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merrylander 06-30-2014 09:44 AM

Supremes vote for religious bigotry
 
So Hobby Lobby gets away with bigotry undere the guise of religios liberty. Get your toboggans out and get ready for the slippery slope.:p

4-2-7 06-30-2014 09:50 AM

Inalienable Rights

Outweigh Choice as choice is not a right...

So Americans that want their rights upheld are racist bigots?

merrylander 06-30-2014 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by 4-2-7 (Post 228027)
Inalienable Rights

Outweigh Choice as choice is not a right...

So Americans that what their rights upheld are racist bigots?

So who is forcing them to use contraceptives? You just don't get it do you little man.:p

Oerets 06-30-2014 09:56 AM

Church and state separation what happen to that?
I hate stupid wars but forced to pay for them. Totally a political ruling legislating from the bench plain and simple.






Barney

4-2-7 06-30-2014 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Oerets (Post 228033)
Church and state separation what happen to that?
I hate stupid wars but forced to pay for them. Totally a political ruling legislating from the bench plain and simple.






Barney

Obama decided to interfere with church teaching. That's what happened

CarlV 06-30-2014 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by 4-2-7 (Post 228035)
Obama decided to interfere with church teaching. That's what happened

Incorrect, our corrupt SCOTUS is moving away from our founders intent of the separation of church and state so we can have both as one just like Iran does.


Carl

CarlV 06-30-2014 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Oerets (Post 228033)
Church and state separation what happen to that?
I hate stupid wars but forced to pay for them. Totally a political ruling legislating from the bench plain and simple.






Barney

Yeah, I want my Viet Nam war tax money back, and all the rest of US blood for oil wars too.


Carl

Tom Joad 06-30-2014 10:22 AM

Let me guess.

The vote was 5-4.

And the 5 were the 5 right wing hacks that now run the court.

donquixote99 06-30-2014 10:42 AM

I still don't get why Hobby Lobby thinks it can tells it's serfs what to do with their health insurance. Do they think they can tell them what to do with their wages? Do they think they have the right to watch them day and night? To fire them if they don't go to chruch every Sunfday, and prayer meeting every Wednesday, and tithe?

This is why you have to separate church and state. State gives church too much power to run your life, and church thinks it has every right to do it.

Rajoo 06-30-2014 11:05 AM

http://blogs.jamaicans.com/gwgraeme/...1/religion.jpg

Supreme Court hits new low: Only 30% have confidence in justices

http://onpolitics.usatoday.com/2014/...e-gallup-poll/

merrylander 06-30-2014 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by BeamOn (Post 228071)

Wow 30% I would have guessed 3%.:)

Tom Joad 06-30-2014 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by merrylander (Post 228099)
Wow 30% I would have guessed 3%.:)

With five right wing thugs controlling the court it should be 0%.

Unfortunately 30% is about the percentage of the population that are either baggers or bagger sympathizers.

whell 06-30-2014 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by merrylander (Post 228023)
So Hobby Lobby gets away with bigotry undere the guise of religios liberty. Get your toboggans out and get ready for the slippery slope.:p

I'm laughing at this a bit. The SCOTUS made absolutely the right decision by requiring that the expansion of government mandates not encroach on religious beliefs. Its a classic decision to maintain the separation of church and state, yet you complain, and to double-down you choose to define the decision as "bigotry".

I'd suggest that this and some of the other viewpoints in this thread could certainly be examples of religious intolerance.

donquixote99 06-30-2014 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by whell (Post 228113)
I'm laughing at this a bit. The SCOTUS made absolutely the right decision by requiring that the expansion of government mandates not encroach on religious beliefs. Its a classic decision to maintain the separation of church and state, yet you complain, and to double-down you choose to define the decision as "bigotry".

I'd suggest that this and some of the other viewpoints in this thread could certainly be examples of religious intolerance.


Can Hobby Lobby now say to it's employees "You're fired if you spend your wages on BC?" If not why not?

Tom Joad 06-30-2014 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by whell (Post 228113)
I'm laughing at this a bit. The SCOTUS made absolutely the right decision by requiring that the expansion of government mandates not encroach on religious beliefs. Its a classic decision to maintain the separation of church and state, yet you complain, and to double-down you choose to define the decision as "bigotry".

What they did was to allow the American Taliban to to expand their religious mandates to encroach on individual freedom.

MrPots 06-30-2014 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by whell (Post 228113)
I'm laughing at this a bit. The SCOTUS made absolutely the right decision by requiring that the expansion of government mandates not encroach on religious beliefs. Its a classic decision to maintain the separation of church and state, yet you complain, and to double-down you choose to define the decision as "bigotry".

I'd suggest that this and some of the other viewpoints in this thread could certainly be examples of religious intolerance.

I hope that Hobby Lobby now walks the talk and starts closing it's doors to customers who do not meet their "religious" expectations.

A ten commandments of who may or may not enter so to speak.

Otherwise this is not about beliefs, but penny pinching.

merrylander 06-30-2014 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by whell (Post 228113)
I'm laughing at this a bit. The SCOTUS made absolutely the right decision by requiring that the expansion of government mandates not encroach on religious beliefs. Its a classic decision to maintain the separation of church and state, yet you complain, and to double-down you choose to define the decision as "bigotry".

I'd suggest that this and some of the other viewpoints in this thread could certainly be examples of religious intolerance.

Oh really I think you have it backward Mike. I really don't care if the Hobby Lobby families d not practice BC if that is their belief. Nor do I care if Catholic families play Vatican Roulette. That is their belief and their business so have at it.

How is it religious freedom when someone says "you work for me so I get to dictate your religious practices" Frankly I would suggest that this family is one of the greatest gatherings of pompous asses extant. But then that is just my opinion.

Thee hast a funny definition of 'intolerance.:)

Oerets 06-30-2014 02:17 PM

So will Hobby Lobby now pay it's employees more to cover childcare? That seems like the ""Christian"" thing to do.


Barney

merrylander 06-30-2014 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by donquixote99 (Post 228064)
I still don't get why Hobby Lobby thinks it can tells it's serfs what to do with their health insurance. Do they think they can tell them what to do with their wages? Do they think they have the right to watch them day and night? To fire them if they don't go to chruch every Sunfday, and prayer meeting every Wednesday, and tithe?

This is why you have to separate church and state. State gives church too much power to run your life, and church thinks it has every right to do it.

They want to take us back to the good old days when you worked seven days a week and only got Sunday morning off if you proved you attended church.

Our parents fought to get the 40 hour work week and they are probably spinning in their graves to watch a brain washed bunch of sycophants spouting all this crap against unions and sucking up to big business.

4-2-7 06-30-2014 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by merrylander (Post 228099)
Wow 30% I would have guessed 3%.:)

Well when remove the manipulative agenda and lies it is 3%

merrylander 06-30-2014 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by 4-2-7 (Post 228165)
Well when remove the manipulative agenda and lies it is 3%

Oh sod off pillock.:)

4-2-7 06-30-2014 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by merrylander (Post 228167)
Oh sod off pillock.:)

I just completed a job today so I'm home early, I thought we could hang out a bit.
Did you hear all divisive speech coming out Obama's mouth today. Wow I could not believe my ears I think he is trying to force impeachment actions.

The funny thing was I was at a Mexican restaurant with about 15 Mexicans have lunch. None of them cared about listening to the drivel, not one of them.

whell 06-30-2014 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by donquixote99 (Post 228114)
Can Hobby Lobby now say to it's employees "You're fired if you spend your wages on BC?" If not why not?

Employers (or employees) can terminate employment anytime for any reason under the employment at will doctrine.

donquixote99 06-30-2014 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by whell (Post 228174)
Employers (or employees) can terminate employment anytime for any reason under the employment at will doctrine.

I'll take that for a yes, nothing wrong with that.

Wasillaguy 06-30-2014 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by whell (Post 228174)
Employers (or employees) can terminate employment anytime for any reason under the employment at will doctrine.

As it should be. Now if we can also get those signs back up behind the counter- "we reserve the right to refuse service to anyone", we'll be getting somewhere.

Where did those signs go anyway? You'd think they'd at least turn up on American Pickers once in a while.

djv8ga 06-30-2014 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Wasillaguy (Post 228180)
As it should be. Now if we can also get those signs back up behind the counter- "we reserve the right to refuse service to anyone", we'll be getting somewhere.

Where did those signs go anyway? You'd think they'd at least turn up on American Pickers once in a while.

There's a restaurant down south that still has a "Hippies Must Use The Back Door" sign over the rear exit. :D

whell 06-30-2014 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by merrylander (Post 228140)
How is it religious freedom when someone says "you work for me so I get to dictate your religious practices"

How precisely does Hobby Lobby dictate the religious practices of its employees?

whell 06-30-2014 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by donquixote99 (Post 228178)
I'll take that for a yes, nothing wrong with that.

You think there's something wrong with the employment at will doctrine?

Tom Joad 06-30-2014 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by merrylander (Post 228159)
They want to take us back to the good old days when you worked seven days a week and only got Sunday morning off if you proved you attended church.

Our parents fought to get the 40 hour work week and they are probably spinning in their graves to watch a brain washed bunch of sycophants spouting all this crap against unions and sucking up to big business.

This is exactly where we are headed, and we are already well on the way down that path.

donquixote99 06-30-2014 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by whell (Post 228188)
You think there's something wrong with the employment at will doctrine?

Yep. Gives employers too much unchecked power over employees. Put the 'just cause' doctrine into law, and we'd all be better off.

donquixote99 06-30-2014 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by whell (Post 228182)
How precisely does Hobby Lobby dictate the religious practices of its employees?

For one, they say 'you may not use your health insurance for certain things, for religious reasons.'

And I kind of suspect they may not 'will' your employment to continue, if you please them not in other ways, on religious grounds.

Tom Joad 06-30-2014 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Wasillaguy (Post 228180)
As it should be. Now if we can also get those signs back up behind the counter- "we reserve the right to refuse service to anyone", we'll be getting somewhere.

Where did those signs go anyway? You'd think they'd at least turn up on American Pickers once in a while.

Ah yeah, those "Good Old Days".

I can hear "The Yellow Rose of Texas" playing now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4ptm6F2KHQ

donquixote99 06-30-2014 04:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wasillaguy (Post 228180)
As it should be. Now if we can also get those signs back up behind the counter- "we reserve the right to refuse service to anyone", we'll be getting somewhere.

Where did those signs go anyway? You'd think they'd at least turn up on American Pickers once in a while.

So are you still going around resenting anyone making you treat 'those people' like human beings as good as you?

It's natural enough to resent someone making you do something, but it was important. Those people ARE human beings as good as you.

4-2-7 06-30-2014 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by donquixote99 (Post 228198)
For one, they say 'you may not use your health insurance for certain things, for religious reasons.'

And I kind of suspect they may not 'will' your employment to continue, if you please them not in other ways, on religious grounds.

That's a total LIE

This has nothing to do with employor and employee relationship.

It has all to do with business owner and government mandates.

Stop your bull shit proaganda lol

4-2-7 06-30-2014 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by donquixote99 (Post 228206)
So are you still going around resenting anyone making you treat 'those people' like human beings as good as you?

It's natural enough to resent someone making you do something, but it was important. Those people ARE human beings as good as you.

Not nessaseraly, and as a business owner I do not have to server someone. Perhaps you want slavery back in this country.

finnbow 06-30-2014 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by whell (Post 228113)
I'm laughing at this a bit. The SCOTUS made absolutely the right decision by requiring that the expansion of government mandates not encroach on religious beliefs. Its a classic decision to maintain the separation of church and state, yet you complain, and to double-down you choose to define the decision as "bigotry".

I'd suggest that this and some of the other viewpoints in this thread could certainly be examples of religious intolerance.

How exactly is it that corporations have religious beliefs? IMO, they are an inanimate construct incapable of belief and undeserving of treatment as people under our constitution. What a crock of chit.

Wasillaguy 06-30-2014 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by donquixote99 (Post 228206)
So are you still going around resenting anyone making you treat 'those people' like human beings as good as you?

It's natural enough to resent someone making you do something, but it was important. Those people ARE human beings as good as you.

If you're going to cast aspersions, please do so in plain English. Who are "those people" who I've supposedly decided I'm better than?

4-2-7 06-30-2014 05:31 PM

Don't trip he's a weird one.

donquixote99 06-30-2014 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Wasillaguy (Post 228242)
If you're going to cast aspersions, please do so in plain English. Who are "those people" who I've supposedly decided I'm better than?

I don't know what's in your mind. No fair making me guess.

donquixote99 06-30-2014 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by 4-2-7 (Post 228245)
Don't trip he's a weird one.

Good example! No one has to ask what you meant.

Now go huff some terp.


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