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Tom Joad 08-01-2014 03:17 PM

Why Republicans Lose
 
I just had to post this opinion piece by right winger David Horowitz.

It is so full of shit, but it gives you insight into how these assholes rationalize their positions.

http://dailycaller.com/2014/08/01/why-republicans-lose/


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Over the last fifty years the Democrats have trapped tens of millions of poor black and Hispanic children in schools that don’t teach them, because they are run for the benefit teachers unions and to fill the Democrats’ slush funds. Democrats have condemned these children to lives of poverty and hopelessness. But Republicans are too polite to mention it.

And women? Over the last fifty years, Democrat-designed welfare programs have seduced single mothers into accepting a support system that destroys their incentives to better themselves and condemns them to lives of permanent poverty as members of the underclass. A free apartment, free food, and a monthly stipend would kill almost anybody’s incentive to seek out the vast opportunities that America affords its free citizens.

Republicans need to understand that the political battle is a moral battle. The Democratic Party is a racist party whose bootheel is on the necks of poor black and Hispanic children and their parents across this nation.

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finnbow 08-01-2014 03:22 PM

There's definitely an element of truth to his first paragraph. The rest is mostly warmed-over conservative claptrap.

Tom Joad 08-01-2014 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by finnbow (Post 234133)
There's definitely an element of truth to his first paragraph.

I don't buy that.

finnbow 08-01-2014 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Tom Joad (Post 234135)
I don't buy that.

The symbiotic relationship between the Democratic Party and the teachers unions is abundantly clear and let nobody convince you that teachers unions exist for the sake of students.

Tom Joad 08-01-2014 03:27 PM

More good stuff. :rolleyes:

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The Democratic Party is also anti-freedom. It has spent the last six years ramming through a government program that takes away the individual’s ability to choose his or her health care. The government says you can only choose from our plans, and if you have played by the rules and worked hard and earned a reasonable income we are going to stick our hands in your pocket and subsidize somebody who hasn’t. Obamacare is the most anti-American idea imposed on this nation since the end of slavery, and yet every Democrat is behind it.

bobabode 08-01-2014 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Tom Joad (Post 234135)
I don't buy that.

Neither do I. The whole screed is fulla crap.

Tom Joad 08-01-2014 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by finnbow (Post 234137)
The symbiotic relationship between the Democratic Party and the teachers unions is abundantly clear and let nobody convince you that teachers unions exist for the sake of students.

You're really down on public sector unions.

I'm not a big fan of them myself but my experience with them is that they are really too weak to have much of a negative, or positive impact.

We had one where I worked for the State of Florida and it was a joke. We used to call it "collective begging".

Tom Joad 08-01-2014 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by bobabode (Post 234139)
Neither do I. The whole screed is fulla crap.

But they believe this shit with all their hearts and souls.

I guess they have to in order to be able to sleep at night.

bobabode 08-01-2014 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by finnbow (Post 234137)
The symbiotic relationship between the Democratic Party and the teachers unions is abundantly clear and let nobody convince you that teachers unions exist for the sake of students.

:confused: and management does? :rolleyes:

Unions exist to protect the workers from unfair treatment from management and their customers. In the case of schools, the customers happen to be parents who often will chuck fairness aside when their snot nosed kids complain about all the injustices heaped upon them by ol' teach.:rolleyes:

finnbow 08-01-2014 04:28 PM

Here's an article illustrative of the problems that teachers unions (and their symbiotic relationship with (mostly Democratic) politicians) cause.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...-for-students/

Tom Joad 08-01-2014 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by bobabode (Post 234146)
In the case of schools, the customers happen to be parents who often will chuck fairness aside when their snot nosed kids complain about all the injustices heaped upon them by ol' teach.:rolleyes:

No shit.

Things have really changed since I was in school.

Back then we only had two rules.

Rule number one: "The Teacher is always right"

Rule number two "If the Teacher is wrong, refer to rule number one."

Rajoo 08-01-2014 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by finnbow (Post 234137)
The symbiotic relationship between the Democratic Party and the teachers unions is abundantly clear and let nobody convince you that teachers unions exist for the sake of students.

Thanks to the Teacher's Unions, only one ia a thousand manage to get fired.
How is that for job security?

Tom Joad 08-01-2014 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by BeamOn (Post 234163)
Thanks to the Teacher's Unions, only one ia a thousand manage to get fired.
How is that for job security?

Whatever.

White Flight, and the systematic neglect of our public school system are the primary reasons for the decline.

BlueStreak 08-01-2014 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Tom Joad (Post 234129)
I just had to post this opinion piece by right winger David Horowitz.

It is so full of shit, but it gives you insight into how these assholes rationalize their positions.

http://dailycaller.com/2014/08/01/why-republicans-lose/




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This dumbass needs to meet the women, 99% of them African American, that I work with. Most of them single, work two jobs, plus go to school, raise their own kids and pay their own bills.

And still the rednecks I work with are convinced that these people "have everything handed to them".:confused:

Yes, the rightwing brainwashing does run THAT deep. They can't even see what is right in front of their eyeballs every fucking day.

Dave

finnbow 08-01-2014 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Tom Joad (Post 234140)
You're really down on public sector unions.

I'm not a big fan of them myself but my experience with them is that they are really too weak to have much of a negative, or positive impact.

We had one where I worked for the State of Florida and it was a joke. We used to call it "collective begging".

At best, public sector unions are worthless. At worst, they can be quite harmful. The Democrats do a good job of conflating the merits of private sector and public sector unions, mostly because of the demise of private sector unions.

"All Government employees should realize that the process of collective bargaining, as usually understood, cannot be transplanted into the public service. It has its distinct and insurmountable limitations when applied to public personnel management.

The very nature and purposes of Government make it impossible for administrative officials to represent fully or to bind the employer in mutual discussions with Government employee organizations...

"The employer is the whole people, who speak by means of laws enacted by their representatives in Congress. Accordingly, administrative officials and employees alike are governed and guided, and in many instances restricted, by laws which establish policies, procedures, or rules in personnel matters."


- Franklin Roosevelt

BlueStreak 08-01-2014 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by bobabode (Post 234146)
:confused: and management does? :rolleyes:

Unions exist to protect the workers from unfair treatment from management and their customers. In the case of schools, the customers happen to be parents who often will chuck fairness aside when their snot nosed kids complain about all the injustices heaped upon them by ol' teach.:rolleyes:

Let's not forget all of the parents who are absolutely certain their kid is the next Einstein and when the little halfwit can't comprehend "See Spot Run"......they blame the school. Then there are the undisciplined parents raising obnoxious, undisciplined future convicts who blame the school for their kids cretinous behavior. Then there are the ones that think it's the public school systems job to hold Bible class every morning and never fail to be outraged when a teacher suggests that there might be more to the real world than a sheltered WASP upbringing can prepare them for. And, of course, blame the school for the decline of morality in our "Christian Nation".............

No, it's the all the schools fault and the answer is, obviously, to cut funding. That'll teach the Commie bastards.:rolleyes:

Dave

Rajoo 08-01-2014 06:07 PM

This from a 2010 issue of the Economist.

"The California Teachers Association (CTA) is the biggest lobby in the state, having spent some $210m in the past decade—more than any other group— to intervene in California's politics."

http://www.economist.com/node/15819208

Of course, the CA public schools rank in the bottom 10 of the 50 states but so is the funding.

bobabode 08-01-2014 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by BeamOn (Post 234178)
This from a 2010 issue of the Economist.

"The California Teachers Association (CTA) is the biggest lobby in the state, having spent some $210m in the past decade—more than any other group— to intervene in California's politics."

http://www.economist.com/node/15819208

Of course, the CA public schools rank in the bottom 10 of the 50 states but so is the funding.

I blame Pete Wilson, Deukmajian and their ilk for the shitty state of our schools. First thing to be cut is school funding and services. That ol' cheapskate Jerry Brown is working on turning it around.

Tom Joad 08-01-2014 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by bobabode (Post 234181)
I blame Pete Wilson, Deukmajian and their ilk for the shitty state of our schools. First thing to be cut is school funding and services. That ol' cheapskate Jerry Brown is working on turning it around.

In Florida the funding is tied to property taxes.

So the ares with high dollar real estate (white republicans) have awesome schools. And the areas with low dollar real estate (black, brown, and white trash) get to suck hind tit.

finnbow 08-01-2014 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Tom Joad (Post 234182)
In Florida the funding is tied to property taxes.

So the ares with high dollar real estate (white republicans) have awesome schools. And the areas with low dollar real estate (black, brown, and white trash) get to suck hind tit.

That's pretty much the case everywhere until it gets so out of whack that the courts intervene (which isn't too often). That said, the correlation between education spending and achievement is pretty soft.

bobabode 08-01-2014 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Tom Joad (Post 234182)
In Florida the funding is tied to property taxes.

So the ares with high dollar real estate (white republicans) have awesome schools. And the areas with low dollar real estate (black, brown, and white trash) get to suck hind tit.

Here we keep bumping up against the cynical and corrupted Prop. 13 when it comes to property taxes. Corporations got their mitts on it and pay artificially low property taxes. Locally, Disneyland has their rates super low even though old Walt has been dead for decades. Bank of America too.

Pio1980 08-03-2014 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by bobabode (Post 234192)
Here we keep bumping up against the cynical and corrupted Prop. 13 when it comes to property taxes. Corporations got their mitts on it and pay artificially low property taxes. Locally, Disneyland has their rates super low even though old Walt has been dead for decades. Bank of America too.

IGM, FU.

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finnbow 08-04-2014 07:14 AM

And now, David Boies (the famous Democratic lawyer), agrees to head the organization that is challenging the counterproductive tenure system in public schools. Needless to say, the NEA is going ballistic.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/04/us...er-tenure.html

Pio1980 08-04-2014 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by finnbow (Post 234475)
And now, David Boies (the famous Democratic teacher), agrees to head the organization that is challenging the counterproductive tenure system in public schools. Needless to say, the NEA is going ballistic.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/04/us...er-tenure.html

The flip side is teachers being summarily dismissed for doing their job instead of promoting popular religiously based dogma, such as creationism, as education.

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Tom Joad 08-04-2014 10:31 AM

Here is one example of the kind of thing that is screwing up our public education.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/0...Jefferson_Whos

Pio1980 08-04-2014 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Tom Joad (Post 234487)
Here is one example of the kind of thing that is screwing up our public education.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/0...Jefferson_Whos

I remember this from 2011, Texas orders enuff to swing the content for the rest of the districts using the same suppliers and they well know this.

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icenine 08-04-2014 12:00 PM

If you start treating teachers as disposable you will just have a worse teaching environment. All of us here (with the exception of Beam On who I assume went to school in India) are products of teachers who had job protection via tenure. I think we turned out OK.

Tom Joad 08-04-2014 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by icenine (Post 234501)
If you start treating teachers as disposable you will just have a worse teaching environment.

As it will have a negative impact on any other work environment.

But the "Disposable employee" seems to be the new norm for the American business model.

piece-itpete 08-04-2014 12:29 PM

Finn a couple cities ago the local district where I was living tried to make teachers pay 1% of their health insurance. The teachers immediately struck, and their signs were 'for the children' :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Tom Joad (Post 234159)
No shit.

Things have really changed since I was in school.

Back then we only had two rules.

Rule number one: "The Teacher is always right"

Rule number two "If the Teacher is wrong, refer to rule number one."

No kidding.

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Originally Posted by Tom Joad (Post 234182)
In Florida the funding is tied to property taxes.

So the ares with high dollar real estate (white republicans) have awesome schools. And the areas with low dollar real estate (black, brown, and white trash) get to suck hind tit.

Here it's property taxes too. It's been declared unconstitutional by the state SC a few times.

Pete

Rajoo 08-04-2014 12:31 PM

Let's take this into consideration also.

Education Gap Grows Between Rich and Poor, Studies Say

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/10/ed...pagewanted=all


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