The Big Lawsuit
 

Lil' Johnnie Boehner's big lawsuit is about what? :confused:
http://touch.latimes.com/#section/60.../p2p-80770650/

Palin's gonna blow a gasket...:rolleyes:

They're suing him for delaying the employer mandate. So, they're suing him for delaying something that they went to the SCOTUS to defeat? Makes perfect sense to me.:confused:

Well, yes and no. I guess I'd need to take a step back and understand the strategy here. I suspect the strategy is less about the failure to enforce the healthcare mandate and more about the president's selective enforcement, or lack of enforcement, of existing law. The President's unilateral action to effectively change the plain language of PPACA by failing to enforce the timetables that were in the text of the law was probably the most clear example they could find.

Well...maybe this...maybe that...maybe Who TF knows?

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view6/264...ogletnt2-o.gif

Selective enforcement! Selective enforcement!
Benghazi! Benghazi!
IRS! IRS!
NSA! NSA!
Kenya! Kenya!
Bill Ayers! Bill Ayers!
Rev. Wright! Rev. Wright!

PPPPPPPFFFFFFFfffffftttttt........

And I'd say the strategy is to do anything and everything to try to sabotage Obama in order to appease their rabid dog racist base that can't stand having a black President.

Two peas on a pod. You two need to get a room.

Well it's already been decided he can't decide for himself when to declare recess, so seems to me there's a good chance they'll find he can't rewrite laws either.

You need to get a species transplant in order to be come a thinking human being.

whell, Was, please stop being so racist.

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Pete

What's also funny is that within days of the President delaying the employer mandate, the House voted to do exactly the same thing. I suppose Boehner's pissed that the President actually succeeded in doing something that the GOP wanted.:confused:

http://www.cnn.com/2014/07/11/politi...ite-house-sue/

What if Boehner wins the lawsuit? Will the delay that he championed and supported through the House vote be rescinded? That'll make him real popular with the business community.:rolleyes:

As rudderless as Obama looks, the House makes him look like the paragon of virtue and efficiency.

Yeah, well, that's how it's supposed to work. Laws originate or are modified in Congress, not in the WH. I think its the constitutional lawyer in the WH that's confused.

Again, its not just about Obamacare. Its about a Prez with a phone and a pen that has decided that he wants to act unilaterally.

Yup, that's all you've got.

I'm thinking the truth is to be found from points made in both of these posts.

Dave

Unfortunately, this is how an adult must act when dealing with pouting children. You don't negotiate, you send them to their room, then do what must be done.

Dave

You hear that Whelly boy?

Go to your room.

I understand that, but now we have the GOP demanding that the President send all the kids immediately back to Central America even though it's against the law they passed and Dubya signed. So, on one hand they're suing Obama for doing what they wanted (delaying the Obamacare mandate) while demanding that he defy the child trafficking law because they're too chickenshit to take any vote involving immigration issues.

How else are you supposed to deal with a bunch of cowardly, whining idiots?

That's all anybody needs....

...when that's all you got.

well put! totally agree!

If it was a white guy with 6.1 percent unemployment (more like 5 percent because the baggers would have voted for some infrastructure if a white guy was there) we would be doing high-fives.


You cannot criticize someone for doing too much and then turn around and say he is doing too little...and that is a Catch-22.

If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and burns a cross on your lawn it is a duck.



There is an 800 pound gorilla in the room and hopefully it will backfire on those clowns.

Another in a long list of distracting the attention of simpleminded voters away from the real issues.

Remember some of these,

Birth Certificate
Reverend Wright
Acorn
Bill Ayers
ACA
Bailout
Benghazi
Impeachment

I'm sure to have missed a few seeing I really don't give a rats a$$ on their hate filled bile.

Barney

Pretty much how I see it.

Dave

But, that's just it. He knows exactly what he's doing and they know they can't do anything about it.......

Because he knows the ropes better than they do. That is why he pisses them off so bad. It's also why I voted for the smartass. The Republicans hate him because he keeps evading and out foxing them. And I'm loving every second of that.

Even when he pisses me off. It's worth it.:)

Dave

We'll disagree about much of this. Obama's new found desire to strictly adhere to the law in this case is, at the very least, convenient. While everyone seems to identify the TVPRA as the root of the issue, I'm left wondering why Obama, for example, doesn't simply use his phone and his pen to creatively change the law like he did for healthcare reform. Under TVCRA, Canadian and Mexican children are exempt. He could simply decide the broaden the exemption for any children who also transits illegally through Mexico, like he unilaterally broadened the enforcement of CO2 emissions for example. I mean, at least that would be consistent with how the Administration has chosen to enforce other laws.

(On a side note, I love how you others on the left love to characterize this as "Bush's law". Its not like he wrote it himself and signed it into law. In fact, Biden was the one who introduced the law in the Senate, and Tom Lantos introduced it in the House.)

Many in the GOP want a legal way to handle the issue of illegal immigration. You've observed this yourself. However, Boehner said in February that it was “time to deal with” U.S. immigration policy, but after discussions with the Prez came away saying that it will be difficult to pass a bill this year because fellow Republicans don’t trust President Barack Obama to enforce the changes.

“There’s widespread doubt about whether this administration can be trusted to enforce our laws,” Boehner told reporters in Washington. “It’s going to be difficult to move any immigration legislation until that changes.”

They don't trust Obama on this because they know that Obama is also playing politics with this. The "fix" here would be to address this issues with the 2008 Act that is responsible for this mess. However, WaPo observes:

To his credit, Obama voiced support for such a measure. Less to his credit, he omitted it from his proposal to Congress after 200 activist organizations urged him to reconsider; they argued in an open letter that it would leave Central American children at the mercy of criminal gangs back home.

The right answer here is not to hide behind a broken law. The law was designed to prevent and discourage trafficking and its obvious that its having the precisely opposite effect. There are many in this forum who, for example, cheer when drug laws are enforced and call such laws immoral or unjust. Is the enforcement of a law that encourages families to send their children (and, by they way, there's quite a few adults in the mix here too) unaccompanied on a long and perilous journey, where they end up being released to unknown persons (we heard testimony this week that DHS makes no effort, for example, to verify the immigration status of the people who the kids are released to)? Is it any less immoral to to enforce a law that ends up creating make-shift Manzanars out of military bases and bus depots?

I wonder if these folks think he knows exactly what he's doing?

http://dailyoffice.files.wordpress.c...pg?w=500&h=250

http://a57.foxnews.com/global.fncsta....jpg?ve=1&tl=1

Whell's sudden and convenient concern about the fate of illegals comes bubbling up to the surface of the sludge lagoon.

Dubya did indeed sign it into law. Nobody held a gun to his head. There were plenty of bills from the Dems he didn't sign, but this is one that he did. Try as you will, you cannot get around it.

As for the political dynamics behind the current situation, it's clear to me that both sides have long since chosen to use such dramatic events to point fingers and gain political advantage and not actually address problems. Unfortunately, politics has become all about the acquisition and maintenance of power, not solving problems. Both sides' positions with regard to this crisis is to try to use it to their advantage in the next election, not to actually solve the problem.

Immigration only becomes an issue after your families migration to this country it seems.

The majority of those seeing this as immigration issue and not a humanitarian refugee drug related one. As yourself two questions, first how well were your ancestors treated when arriving here? Second are we a caring nation?


Also what happen to the argument on the whole life thing. Does the right to life end at birth if you are brown and speaky no english?

Barney

Well stated. I agree.

Plus one. To quote some smart ass comedian, "We just might get a World Cup winning team out of it in ten years or so". ;)

This is yet another manufactured crisis for political purposes. The intent of the GOP is to continue to paint Obama as an ineffective president.
There are three issues in play here. One is the spike in influx of immigrants not of Mexican origin, the 2008 law that GWB signed, and now the Obama request of $3.7 billion in emergency funding.
Democrats are opposed to revising the law, under the law the administration cannot arbitrarily deport, without additional funds the government will not have the resources to handle the influx. GOP house will amend this funding request to death, one can bet on it. So there never will be an answer, was never meant to be and it is another on the GOP we are gonna get you list.

My guess is that the GOP is hoping that any anti-Obama fervor they can whip up will only help them in the mid-term elections. Only time would tell. One thing for certain, the GOP are about to alienate the entire Latino voting block because the detainees will continue to be miserable as they await legal processing.

Hey no one cares about Obamacare anymore.

You think the idiots would co-opt Latino support by bringing the Immigration reform bill forward.

Then again the average Bagger has never heard of Bismarck. Or was it Bismark? The guy with the pointy helmet that brought health care to Germany way before anyone else.

There may be a serious political backlash against the 'pubbies for acting miserly in the face this humanitarian crisis. Even Sen. McConnell was urging Boehner to advance this smallish spending bill. The $72,000 figure per refugee being bandied about here is a red herring. A substantial amount of this spending bill goes to border security and firefighting.

One day the GOP will realize that the only way to get the Klown Kar back on the Main Street of American respectability and electability is to garner support among non-whites.
You gotta take the keys away from Ted Cruz and Rush Limbaugh and hand them over to someone like Jeb Bush or another normal conservative. I guess another 8 years of Democratic rule may wake them up like FDR and Truman did two generations ago.

The way I see it, this is just a new cause for the do nothing" congress. And this is safe for the GOP since no compromise is really possible nor does the GOP want to hand any new money over to Obama. The baggers will never stand for it and will use it against their own.

If its a "manufactured crisis", why does the Prez want over $3 billion in emergency appropriations to fix it?

think about it Einstein:

If Obama gets what he wants it is a political victory for him as well as easing the humanitarian crisis.

If he doesn't get it the bill then Boehner and the Baggers just dig themselves deeper into the pit they have dug for themselves: would rather play politics than put the nation first plus the negative impact on the Latino perception of the GOP will help the Democrats in the future.



Obama may not win in this game but the Democrats will certainly not lose.

There was talk about housing some of the children here in western MD and already the mayor and a GOPer are screaming NIMBY.

Suffer the little children - and we will show them just what suffering is.

Most of the people in Murrieta are commuters working in LA or San Diego who are sweating $2000 mortgages on McMansions....

no one is really involved in the protests except for some outside agitators and angry people with nothing better to do. And most of the locals that are yelling are probably tied to the military industrial complex. There were more police yesterday than protesters.

http://mediamatters.org/research/201...anitari/199864

The surge is real and is overloading the system (DHS) and funds are needed to house the detainees awaiting deportation to their homelands.