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bobabode 07-19-2014 05:51 PM

Government Soshulism Hits A Kentucky Town
 
The jack booted government thugs cut the capitalist's throats.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/nation...y.html?hpid=z5

nailer 07-19-2014 05:58 PM

If the market's free why can't the government participate in it fully?

finnbow 07-19-2014 06:44 PM

I'm not sure I like the idea, though I don't exactly care one way or the other.

donquixote99 07-19-2014 06:56 PM

It's my belief that the gas companies play rather sophisticated games with gas prices, jack them up sometimes, down sometimes, from place to place, keeping the average up but having enough down phases to keep people from getting too pissed. Note the quote from the petroleum association, in the story, saying the price in the town is 'low sometimes....'

Price also seems to vary depending on demand elasticity in particular areas.

I'm fine with the city throwing a bit of a monkey wrench into all this. Now using tax subsidies to sell below wholesale would be a bit different....

finnbow 07-19-2014 06:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by donquixote99 (Post 231806)
It's my belief that the gas companies play rather sophisticated games with gas prices, jack them up sometimes, down sometimes, from place to place, keeping the average up but having enough down phases to keep people from getting too pissed. Note the quote from the petroleum association, in the story, saying the price in the town is 'low sometimes....'

Price also seems to vary depending on demand elasticity in particular areas.

I'm fine with the city throwing a bit of a monkey wrench into all this. Now using tax subsidies to sell below wholesale would be a bit different....

Can't argue with that.

BlueStreak 07-19-2014 08:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by donquixote99 (Post 231806)
It's my belief that the gas companies play rather sophisticated games with gas prices, jack them up sometimes, down sometimes, from place to place, keeping the average up but having enough down phases to keep people from getting too pissed. Note the quote from the petroleum association, in the story, saying the price in the town is 'low sometimes....'

Price also seems to vary depending on demand elasticity in particular areas.

I'm fine with the city throwing a bit of a monkey wrench into all this. Now using tax subsidies to sell below wholesale would be a bit different....

I'm thinking this is precisely what it is. "Free Market" my arse.

Dave

donquixote99 07-19-2014 08:20 PM

Regarding 'price inelasticity.' My bad--should have said 'demand inelasticity.' Basically means that means the price will be higher in a town of well-paid commuters. Or in a tourist town. The visitors have to get home, after all.

Ever notice how the price is higher in the places right on the interstate?

BlueStreak 07-19-2014 08:20 PM

"The venture unnerved local filling station and convenience store operators suddenly competing with the city in this Republican stronghold. Critics said the government has no business injecting itself into the private sector, and one store owner branded it as so(c)ialism."

Of course they hate it, they are being undercut and they know that once people start to like not having to pay for their profit margin and marked up overhead, they will lose.

Let's face it, it is So(c)ialism. And, in this case, the only way they will kill it is politically because they cannot compete with it economically. Few people are going to continue paying $3.80 - $4.00/gallon if they can get it anywhere for $3.35..........................

Dave

donquixote99 07-19-2014 08:27 PM

Hell and Limbaugh are going to descend on this town.

http://beyondthepulpitmabc.files.wor...rney20fife.jpg

Oerets 07-19-2014 08:34 PM

http://www.wdrb.com/story/20969510/g...must-stop-2513

""The answer can be summed up in one word: Monopoly. Marathon Oil has a virtual total monopoly over wholesale gasoline distribution throughout the state, and whenever they decide to hike the price by a nickel, or a dime – or fifty cents – they have no competitors who might take business from them by offering a better price.""

The Derby has some of the highest prices in the state.

The city is just trying to level the playing field and make a point.

Barney

Dondilion 07-19-2014 09:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nailer (Post 231800)
If the market's free why can't the government participate in it fully?

Because the govt is using tax payers money.

Rajoo 07-19-2014 09:41 PM

I have been using a commercial company (Pacific Pride) and their stations are unattended and open 24/7. Some are attached to retail gas stations but the pumps are separate. Prices are not marked in the commercial stations though.

Rajoo 07-19-2014 09:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dondilion (Post 231825)
Because the govt is using tax payers money.

No one is threatening to sue so there must be a loophole. The town should have floated a bond for the conversion and paid it back from the gas station profits.

bobabode 07-19-2014 09:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dondilion (Post 231825)
Because the govt is using tax payers money.

Good point. We should prosecute 'em the RICO statutes and nationalize the mutha effer's business altogether. Starting with those a$$holes in Kansas, Chuck and Dave.

nailer 07-20-2014 08:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dondilion (Post 231825)
Because the govt is using tax payers money.

The corporate world is awash with taxpayer dollars that flow through the government conduit.

Dondilion 07-20-2014 09:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nailer (Post 231842)
The corporate world is awash with taxpayer dollars that flow through the government conduit.

That does not make competition from a government owned business ok.

Pio1980 07-20-2014 09:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dondilion (Post 231849)
That does not make competition from a government owned business ok.

I'm perfectly OK with it for basic universal health care if it's a service and not a for-profit enterprize.

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Dondilion 07-20-2014 09:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pio1980 (Post 231852)
I'm perfectly OK with it for basic universal health care if it's a service and not a for-profit enterprize.

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Agreed!

Tom Joad 07-20-2014 11:09 AM

I doubt they can sell for more than a few cents less if that.

Retailers make almost nothing on gas sales.

It's the big oil companies that are raking in the big bucks in profits.

Of course they'll cry poor and say they only have an 8% profit margin, but 8% of a $4.00 gallon of gas is 32 cents.

That's about 30 cents more than the 2 cents that the retailer makes.

And you gotta remember that that 8% in profits is what's left after they reward their top executives with billions of dollars in compensation.

Most gas is sold at convenience stores these days and It's practically a loss leader in order to get you in the store to buy a bag of corn chips and a 44 ounce thirst buster both of which have huge profit margins.

Where the government really needs to get involved is in providing Health Care.

We could be saving hundreds of billions a year there.

nailer 07-20-2014 11:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dondilion (Post 231849)
That does not make competition from a government owned business ok.

Competition is good for the economy. The government has shown itself to be more stable than corporations. After all, we're still using the original.

djv8ga 07-22-2014 08:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nailer (Post 231873)
Competition is good for the economy. The government has shown itself to be more stable than corporations. After all, we're still using the original.

Wow! This is a "Hall Of Fame" worthy post.
Nice job Noob.


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