18 and Dead.
 

Nothing new here.

My advice to young males is "don't be black".

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/0...n_5665935.html


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8O317T6Zlno

"Belmar said one of the men pushed the officer back into his squad car and the struggle began (emphasis added). Belmar said at least one shot was fired inside the police car."

Leaving out any racial or age-related undertones, if you do this to me?

You get shot.

Until you are no longer a threat.

If this winds up back out in the street because I am winning? That's on you. There is absolutely no justification -- even if I am harassing or threatening you -- for following me into a car where I can no longer do either. We can kick this around all week but there is no escaping that the kid assaulted law enforcement, who either retreated or was made to retreat, who then used deadly force to secure his own safety.

What, if anything, that happened before this (even if dastardly law enforcement behavior) eradicates not that there was no struggle until IN THE CAR. At face value, which is not always accurate, I do not see a problem with shooting this kid: beyond the shittiness that it actually occurred.

I'm sure there is a lot more to this story than what we have already heard.

What does "encountered" mean.

Were they up to no good?

Or did the officer do a George Zimmerman on them?

Cops routinely harass young black dudes just on general principles.

And I can understand why they get sick and tired of being profiled.

Yeah, you should never push a cop, but then that's easy to say when you're not having to take shit from them on a daily basis because of the way you look.

en·coun·ter

verb

past tense: encountered

unexpectedly experience or be faced with (something difficult or hostile).
"we have encountered one small problem"

synonyms: experience, hit, run into, come up against, face, be faced with, confront

Even if the worst case of what you're pointing out is true in this scenario, all bets are off once a sworn officer is pushed/followed into his car.

This isn't like Zims at all...

Doesn't tell me why the Cop "encountered" them.

Were they breaking the law?

Was it for "walking while black"?

Doesn't say much at all on which to base informed impressions of what occured, much like the initial reports of the Martin - Zimmerman encounter.

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Word is he was shot outside of the car with his hands in the air.

The police are not coming out with what really happened. This smells fishy to me.

Look for official and cellphone vids, or not. The absence of either or both will speak volumes.

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KMOX is presently reporting live rioting and looting, the usual opportunist criminal outburst to sully whatever this incident represents.

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I have a relative who's a State Trooper and is working this.
They've been ordered not to respond to theft, only threat of injury, and the looting is out of control. Major box stores being cleaned out miles from the incident, in neighboring communities.
Also threats to retaliate by killing a LEO's child. I have family members in that category less than 2 miles from current rioting.

You sure are a dumb ass lol give it a brake.

Of cource did you think anything less would happen. Same MO every time lets riot and steel other peoples stuff.

I never understood what all the looting is supposed to solve. Idiots.

I also don't understand why LEOs would be ordered to NOT respond to theft. WTF?

Dave

Too much mob, not enough LEO. Attempts to arrest looters would just lead to more shootings.

So, they just let it run it's course? When they're overwhelmed, I guess there is little choice. But still.

I'm also surprised that there are no shop owners hanging out front with their guns. So much for badass wingnuts standing their ground, eh?:rolleyes:

Dave

Who's word? Of course rumors are going to spread.

Because you'll wind up killing a guy over an insured microwave.

I get your point but it's a cost/benefit thing.

His buddy the gang banger talking to the media.;)

I see.

I'm still wondering where all of the gun-toting he-man wannabe rightwing heroes are. Probably cowering in their bunkers with three years worth of potted meat, cheez-wiz and Gatorade, listening to Alex Jones on the wind up radio. Dipshits.

Dave

I forgot the Glenn Beck approved Armageddon Proof Cucumber and Okra Seeds.

Dave

They're scared to death of black people.

We'll see.

I still want to know why these Cops accosted this kid in the first place.

There's an automatic assumption on the part of many white people including Cops that any young black dude out walking around the street is up to no good.

When people keep thinking that way, and acting on it, it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy.

They're scared to death of EVERYTHING.

Dave

Respectfully, you miss the point.

Even if the officer were initially out of line, you get shot when I retreat to my cruiser and you engage me, inside. Example? As much as I disdain Zims, I'd feel differently about his situation had he been forced to shoot Martin inside his own home (for whatever reason) as opposed to a public sidewalk.

See the difference?

Right.

If you can provoke someone into attacking you, you have every right to shoot them.

That's a little inconsistent with your views regarding the Israelis and the Palestinians isn't it?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWnDVW07_1c

I agree with you in wanting to know why the police officer stopped the kid in the first place. However I don't agree with the rest of the statement. Just because a police officer approached a black kid, doesnt mean the police officer was thinking the kid was up to no good.

Again, you're missing the point. :rolleyes:

Regardless of what precipitated anything in this case, pressing the attack against an entity who has retreated into an area of presumed safety universally recognized as theirs gets you shot. (i.e., if Trayvon had followed Zims into has house and gets wacked? That's on him regardless of what occurred, before.) The engagement occurred in a police cruiser. Are you trying to justify that?

Your Israel comparison is weak on two fronts:

1. Israel is the aggressor, not a victim.
2. Israel is FAR from universally recognized as rightfully possessing anything.

Dontcha think?

The best advice I ever got from the older guys in the neighborhood was just "yes sir...no sir" in response to any questions and "yes sir" in response to any instructions. I also received clear education that it was the morons who laid hands on the coppers, and if you do you get way worse than the piss beat outta you.

One night, I was about 16, a bunch of us were hanging out at the park and I made the mistake of getting pissed off and responding to a strong "go the fuck home kid" with an idiotic "I'll think about it." I ended up on my face in the street with a knee in my back and a knee on the back of my head. And when I got to the lock-up they almost knocked me out pitching me into an interview room and bouncing me off the back wall.

When they woke up my old man to come down to the precinct and get me it didn't get much better. He didn't like that I was beat up pretty bad, but he made the wise choice to take me home, rather than getting pissed off at them about it and me ending up charged with drunk and disorderly.

That said...I'm white so in the couple of cases where I took a beating, that was as far as it went. And almost everybody takes a beating sometimes from somebody.

And therein lies the rub, as you Shakespearean Scholars like to say.

I actually got stopped just the other day for making an illegal turn.

That's not that hard to do here in Mobile Alabama.

They have the most fucked up frontage road design in the world.

I'm retired FDOT and I can tell you that our traffic ops people would laugh their asses off if they could see it.

I was tempted to tell the Cop that, but instead I was just ultra respectful and got off with a warning.

Us 67 year old Graybeard's can generally pull that off.

But I can tell you this. If I had been born black I would be dead or in prison right now. There is no way I would put up with the shit they hae to take from Cops.

So you were always a little punk trouble maker huh?

It's not just here on the internet.

Wow I was with you up till this point. I guess American Indians are FAR from rightfully possessing anything with your logic.

Or African Americans

What of it, eh pissant?

I'm a nice guy in person.

I get rid of all my hostility by being an asshole on the internet.

Looks like the FBI is getting involved.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/nation...ry.html#page=1

I can understand this guys point of view.

It's similar to mine.

Another smart young man here.

"One younger man took a bullhorn and pleaded for the demonstrators to avoid arrests so they could attend more protests. “This is our time!” the young man shouted into the bullhorn. “Our grandparents and parents were attacked by [police] dogs, fire hoses. This is our time to do it the way they did it — nonviolently!”" LATimes

He has a place.

You need good guys and bad guys, just like the game the Cops play.

This kid can be the MLK good guy.

But there also needs to be a Stokley Carmichael out there to put the fear of God into whitey.