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bobabode 06-10-2014 07:31 PM

Cantor Loses Primary?
 
http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/elec...lenger-n127946

:rolleyes: Republicants eatin' their own...Who knows, maybe a chance for the Dems in the Old Dominion? ;)

finnbow 06-10-2014 07:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bobabode (Post 223906)
http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/elec...lenger-n127946

:rolleyes: Republicants eatin' their own...Who knows, maybe a chance for the Dems in the Old Dominion? ;)

There are no Democratic candidates in his district. We now will have another crazed Teabagger to laugh at.

bobabode 06-10-2014 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by finnbow (Post 223908)
There are no Democratic candidates in his district. We now will have another crazed Teabagger to laugh at.

Oh well. See my response in your thread. :D

finnbow 06-10-2014 07:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bobabode (Post 223911)
Oh well. See my response in your thread. :D

I was mistaken. There is a Democratic challenger who is unopposed in the primary. Interestingly, he is a professor at the same school (Randolph Macon College) as the Teabagger who beat Cantor.

bobabode 06-10-2014 07:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by finnbow (Post 223913)
I was mistaken. There is a Democratic challenger who is unopposed in the primary. Interestingly, he is a professor at the same school (Randolph Macon College) as the Teabagger who beat Cantor.

Cool but I'll bet it's a looooong shot. Thanks Finn.

Fast_Eddie 06-10-2014 09:05 PM

Great googly moogly. I didn't see this coming. Can't-or wasn't conservative enough. Wow. I can't imagine the Democrat has a chance. But that's a stunner. I can't imagine there's someone on the planet I would dislike more than Can't-or. But it's possible. And we thought they did absolutely nothing now. Wait until you see how dysfunctional the Republican House can be now! Yikes.

icenine 06-10-2014 11:50 PM

The revolution eats its young. If he had lost to an "establishment GOP" candidate it would be a good sign. This is a bad one. I think they are done at the Presidential level.

donquixote99 06-11-2014 08:20 AM

Paralysis at the federal level suits some people. If they can't govern, obstruction will do.

Pio1980 06-11-2014 08:23 AM

Was it Stalin that banished persons for being "insufficiently Soviet"? Lot of that going around with the Teapub's these days.

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donquixote99 06-11-2014 08:33 AM

The ability to banish people through ideological attacks always brings certain sorts of personalities to the fore....

Technically, they are called "louts."

donquixote99 06-11-2014 08:38 AM

I love it when I hit upon just the right word!


Quote:

lout
noun
an uncouth or aggressive man or boy.
"drunken louts"
synonyms: ruffian, hooligan, thug, boor, barbarian, oaf, hoodlum, rowdy, lubber; informaltough, roughneck, bruiser, yahoo, lug, knuckle-dragger
"drunken louts"

icenine 06-11-2014 09:15 AM

Chuck Todd inteviewed the victor....some guy with a PH.D in economics with the same old tired Teabagger/anti-big government vibe....seems to be a free-market type that is against amnesty and Wall Street collusion. He sounds like the type that could have an Aiken moment since he would not come out and state he believes in AN actual minimum wage. Sort of weirdly mentioned sub-Sahara Africans as an example of people it would be great to pay $100 dollars an hour to but the laws of economics dicates the impossibility of this.

A conservative Democrat with his chit together might be able to knock this guy off.
I think this Brat guy is a smart dude just spouting talking points to garner low information votes but he has an organization. But there is something weird about him.

donquixote99 06-11-2014 09:30 AM

If he wasn't weird, he wouldn't have run against Cantor.

icenine 06-11-2014 09:55 AM

It would be easy to dismiss him but then again he knocked off the majority leader.
However his influence will be minimal in comparison to what Cantor's would have been after the 2014 battle.

Dondilion 06-11-2014 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by icenine (Post 223986)
It would be easy to dismiss him but then again he knocked off the majority leader.
However his influence will be minimal in comparison to what Cantor's would have been after the 2014 battle.

Cantor was cocky and the guy was lucky to have issues like "children at the borders" working for him.

donquixote99 06-11-2014 10:39 AM

Were you mugged by a guy from El Salvador or something? Your sure seem 'activated' on this 'child invasion' thing....

Dondilion 06-11-2014 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by donquixote99 (Post 223996)
Were you mugged by a guy from El Salvador or something? Your sure seem 'activated' on this 'child invasion' thing....

That is neither here nor there. "Children at the border" is now a driving force in Republican politics. They view it as an out growth of the "Dream Act".
The cumulative result...Immigration Reform is dead in the near future.

merrylander 06-11-2014 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Dondilion (Post 224005)
That is neither here nor there. "Children at the border" is now a driving force in Republican politics. They view it as an out growth of the "Dream Act".
The cumulative result...Immigration Reform is dead in the near future.

The Dream act only applies to children already here and also has other restrictions, but then he Republicans woul lie to their own mothers.;)

Fast_Eddie 06-11-2014 11:41 AM

A few thoughts:

It's interesting that Can't-or gerrymandered himself out of a job. In building what he thought would be a district so conservative he'd never lose, he built one so conservative he couldn't win. Amazing bit of backfire.

It's frightening because it furthers the idea that Republican should never compromise. Can't-or allegedly is ousted because he suggested that just maybe they should find common ground on immigration. Since compromise is what makes democracy work, it's a little scary. I wonder if the American people will continue to support a congress that literally does absolutely nothing, and now, even runs on a promise to do absolutely nothing.

I also wonder if this won't force even more extreme candidates for national office. Republicans already face an electoral math problem. Pushing the party even further right will make that even more difficult to over-come. As a Democrat, I'm tempted to see that as good news. But really it's not. We're watching what is really a very small group of people move the collective conversation further right. It's moving Democrats to the right as well. Look at the health care issue. We enacted the Nixon/Romney solution - what was always seen as the "Republican" plan. Now it's called "So************************m". The only bright spot - if indeed the Republicans move so far to the right they can't win the White House for several more cycles, the Supreme Court will shift and stay that way for a very long time.

I suspect, however, that middle Republicans will start to get tired of the extreme rhetoric at some point. Some already realize that demonizing the fastest growing demographic in the country is political suicide. Someone will come along and find the right combination of language and charisma to convince the base that they need to change. It's not outside the realm of possible that we'll see the Republican party split. If that were to happen, the Tea Hatters would be exposed for what they are - a small, angry, racist faction. The return of a reasonable Republican party would attract a lot of the Independents who left when things started getting so weird.

Fast_Eddie 06-11-2014 11:46 AM

Also worth note: Cantor was the only Republican Jew in the House. It would be foolish not to realize that played a role in all this. Christian conservatives haven't been less than vocal about their desire to see Christian dogma instituted into US law. Cantor didn't fit that social agenda.

bobabode 06-11-2014 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Fast_Eddie (Post 224011)
A few thoughts:

It's interesting that Can't-or gerrymandered himself out of a job. In building what he thought would be a district so conservative he'd never lose, he built one so conservative he couldn't win. Amazing bit of backfire.

It's frightening because it furthers the idea that Republican should never compromise. Can't-or allegedly is ousted because he suggested that just maybe they should find common ground on immigration. Since compromise is what makes democracy work, it's a little scary. I wonder if the American people will continue to support a congress that literally does absolutely nothing, and now, even runs on a promise to do absolutely nothing.

I also wonder if this won't force even more extreme candidates for national office. Republicans already face an electoral math problem. Pushing the party even further right will make that even more difficult to over-come. As a Democrat, I'm tempted to see that as good news. But really it's not. We're watching what is really a very small group of people move the collective conversation further right. It's moving Democrats to the right as well. Look at the health care issue. We enacted the Nixon/Romney solution - what was always seen as the "Republican" plan. Now it's called "So************************m". The only bright spot - if indeed the Republicans move so far to the right they can't win the White House for several more cycles, the Supreme Court will shift and stay that way for a very long time.

I suspect, however, that middle Republicans will start to get tired of the extreme rhetoric at some point. Some already realize that demonizing the fastest growing demographic in the country is political suicide. Someone will come along and find the right combination of language and charisma to convince the base that they need to change. It's not outside the realm of possible that we'll see the Republican party split. If that were to happen, the Tea Hatters would be exposed for what they are - a small, angry, racist faction. The return of a reasonable Republican party would attract a lot of the Independents who left when things started getting so weird.

Well put sir.

donquixote99 06-11-2014 12:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fast_Eddie (Post 224011)
A few thoughts:

It's interesting that Can't-or gerrymandered himself out of a job. In building what he thought would be a district so conservative he'd never lose, he built one so conservative he couldn't win. Amazing bit of backfire.

It's frightening because it furthers the idea that Republican should never compromise. Can't-or allegedly is ousted because he suggested that just maybe they should find common ground on immigration. Since compromise is what makes democracy work, it's a little scary. I wonder if the American people will continue to support a congress that literally does absolutely nothing, and now, even runs on a promise to do absolutely nothing.

I also wonder if this won't force even more extreme candidates for national office. Republicans already face an electoral math problem. Pushing the party even further right will make that even more difficult to over-come. As a Democrat, I'm tempted to see that as good news. But really it's not. We're watching what is really a very small group of people move the collective conversation further right. It's moving Democrats to the right as well. Look at the health care issue. We enacted the Nixon/Romney solution - what was always seen as the "Republican" plan. Now it's called "So************************m". The only bright spot - if indeed the Republicans move so far to the right they can't win the White House for several more cycles, the Supreme Court will shift and stay that way for a very long time.

I suspect, however, that middle Republicans will start to get tired of the extreme rhetoric at some point. Some already realize that demonizing the fastest growing demographic in the country is political suicide. Someone will come along and find the right combination of language and charisma to convince the base that they need to change. It's not outside the realm of possible that we'll see the Republican party split. If that were to happen, the Tea Hatters would be exposed for what they are - a small, angry, racist faction. The return of a reasonable Republican party would attract a lot of the Independents who left when things started getting so weird.

Making the legislature dysfunctional can create a "crisis." I know of a party in Europe, in the early 30's, that included sabotaging the legislature as part of its successful bid to sieze power....

The demographic disaster happening to the Republicans at the national level may be spurring some to contemplate drastic solutions. Perhaps there is some thought in dark corners that radical change can happen in a crisis.

Fast_Eddie 06-11-2014 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by donquixote99 (Post 224032)
Making the legislature dysfunctional can create a "crisis." I know of a party in Europe, in the early 30's, that included sabotaging the legislature as part of its successful bid to sieze power....

The demographic disaster happening to the Republicans at the national level may be spurring some to contemplate drastic solutions. Perhaps there is some thought in dark corners that radical change can happen in a crisis.

Who knows - they might start pointing guns at federal agents or shooting cops.

donquixote99 06-11-2014 01:02 PM

It's just a few very small steps from paramilitaries acting with impunity on the Nevada range, and paramilitaries acting with impunity in other places, and then lots of places....

http://pesn.com/2014/04/12/9602469_I...erence_400.jpg

Dondilion 06-11-2014 01:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fast_Eddie (Post 224013)
Also worth note: Cantor was the only Republican Jew in the House. It would be foolish not to realize that played a role in all this. Christian conservatives haven't been less than vocal about their desire to see Christian dogma instituted into US law. Cantor didn't fit that social agenda.

I

I doubt he being a Jew played a part in his down fall.
Conservatives are the strongest supporters of Zionism/Israel
and some of their biggest money donors are Jewish.

From all reports Cantor was confident and neglected his home base.
It is felt that he probably could have overcome the Obama/immigration
association if he had spent more time in his constituency.

bobabode 06-11-2014 04:23 PM

Cantor to step down as majority leader.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politi...y.html?hpid=z1

BlueStreak 06-11-2014 05:33 PM

I think Eddie touched on something that I've been wondering about;

Isn't the essence of political Conservatism supposed to be an opposition to extremism/ radicalism of any sort?

Dave

BlueStreak 06-11-2014 05:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dondilion (Post 224058)
I

I doubt he being a Jew played a part in his down fall.
Conservatives are the strongest supporters of Zionism/Israel
and some of their biggest money donors are Jewish.

From all reports Cantor was confident and neglected his home base.
It is felt that he probably could have overcome the Obama/immigration
association if he had spent more time in his constituency.

Except I don't believe these people are really "conservative" in the classic sense. Not in the Barry Goldwater/ Ronald Reagan vein, Don. They are more like "right wing radicals", IMO.

Dave

BlueStreak 06-11-2014 05:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by donquixote99 (Post 223970)
The ability to banish people through ideological attacks always brings certain sorts of personalities to the fore....

Technically, they are called "louts."

Quote:

Originally Posted by donquixote99 (Post 223973)
I love it when I hit upon just the right word!

like the new (to me) word I've learned since buying a membership at Planet Fitness; "Lunk", short for "Lunkhead";

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/lunkhead

Or as one of the employees told me; "A noisy, obnoxious, and judgmental idiot." ;)

Dave

merrylander 06-12-2014 06:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlueStreak (Post 224119)
like the new (to me) word I've learned since buying a membership at Planet Fitness; "Lunk", short for "Lunkhead";

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/lunkhead

Or as one of the employees told me; "A noisy, obnoxious, and judgmental idiot." ;)

Dave

e.g., a Republican:p

icenine 06-12-2014 07:24 AM

Well if you are a Congressman dedicated to anti-government actions like defaulting on the debt ceiling, decreasing the credit-rating of the USA, and supporting the shutdown of the US Government well then why the fuck are you in Congress for anyway?. Cantor was not bringing home the bacon.

donquixote99 06-12-2014 07:50 AM

In the face of what they perceive as an extraordinary threat, the right-wing high-wealth activists are employing extraordinary means. The threat is the changing American demographics that will in coming years keep the Democrats in unbreakable control of the Presidency and the Senate, with the House protected only by gerrymandering that will eventually be undone, state by state.

The extraordinary means are to use control of the House to make the nation ungovernable, creating a crisis that will open the way to a violent overthrow of the current constitution.

merrylander 06-12-2014 08:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by donquixote99 (Post 224222)
In the face of what they perceive as an extraordinary threat, the right-wing high-wealth activists are employing extraordinary means. The threat is the changing American demographics that will in coming years keep the Democrats in unbreakable control of the Presidency and the Senate, with the House protected only by gerrymandering that will eventually be undone, state by state.

The extraordinary means are to use control of the House to make the nation ungovernable, creating a crisis that will open the way to a violent overthrow of the current constitution.

Good then maybe we can adopt a parliamentary form and actually get summat done for a change.

bobabode 06-13-2014 05:15 PM

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politi...y.html?hpid=z1

Looks like Kevin McCarthy R(ino) Ca. has the Teahadi's beat for Cantor's job. Raul Labrador-TP appears to be putting up some token opposition. :rolleyes:

bobabode 06-13-2014 05:23 PM

Ted Nugent weighs in on Cantor.

"I say we the people have had way more than enough compromise, backpedaling, Joseph Goebbels and Saul Alinsky smoke-and-mirrors politics for one generation, and I say it's about time we go Eric Cantor on the whole gang of deceivers and liars infesting our government right now. There's only so much decent people can take."

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2014/06...zi-styl/199690

Pio1980 06-13-2014 05:30 PM

Eric Cantor can take Nugent to obscurity with him. Good riddance to them both.

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donquixote99 06-13-2014 05:32 PM

Ted Nugent is a Weapon of Mind Destruction.

Pio1980 06-13-2014 05:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by donquixote99 (Post 224605)
Ted Nugent is a Weapon of Mind Destruction.

He pretty much discredits anything with which he's associated, as do the Excrement in Fraudcasting guys


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bobabode 06-13-2014 10:03 PM

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinio...y.html?hpid=z3

"This is the real lesson of Cantor’s stunning defeat.
Sometimes a loser is just a loser." Parker WaPo

Brutal, just brutal. :D

bobabode 06-13-2014 10:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pio1980 (Post 224606)
He pretty much discredits anything with which he's associated, as do the Excrement in Fraudcasting guys


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It figures that the interview he gave was on WND. :rolleyes:


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