Chicago Passes Strict Gun Laws
 

http://touch.latimes.com/#section/17.../p2p-80634234/

Good. I hope it spreads.

Will be interesting to see the statistics over the next few years.

I thought they already had pretty tough gun laws.


Wish then all the best.


I've been there and have relatives who live in Chicago. It is a shame but some of the city scared the bejesus out of me when I was there. I'm sorry but from the country like I am, and after years of Hollywood movies and sensationalized news stories seeing what I did and with my family at hand. I must admit was fearful at times.


Barney

I'd like to see how many of the murders in Chicago were committed with legal guns.

The cops sure don't protect you there.

Pete

Illinois now has right to carry, and that's what will bring murder rates down. Chicago already had some of the most stringent gun control laws in the country. They pass this new law in Chicago so they can point to it when the death toll starts coming down, rather than admit right to carry did the trick.

The basic premise of your logic is that 'right to carry' reduces the murder rate.

Why do you think so? Can you explain why I should think so?

That's why it's so safe and peaceful in Somalia and Pakistan.

Boring! This debate has been hashed out here, and everywhere else, ad nauseum. Studies supporting both opinions are out there. There are even studies saying there's no real difference one way or the other. I don't care if you agree with me. I don't care to persuade you to my side. I respect your opinion, and don't care if you respect mine.

Funny I live in a concealed carry area and it's nothing like Somalia - or Chicago.

Pete

Oh poop, I thought this was a discussion board. Alas, you decline to support your basic premise.

Would support the 'makes no big difference' position.

My belief is that the main thing that causes murders is the presence of people who want to murder. They often give their victims scant opportunity for self defense, so defensive carry is generally not decisive.

Easy access to firearms to those who want to murder is certainly a contributing factor.

Support for my premise is at your fingertips. As I said, there are studies supporting my view, and those supporting yours. If you want to run through it all again, have at it. I'll not be participating, as I find it boring, as I already stated.
I cite a study, you discredit the source as biased.
You cite a study, I do the same.
You rant about over-zealous gun nuts, I rant about busy bodies threatening rights.

It's not constructive, it's not entertaining, it's boring as fuck.
Ok?

You assume a lot. I am not an anti-gun zealot or a carry-advocating busy-body.

My view is that the gun debate is pretty much irrelevant, if we are actually interested in crime control, in reducing the chance of violent crime in our lives. I don't think concealed-carry laws are likely to reduce crime, and I don't think the legal availability of guns has much to do with the high levels of crime when and where they are high.

What really happened in regards to the gun laws in Chicago is that they had strict laws on the books which were stuck down by a fed judge. So the city council passed another ordinance to restrict gun sales.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/c...e-law-24301664

As an example, this thread could have been titled "Chicago Loses Battle to
Ban Guns".

I would submit that one thing causing a lot of gun deaths is plain incompetence. As long as you do not have a record, and are not obviously a mental case you can buy a gun, even if you have trouble finding your arse with both hands and a flashlight.

Those are failed countries for other reasons.

It would be reasonable if you compare areas in the US.

The NRA is getting loaded and ready.

Wayne LaPierre: Let’s Prove Bloomberg Can’t Buy American Liberty

http://dailycaller.com/2014/06/24/wa...rican-liberty/

A way to have fewer murders:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/pb/opi...UQM_story.html

Thanks for the link.

Oh joy, another opportunity for the NRA gun dummies to wax stupid.

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Thanks DQ x2. Something we could all get behind I think.

Pete

And the solution is, what? Some sort of devastatingly effective restraing order for the roughly 25 percent of gun violence victims or am I missing something.

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We have open carry here as well as concealed carry. I still hear gunshots nearly every Friday and Saturday night. Our local news is still full of shooting stories. The 4th of July is coming and I am certain that, once again, I will hear gunfire including automatic gunfire, behind the fireworks.

It's a very distinct sound.

OC and CC do nothing to reduce crime, from what I've seen. Funny how we, left AND right, trust government stats when it serves our purpose, isn't it?

Dave

Naw! How could that be?

Dave