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barbara 06-23-2014 02:20 PM

Paid maternity leave
 
Obama is promoting paid maternity leave.

I didn't realize that most countries already do this.


http://www.nytimes.com/imagepages/20...ontz2-map.html

bobabode 06-23-2014 02:32 PM

We're number one, again. :(

Ike Bana 06-23-2014 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by barbara (Post 226594)
Obama is promoting paid maternity leave.

I didn't realize that most countries already do this.


http://www.nytimes.com/imagepages/20...ontz2-map.html

Yep...most other 1st world countries have this, and have had for years. Then again most other 1st world countries have lots of health care stuff that the Koch brothers disapprove of. Most countries don't allow corporations to squeeze the blood out of their employees, be they upper management or the guy who plunges out the toilet in the CEO's private jet. Everybody gets reasonable vacation time and can't be penalized for taking it. Everybody gets a reasonable work week and can't be penalized for not putting in extra hours for no money.

Check out this list and note who's zero:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ave_by_country

donquixote99 06-23-2014 03:56 PM

Hey, Belarus not on list! Very suspicious--might be another zero....

Seriously, another reason to questions America's claim to be a 1st world nation.

Ike Bana 06-23-2014 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by donquixote99 (Post 226629)
Hey, Belarus not on list! Very suspicious--might be another zero....

Seriously, another reason to questions America's claim to be a 1st world nation.

I'd be willing to bet Belarus has a government mandated minimum yearly vacation and healthcare for everybody including paid maternity leave.

Pio1980 06-23-2014 10:05 PM

So? It doesn't fit the Rights utopian vision of a return to 19th century industrial feudalism.

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4-2-7 06-23-2014 10:53 PM

Almost all companies already give it. What we need another law?

Rajoo 06-23-2014 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by 4-2-7 (Post 226765)
Almost all companies already give it. What we need another law?

Ignorance is bliss if you keep it to yourself. Try and read these,

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/23/yo...anted=all&_r=0

and

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014...ama-thinks-so/

Warning: Second one's caption says "Obama thinks so"

d-ray657 06-23-2014 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by 4-2-7 (Post 226765)
Almost all companies already give it. What we need another law?


"And yet only about half of all first-time moms in the United States are able to take any paid leave after childbirth; and just a fifth of working women with young children receive leave with full pay, according to a review of the most recent Census data by the Washington, DC–based advocacy group National Partnership for Women & Families. Nor is the situation getting better. A Families and Work Institute report found only 16 percent of the companies it surveyed offered fully paid maternity leave in 2008, down from 27 percent in 1998."
http://www.workingmother.com/best-co...aternity-leave
"According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, only 11 percent of all private industry workers have access to paid family leave (16 percent of state and local government employees have access to some paid family leave; federal workers don’t get any, though all employees may be able to use accrued sick leave). Well-paid people who work in managerial or professional occupations at companies with 100 employees or more are the most likely to have the benefit, according to the Institute for Women’s Policy Research."
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/23/yo...pagewanted=all

Doesn't even come close to "most." Even further from "almost all."

d-ray657 06-23-2014 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by BeamOn (Post 226769)
Ignorance is bliss if you keep it to yourself. Try and read these,

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/23/yo...anted=all&_r=0

and

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014...ama-thinks-so/

Warning: Second one's caption says "Obama thinks so"

Chronic and intentional.

Rajoo 06-23-2014 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by d-ray657 (Post 226771)
Chronic and intentional.

I can live with chronic, intentional is irksome.

JJIII 06-24-2014 07:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by barbara (Post 226594)
Obama is promoting paid maternity leave.

I didn't realize that most countries already do this.


http://www.nytimes.com/imagepages/20...ontz2-map.html

Is there something you're not telling us?:D

Ike Bana 06-24-2014 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by 4-2-7 (Post 226765)
Almost all companies already give it. What we need another law?

And if she takes it, she's in danger of finder her job gone when she returns. Workers aren't taking the vacation days they are "given", because they're afraid their job will be gone when they return.

4-2-7 06-24-2014 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Ike Bana (Post 226800)
And if she takes it, she's in danger of finder her job gone when she returns. Workers aren't taking the vacation days they are "given", because they're afraid their job will be gone when they return.

Do you have any propaganda to substantiate your claim?

Pio1980 06-24-2014 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by 4-2-7 (Post 226801)
Do you have any propaganda to substantiate your claim?

Change your gender, get pregnant while working in a right-to-work State, try it and get back to us on how it worked out for you. OK?

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4-2-7 06-24-2014 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Pio1980 (Post 226804)
Change your gender, get pregnant while working in a right-to-work State, try it and get back to us on how it worked out for you. OK?

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Maybe I'm bias living in Cal:confused:

4-2-7 06-24-2014 09:33 AM

Ouestion

Why do we need this law now? I thought ACA just took care of this making people independent of the employer.

djv8ga 06-24-2014 09:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pio1980 (Post 226804)
Change your gender, get pregnant while working in a right-to-work State, try it and get back to us on how it worked out for you. OK?

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Watched my wife do it with 2 kids - no problem.

Pio1980 06-24-2014 09:40 AM

Too bad that it doesn't work like that everywhere when there is no accountability for ethical practice.

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4-2-7 06-24-2014 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Pio1980 (Post 226810)
Too bad that it doesn't work like that everywhere when there is no accountability for ethical practice.

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Like the VA?:rolleyes:

barbara 06-24-2014 09:47 AM

When I took maternity leave over thirty years ago, I applied for disability and received disability checks, which were less than what my paycheck would have been. Applying for disability was/is standard practice for maternity leave.

If I remember correctly, one could be on disability for six weeks. After that point, there were no more disability benefits and no guarantee that I would have a job to return to.

I have a real problem considering pregnancy and birth a 'disability' and quite symbolic of our twisted sense of 'family values'.

Pio1980 06-24-2014 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by 4-2-7 (Post 226811)
Like the VA?:rolleyes:

Mine's working fine here in spite of the glitches elsewhere, otherwise it's always about accountability whether public or private practice.

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donquixote99 06-24-2014 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by 4-2-7 (Post 226807)
Ouestion

Why do we need this law now? I thought ACA just took care of this making people independent of the employer.

You're confusing health insurance with income security.

donquixote99 06-24-2014 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by djv8ga (Post 226808)
Watched my wife do it with 2 kids - no problem.

And as long as you have no problem, that's all that matters!

Ike Bana 06-24-2014 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by 4-2-7 (Post 226801)
Do you have any propaganda to substantiate your claim?

Do you have a birth certificate to substantiate that you had human parents?



See below:

Ike Bana 06-24-2014 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by barbara (Post 226813)
when i took maternity leave over thirty years ago, i applied for disability and received disability checks, which were less than what my paycheck would have been. Applying for disability was/is standard practice for maternity leave.

If i remember correctly, one could be on disability for six weeks. After that point, there were no more disability benefits and no guarantee that i would have a job to return to.

I have a real problem considering pregnancy and birth a 'disability' and quite symbolic of our twisted sense of 'family values'.

++1000

MikeG22 06-24-2014 10:25 AM

My wife got six weeks with both kids. After the first she went back part time. Now she stays home since two kids in daycare is financial suicide. Besides I can't see a mother returning to work and leaving a six week baby in day care. The whole system sucks, we should take a lesson from Canada.

Ike Bana 06-24-2014 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by djv8ga (Post 226808)
Watched my wife do it with 2 kids - no problem.

Bully for you. Sometime there's no problem, sometimes there is. That you don't give a shit about any other women's problems when it comes to maternity leave should come as no big surprise to anybody.

piece-itpete 06-24-2014 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by JJIII (Post 226797)
Is there something you're not telling us?:D

ROTFLMAO!

Pete


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