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piece-itpete 07-23-2014 10:43 AM

New 'pooters.
 
See if you can wrap your head around this. I certainly don't get it all.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2DXrs0OpHU

Pete

Dondilion 07-23-2014 10:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by piece-itpete (Post 232325)
See if you can wrap your head around this. I certainly don't get it all.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2DXrs0OpHU

Pete

I am trying. :D

It basics is randomness.

the uncertainty principle in nuclear physics might be of some help?

nailer 07-23-2014 11:33 AM

IIRC Heisenberg's uncertainty principle is a killer meth recipe. :rolleyes:

piece-itpete 07-23-2014 11:47 AM

Whoosh! Most of this is over my head :) Something I understand, that particles act differently when observed, cracks me up - it must keep scientists awake at night :D

Pete

Dondilion 07-23-2014 12:03 PM

Calling Finnbow!

donquixote99 07-23-2014 12:09 PM

...and Merrylander.

Tom Joad 07-23-2014 10:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nailer (Post 232334)
IIRC Heisenberg's uncertainty principle is a killer meth recipe. :rolleyes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dy_DASt7hDs

piece-itpete 07-24-2014 12:08 PM

I wonder what they are hoping a quantum computer will do. I'm going to research it a little.

Pete

nailer 07-24-2014 12:23 PM

Just Wikied quantum computer. They'll provide nondeterministic answers. This may be a step toward AI.

piece-itpete 07-24-2014 12:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nailer (Post 232588)
Just Wikied quantum computer. They'll provide nondeterministic answers. This may be a step toward AI.

Believe me wholeheartedly when I say, I have absolutely no idea what this means :D

Pete

nailer 07-24-2014 12:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by piece-itpete (Post 232596)
Believe me wholeheartedly when I say, I have absolutely no idea what this means :D

Pete

I kind of do, but thinking quantumly makes me dizzy.

piece-itpete 07-24-2014 12:55 PM

You have two thoughts at once? :D

Pete

bobabode 07-24-2014 01:43 PM

You could swing a dead cat around in this thread. ;)

Tom Joad 07-24-2014 01:52 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qnd-hdmgfk

piece-itpete 08-06-2014 07:55 AM

I did do a little more looking, which stopped the particles dead. Apparently I'm destroying the universe by doing so.

Anyway who cares :) It's all about building faster computers, way more important that the universe lol. Already they're running out of miniaturization, pretty soon 'they' think the transistors will be so small they'll run into quantum problems, like matter moving spontaneously through solid matter screwing up the computations (quantum tunneling, if I got that right).

It's so mysterious and downright odd. As Clarke said, "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." Not only will the quantum computers stop working if the chips are observed, they will not 'know' how they got the answer in the first place.

Pete

Dondilion 08-06-2014 08:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by piece-itpete (Post 234904)
I did do a little more looking, which stopped the particles dead. Apparently I'm destroying the universe by doing so.

Anyway who cares :) It's all about building faster computers, way more important that the universe lol. Already they're running out of miniaturization, pretty soon 'they' think the transistors will be so small they'll run into quantum problems, like matter moving spontaneously through solid matter screwing up the computations (quantum tunneling, if I got that right).

It's so mysterious and downright odd. As Clarke said, "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." Not only will the quantum computers stop working if the chips are observed, they will not 'know' how they got the answer in the first place.

Pete

More magic stuff for the wall street boys. :D

bobabode 08-07-2014 08:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nailer (Post 232588)
Just Wikied quantum computer. They'll provide nondeterministic answers. This may be a step toward AI.

They taught a program how to dither and obfuscate?

bobabode 08-07-2014 08:24 PM

In other news...check this one out. Monkey brains, yum.
http://touch.latimes.com/#section/17.../p2p-81028002/

http://www.trbimg.com/img-53e40e68/t...7-001/400/16x9

donquixote99 08-07-2014 09:29 PM

I assume we could now try something equivalent to a million monkeys on a million typewriters, and see how long it took a Shakespere play to show up?

Dondilion 08-08-2014 07:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by donquixote99 (Post 235191)
I assume we could now try something equivalent to a million monkeys on a million typewriters, and see how long it took a Shakespere play to show up?

Monkeys are more interested in selfies.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentis...yright-artists

Ike Bana 08-08-2014 07:53 AM

The whole thing about "quantum" causes me to drift back to Schroedinger's cat...nothing exists unless you can see it. I think.

So a quantum computer doesn't exist unless you can see it. That's good.

Next?

Dondilion 08-08-2014 08:20 AM

Quantum computing explained:

http://www.theguardian.com/science/2...icle-mechanics

nailer 08-08-2014 10:00 AM

Guardian article excerpt:

Are there commercial quantum computers?

There is a commercial computer out there but it's very expensive ($10m), it has very limited computing power and it hasn't yet been verified by anybody externally [as to] what it's actually doing.

(Bolding by Bob)

piece-itpete 08-08-2014 10:03 AM

According to what I've learned there is no way to verify what it does. If you look while it's working it screws it up (observation changes its' behavior) and if you try to find out afterwards there's no way to tell.

Pete

piece-itpete 10-07-2014 12:25 PM

This is excellent:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkgLzo6qhQg

Pete

bobabode 10-07-2014 01:38 PM

Tasty waves brudda! :)

piece-itpete 10-07-2014 02:00 PM

We've had d-rays for a while, now we've got d-waves too :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMdHDHEuOUE

I wonder what new info on us Google is working out :D Probably knows us better than we know ourselves :eek:

Pete

Ike Bana 10-07-2014 03:00 PM

My cat crawled into a box. I put the top on it and the cat wasn't there anymore.

donquixote99 10-07-2014 03:10 PM

I've been watching Pete's excellent video. I'm stopped at the 5:45 point,

All objects are waves?
The marbles must pass through both holes at once?

I don't buy this stuff. I think the correspondence of patterns does not mean that parrticles (balls) are waves. It just means the patterns match. This stuff is voodoo, literally, saying there are links between things that look alike.

Here's a test. Have two walls, one with one hole in it, one with two. Send the marbles through the one-hole wall, and note the pattern. Then send marbles through only one hole of the two-hole wall. If the marbles are 'passing through both holes at once,' the pattern in the second case should differ from the pattern in the first case.

Ike Bana 10-08-2014 07:09 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19zRwxtJSOo

merrylander 10-08-2014 08:50 AM

Screw it all, I am having enough fun keeping XP going because I will be damned if I will be blackmailed into buying 7 or 8. Almost every site now says my browser is out of date, so I put Firefox on all three machines, Gates has more money than is good for anyone.

piece-itpete 10-08-2014 09:35 AM

Rob I'm running XP too :)

Ike I'll check that out, thanks.

DQ you're not the only skeptic out there! I assume most of these guys know what they're doing but show me the money. Literally, because if the science is sound it will be proven by prediction, which then gets handed over to the engineers which use it to make things (money). Show me, and I'll go visit d :D

Two things that are kinda giving me a kick, I don't hear them talking about how the forces know they're being observed, and that entanglement may 'illegally' (by our understanding) break the speed of light.

Pete


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