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4-2-7 06-30-2014 09:29 AM

Stop Stepping On My Rights Obama!!!
 
Hobby Lobby Wins:rolleyes:

djv8ga 06-30-2014 09:42 AM

There's gonna be a lot of "Born Again" Christian corporations...LOL!!! :D

4-2-7 06-30-2014 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by djv8ga (Post 228021)
There's gonna be a lot of "Born Again" Christian corporations...LOL!!! :D

Lefties are having a bad week lol.:D

Can't wate till November.....:eek:

merrylander 06-30-2014 09:48 AM

Why ar you going to vote in favor of religious bigotry too?:p

CarlV 06-30-2014 09:50 AM

Facists 1, Women 0.

Free boner pills but not B.C. to stop unwanted pregnancies. Makes me want to go to church.


Carl

djv8ga 06-30-2014 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by merrylander (Post 228026)
Why ar you going to vote in favor of religious bigotry too?:p

OK, Where do we go from here? If my employee has an abortion with the money I paid her, can I fire her if my religion is against abortion? This is going to get crazy...:confused::rolleyes:

4-2-7 06-30-2014 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by merrylander (Post 228026)
Why ar you going to vote in favor of religious bigotry too?:p

No I Vote For Your Inalienable Rights

You a dumb fuck thinking and calling this judgment bigotry when that statement is bigoted.

CarlV 06-30-2014 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by djv8ga (Post 228029)
OK, Where do we go from here? If my employee has an abortion with the money I paid her, can I fire her if my religion is against abortion? This is going to get crazy...:confused::rolleyes:

Yes, it appears big corporations can skirt everything but taxes now and they already have been skirting those for decades.


Carl

djv8ga 06-30-2014 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by CarlV (Post 228034)
Yes, it appears big corporations can skirt everything but taxes now and they already have been skirting those for decades.


Carl

I might be wrong, but doesn't this ruling open the door for a corporation to tell an employee how to spend his/her money? Healthcare is nothing more than compensation like a paycheck...correct?

CarlV 06-30-2014 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by djv8ga (Post 228037)
I might be wrong, but doesn't this ruling open the door for a corporation to tell an employee how to spend his/her money? Healthcare is nothing more than compensation just like a paycheck...correct?

There is part of the ruling that does not affect ACA specifically in any other way, but it sure does set a weird precedent much as you describe.


Carl

djv8ga 06-30-2014 10:13 AM

I guess a corporation could fire an employee for committing adultery as well(?). What about Gay marriage?

4-2-7 06-30-2014 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by CarlV (Post 228040)
There is part of the ruling that does not affect ACA specifically in any other way, but it sure does set a weird precedent much as you describe.


Carl

And opens the door for striking down any Government funding using taxpayers money.

donquixote99 06-30-2014 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by djv8ga (Post 228029)
OK, Where do we go from here? If my employee has an abortion with the money I paid her, can I fire her if my religion is against abortion? This is going to get crazy...:confused::rolleyes:

Your logic is good. There is no end to the infringements that are possible in the name of religion. What you suggest makes as much sense as telling women what they can do with their health insurance.

Combining religious motivation with state power is a fast road to tyranny. The two need to check each other, not reinforce each other. That's why they have to be kept seperated.

This is a rotten ruling by a rotten court.

d-ray657 06-30-2014 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by 4-2-7 (Post 228048)
And opens the door for striking down any Government funding using taxpayers money.

Just look at this sentence and see how nonsensical it is. Should all government funding now come from profits on government-owned property, interest on treasury notes, and user fees?

donquixote99 06-30-2014 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by d-ray657 (Post 228068)
Just look at this sentence and see how nonsensical it is. Should all government funding now come from profits on government-owned property, interest on treasury notes, and user fees?

I think he's suggesting the government can't spend someone's tax money of something that violates their religion. And whatever that implies.

It's very deep.

d-ray657 06-30-2014 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by donquixote99 (Post 228069)
I think he's suggesting the government can't spend someone's tax money of something that violates their religion. And whatever that implies.

It's very deep.

That is not what was said however. The statement itself merely suggests that the court now can rule that the government cannot spend taxpayer money.

donquixote99 06-30-2014 11:14 AM

Whatever road you take with it, it's not going to get anywhere that makes sense....

MrPots 06-30-2014 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by donquixote99 (Post 228066)
Your logic is good. There is no end to the infringements that are possible in the name of religion. What you suggest makes as much sense as telling women what they can do with their health insurance.

Combining religious motivation with state power is a fast road to tyranny. The two need to check each other, not reinforce each other. That's why they have to be kept seperated.

This is a rotten ruling by a rotten court.

Indeed, while we have freedom of religion, we've no guarantee to be free from religion or it's tyranny.

Ike Bana 06-30-2014 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by djv8ga (Post 228029)
OK, Where do we go from here? If my employee has an abortion with the money I paid her, can I fire her if my religion is against abortion? This is going to get crazy...:confused::rolleyes:

You really don't know that we're already there? It's an "at-will" country. With minor clauses in a few states, every employer in every state in this nation can fire you immediately and without cause, at will. Because it's automatically assumed you were hired "at-will". It's already crazy.

Ike Bana 06-30-2014 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by djv8ga (Post 228045)
I guess a corporation could fire an employee for committing adultery as well(?). What about Gay marriage?

Yes. Being a cheat, being a liar, being gay, being a smoker, being a Jew, being black, being white, even being 5 below. Because they don't have to disclose why the employee was fired. If the employee decides to file a wrongful termination suit, they may be forced to disclose the cause in court. They will lie, of course.

The way the law works in this country now...you're taking an enormously bigger legal risk giving a former employee a negative referral than you are for firing the same employee for being gay or having an abortion.

You want to know what this country has become, when it comes to the environment every worker deals with?
Take a look...
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...ican_Dream.jpg

Take the religious part of it this crap for a second and it's just more of the same.

CarlV 06-30-2014 12:10 PM

I wonder who will be the first USA ayatollah will be? Maybe Pat Robertson? Swaggart? They both have the totally corrupt and morally bankrupt part down.

Carl

merrylander 06-30-2014 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by 4-2-7 (Post 228032)
No I Vote For Your Inalienable Rights

You a dumb fuck thinking and calling this judgment bigotry when that statement is bigoted.

And who are you to decide if a woman needs contraceptives, when did you get your medical degree? They are used for other medical condition. Nobody stepped on your rights idiot boy if you don't want to use contraceptives then don't (although the thought of you reproducing makes me want to throw up).

merrylander 06-30-2014 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by djv8ga (Post 228037)
I might be wrong, but doesn't this ruling open the door for a corporation to tell an employee how to spend his/her money? Healthcare is nothing more than compensation like a paycheck...correct?

Exactly, so get out your toboggan as we just reached the top of a slippery slope.

merrylander 06-30-2014 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by 4-2-7 (Post 228048)
And opens the door for striking down any Government funding using taxpayers money.

Good can I please have my funds that went to the Iraq war back?

merrylander 06-30-2014 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by MrPots (Post 228077)
Indeed, while we have freedom of religion, we've no guarantee to be free from religion or it's tyranny.

Exactamont mon ami.

djv8ga 06-30-2014 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by merrylander (Post 228092)
Exactly, so get out your toboggan as we just reached the top of a slippery slope.

Great. :rolleyes:

Rajoo 06-30-2014 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by merrylander (Post 228091)
And who are you to decide if a woman needs contraceptives, when did you get your medical degree? They are used for other medical condition. Nobody stepped on your rights idiot boy if you don't want to use contraceptives then don't (although the thought of you reproducing makes me want to throw up).

Don't worry, his dick was probably cut off on his first date and why he is such a misogynist.

4-2-7 06-30-2014 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by d-ray657 (Post 228074)
That is not what was said however. The statement itself merely suggests that the court now can rule that the government cannot spend taxpayer money.

What's the topic D-Ray?

4-2-7 06-30-2014 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by merrylander (Post 228091)
And who are you to decide if a woman needs contraceptives, when did you get your medical degree? They are used for other medical condition. Nobody stepped on your rights idiot boy if you don't want to use contraceptives then don't (although the thought of you reproducing makes me want to throw up).

Don't really care if an indavidual needs contraception it's none of my business.
Oh and fuck off walking zombie sucking up SSI

djv8ga 06-30-2014 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Ike Bana (Post 228086)
You really don't know that we're already there? It's an "at-will" country. With minor clauses in a few states, every employer in every state in this nation can fire you immediately and without cause, at will. Because it's automatically assumed you were hired "at-will". It's already crazy.

I don't disagree.
I'm not good @ understanding legal speak. Every time the SCOTUS makes a ruling, I'm even more confused about the whole damn thing. :o

merrylander 06-30-2014 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by 4-2-7 (Post 228106)
Don't really care if an indavidual needs contraception it's none of my business.
Oh and fuck off walking zombie sucking up SSI

Dipstick I bring more money into this country than I get out of it. As far as SSI goes I was not asked if I wanted any part of it, the whole program was forced on me, FICA is not an option, but then not working you probably never see it.

I was also forced to accept payment at 65 and as I worked until 73 they took back more in taxes that it amounted to because I was in the top bracket. So go take a flying **** at a rolling donut wee laddie. :)

Oh but he is such a dear little cross-eyed floppy eared cutie. :p

BTW if it is really none of your business why have you gotten your knickers in such a twist? Inquiring minds want to know.

donquixote99 06-30-2014 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by 4-2-7 (Post 228102)
What's the topic D-Ray?

Does this mean I was right about what you mean?

donquixote99 06-30-2014 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by 4-2-7 (Post 228106)
Don't really care if an indavidual needs contraception it's none of my business.
Oh and fuck off walking zombie sucking up SSI

But it's OK with you if Hobby Lobby cares. And where can you now draw a line and say 'Hobby Lobby has to butt out it's none of their business?'

Oh, and is the personal abuse your way of getting people to drop an argument you are doing very poorily at, as usual?

Rajoo 06-30-2014 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by donquixote99 (Post 228112)
Oh, and is the personal abuse your way of getting people to drop an argument you are doing very poorily at, as usual?

He claims to be self employed so probably no FICA, gets paid ca$h so gets to cheat on taxes, by his own admission carries no healthcare insurance. So in effect a deadbeat, yet he feels he is on top of the heap. Heap of horse shit I think.

Rajoo 06-30-2014 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Tom Joad (Post 228124)
Probably got a nice inheritance when his mother died and is living off of that.

That would explain why he hung around and took care of her when she was gravely ill. Wanted to make sure he got his windfall.

His lack of respect for decent people and lack of empathy for the less fortunate is reprehensible.

MrPots 06-30-2014 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by 4-2-7 (Post 228020)
Hobby Lobby Wins:rolleyes:

Hobby lobby feels that if you use contraceptives you are evil.

In that spirit, all women who use contraceptives should boycott Hobby Lobby. After all you wouldn't want to give money to a store that thinks you're evil would you?

Hobby Lobby, if they had any ethics would post a notice on their door, "ye evil wenches who use contraceptives are not welcome here"

merrylander 06-30-2014 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by djv8ga (Post 228108)
I don't disagree.
I'm not good @ understanding legal speak. Every time the SCOTUS makes a ruling, I'm even more confused about the whole damn thing. :o

Not half as confused as the Supremes are I will bet.

Oerets 06-30-2014 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by MrPots (Post 228131)
Hobby lobby feels that if you use contraceptives you are evil.

In that spirit, all women who use contraceptives should boycott Hobby Lobby. After all you wouldn't want to give money to a store that thinks you're evil would you?

Hobby Lobby, if they had any ethics would post a notice on their door, "ye evil wenches who use contraceptives are not welcome here"

Last time I went by one of there stores. I noticed only women going into it. Seems to me they might look deeper into their market. Me and the wife do business at more women friendly businesses.

On the list of others like Wal Mart Sam's Club Chick-fil-A that we forgo shopping at.



Barney

MrPots 06-30-2014 02:10 PM

I don't shop at hobby lobby because they put the few local hobby stores out of business since they came in you can't find decent art materials in this town.

I spoke with the missus and she'll no longer shop there. (Wall mart, Sams Club and Chick fil a were already on my "no" list. I'm also expanding my list to include minimum wage establishments like McDonalds....

Oerets 06-30-2014 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by MrPots (Post 228139)
I don't shop at hobby lobby because they put the few local hobby stores out of business since they came in you can't find decent art materials in this town.

I spoke with the missus and she'll no longer shop there. (Wall mart, Sams Club and Chick fil a were already on my "no" list. I'm also expanding my list to include minimum wage establishments like McDonalds....

I think the wife stopped gong there when they started the action.



Barney


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