are broken, it's free speech and protected.

Exactly right.

I do favor noise ordinances, but if there isn't one, or if it's too weak, then you just have to put up with it. I recently moved and part of the reason, a good part, was that the neighbors on either side of me had barking dogs that were driving me nuts. There was a an ordinance but it was weakly worded so as to make it practically unenforceable.

Tom Joad 10-04-2014 06:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BeamOn (Post 244055)
Ever wonder why small municipalities (say population under 50K) have SWAT teams and armored vehicles?

It seems that since 9/11 they can get all kinds of federal money to buy fancy military shit. So they do because they like to play GI Joe.

In others words it's a bloated Federal "Toys for Cops" Gimmee Program.

http://online.wsj.com/articles/feder...ols-1410884584


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