Bowe Bergdahl
 

This may have been expressed before...if so, my apologies in advance for the repetition.

Anyway...The really nauseating part of all this is the way conservatives and Republicans (and now even Bergdahl's hometown which has cancelled his "welcome home" event) are acting in light of the possible...possible...circumstances of his "capture". It's clear he may have, for who knows what reasons, walked away from his post, or station, or whatever the army is calling the the apparent fucking rag on a stick shithole in the desert where his unit was located (according to what other unit members have reported). But that hasn't stopped long-time supporters of our professional all-volunteer highly trained and operationally superior forces, like Hannity, Limbaugh, that asshole Buck Sexton, and various and sundry GOP vote whores in Congress from taking a giant shit on Bergdahl without any really solid evidence of what actually happened.

And I was thinkin' if the situation were reversed, and President Willard had worked this politically driven deal (the GOP whores do it as well, eh?), and liberals and Democrat politicians were taking a giant shit on Bergdahl...the cons would be screaming bloody murder...spewing putrid chunks out their festering pieholes all over the airwaves about how Democrats and liberals hate the military and are jumping the gun and victimizing a possibly innocent guy, for political purposes.

The worst is Hannity, of course, with all his multiple appearances at all the Lt. Dan Band concerts for our honored troops:rolleyes:...on split screens with Sexton, both of them excreting streams of bloody diarrhea all over Bergdahl for the past week.

Whether the solder did wrong or not no longer matters. His name has been dragged through the mud and will be forever stained by innuendo and speculation.

Pretty damned sad.

It doesn't matter what he -- may -- have done, right or wrong, as a soldier: we get him back and undertake any disciplinary action necessary on our own terms.

He belongs to us, not the Taliban.

Even the patriotic Americans of Hailey, Idaho have decided he's a traitorous sack of shit and not worthy of a welcome back. A couple of tweets and a few Facebook posts and the city fathers on right on that anit-Obama train. Because that's what it is...it has nothing to do with Bowe Bergdahl...who is convenient, regardless of what the truth may be.

And so we have this email his to his parents:
And if it's accurate, I'm gonna say, hey thanks Bowe...it's about time somebody who knows the story had the balls to tell the story. It's no different from the attitude most grunts had toward the Vietnamese 45 years ago. Anybody who's been in the military, and particularly anybody who's been on a combat deployment (that is not me), knows how it works, combat deployment experience or not.

Afghanistan can only be saved by Afghanistanis.
After we leave and if Kabul and Kandahar fall to the Taliban we will have wasted our time there for nothing. Five guys who have spent 15 years in Gitmo and were replaced in the Taliban hierarchy a long time ago will not make one difference.


It is as if the Republicans want everything to fail just because they hate Obama so much.

Before this happened they were saying he had not done enough to get the guy out.

A white Republican did this no one would be saying anything.

It comes as no surprise that the likes of you Ike, who cheers for another terror attack on the United States, would thank an apparent deserter as someone who has "balls".

As for me, I'm a bit more persuaded by the likes of Leon Panetta, who opposed the exchange.

http://triblive.com/news/adminpage/6...#axzz33mR7qtfB

Quoted for truth.

Ever been in the military service of this country? Have a fucking clue what it's about? Unless and until you have you can STFU about it.

The operative word in your post is "apparent". I suppose I could say, you're an apparent asshole and be just as accurate about you as you are about Bowe Bergdahl.:rolleyes:

And you're an asshole until you produce a post of mine where I've cheered for another terrorist attack on this country. Go fuck yourself whell.

That's the way I see it.

Is not the new trend 'trial by media' just amazing? I wonder whatever happened to 'innocent until proven guilty" or have we discarded the Sixth.

Tom's son could probably tell us .armchair JAG officers' what the horror over there is like but I doubt he wants to talk about it. Perhaps laying down his weapon and walking into the night he hoped they would kill him? Having once honestly looked suicide in the face that I could understand. Whatever, I will wait until we get his side of the story, but even then not having walked that heelhole in his boots I will leave condemnation to others, I have enogh sins of my own to answer for.

What pisses me off most is that the persistent chickenhawk flagwavers, out there supporting the military and goddamn military families are putting Bergdahl's parents through hell (regardless of the actual history) for one reason only. Because they hate Barack Obama. Every one of them is fucking scum.

If Panetta thinks exchanges like this are a mistake, that's fine. I probably agree with him. But that isn't what this is about. It's about the behavior of right-wing talkshow gasbags and GOP vote whores. And also schmucks like whell who don't know WTF they're talking about, but spew their inane crap, including lies about fellow members, all over this forum anyway.

We've managed to embold the 1st with power it should not have, completely discard the 4th, and make a mockery of the 2nd. Why not?

That is as well put a description of the current state of Constitutional affairs as I have ever heard.

Happy to oblige you Ike.

You believe this country deserves to be attacked by one or more of the 5 terrorists that were released last week. No other way to interpret the above post, Ike. And its pretty damn sad to see someone say something like that.

And lookie here - looks like Bergdah's release will be inspiring Ike's terrorist heroes to go kidnap some more.

http://time.com/2826534/bowe-bergdahl-taliban-captors/

Asked whether the Taliban would be inspired by the exchange to kidnap others, he laughed. “Definitely,” he says. “It’s better to kidnap one person like Bergdahl than kidnapping hundreds of useless people. It has encouraged our people. Now everybody will work hard to capture such an important bird.”

It's not cheering for anything. It's understanding what this country does and that what goes around comes around. What came around in Iran in 1979, came around because of our arrogant interference in the government of Iran by the CIA. What we're dealing with in Iran is exactly what we deserve. What came around in Iraq, came around because of our arrogant interference in the government of Iraq...the ridiculous Rumsfeld/Old Man Bush support for Saddam Hussain because he was at war with the same Iran we fucked up 30 years earlier. What we're dealing with in Iraq is exactly what we deserve. We're dealing with exactly what we deserve in Cuba, Guatemala, El Salvador, Vietnam, and everywhere else where we decided our interests trump sovereignty, independence and self-determination. We get exactly what we deserve all over the world. What came around on 9/11, came around because this country played cold war politics with the lives of Jews and Arabs in the middle east for 50 years. It came around because we just had to have the upper hand on the Russians. We didn't give a shit in Stalin's hat for any Jews or Arabs...we still don't give a shit for any Jews or Arabs.

I don't believe innocents anywhere deserve to be incinerated...but what goes around comes around whell. Nobody has incinerated more innocent people in the history of the world than this country has. If you think that's cheering, you can think whatever you like. It makes no fucking difference to me.

So, on 2/26/93 when the WTC was bombed and 6 people died, and 1000 were injured, we deserved that, and those folks got what they deserved? So we deserved the attack on 9/11, and those folks in the twin towers got what they deserved? And the folks who died inside the planes got what they deserved?

You're sick.

You don't read any better than 5 below spells. It's not about the Taliban or Bowe Bergdahl. It's about right-wing dumbfucking parasites like you who are willing to shit all over Bergdahl and his family because you hate Barack Obama.

Quoted for truth.

Read what wrote. I don't want any innocents from anywhere incinerated. But this country is reaping exactly what it has sowed. And I'll go as far as to say that as long as the people of this country support and have supported what this country does and has done through their persistent refusal to change the way the government of this country works, then the people of this country are getting exactly what they deserve as well. Americans get exactly the kind of government they deserve and exactly the kind of outcomes they deserve for it.

If you don't like it...you know which way you can bend over and what you can do with it.

Quoted for truth again. You're on a roll Ike.

AW...shucks, man.

The flagwaving self entitled chickenhawk dirtbags in D.C. and the rest of this country have been playing this game for as long as I can remember.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ScisGFllPY&feature=kp

Unfortunately many of those people didn't deserve it.

They got killed and maimed because of the actions and attitudes of assholes like you that did deserve it.

That's the problem.

As Americans we all get lumped together with assholes like you.

That's why whenever I post on the internet I want to make damn sure I distance myself as much as possible from shitheads like you.

Well the American dead of 9/11 and the Afghan and Iraq Wars must give you great "see I told you so" satisfaction then. :rolleyes:

The only people being told anything by me are people the likes of you. :rolleyes: indeed.

I thank you for that. Now why don't you and your friend Ike go cook up some popcorn and go watch some Bowe Bergdahl videos.

Word.

The GOP has been clamoring for this guy's release for years and a bunch of them sent out congratulatory patriotic tweets upon his release (which they all have now erased now that they've chosen to go political on the affair).

You appear to care far more about Bergdahl than I do. I'm more concerned - and saddened - by the refuse that seems to so easily flow out of you.

Howabout you take a flying leap onto a bicycle without a seat?

That 'we' of yours sure does get all over everything. Did you fuck with anyone in any of those places? Did I? But if 'we' meet a Lou's for a pizza some time and somebody blows the joint up, will 'we' deserve it? I know you said innocents don't deserve it--but 'we' do? Who is this 'we'?

Now I do get what you mean here. Right on!

A self-righteous citizenry who blindly accepts American interventionism as patriotism? "American Exceptionalism" is bullshit.

So it's not the issues, it's the chance to bash another poster?

Do what Tom said.

Substituting 'citizenship' for 'we' doesn't fix things for me. This is still a matter of saying 300 million people are 'one moral actor.' Which I don't see as making much sense.

I'm fine with saying the ignorant patriots are dummies, and should be blamed some. Just don't identify the whole shebang as them.

That merely leaves the folks who vote for and actively support them... :rolleyes:

Personally, if you're not actively voting against their agenda and doing everything you can to educate those troglodytic dolts who do, I believe you're part of the "we" and get what you have coming.

Is that everyone? No.

But it's more than you're excusing, IMO.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/m...ation/?hpid=z1

Man, I'm getting sick and tired of civic leaders with zero f*#king backbone listening to every a@@hole with a Facebook account tweeting their ignerant hate speech and then slinking back under a rock while making mealy mouthed excuses.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinio...y.html?hpid=z3

Milbank nails it in an oped at the Post.

"Obama’s opponents came up with more links than a sausage factory. People in both instances had signed nondisclosure agreements! In both cases, there were contradictory accounts of what happened! Fox’s Sean Hannity found a tie between the two in his contention that “we’re being lied to an awful lot.”
Former congressman Allen West (R-Fla.) found the two instances similar because “there is a lot to this whole episode — like Benghazi — that we may never know.”
Luckily for West, knowledge is not a requirement. He has already declared l’affaire Bergdahl an impeachable offense."

Think about all this, and read some HL Mencken quotes on democracy, and you'll start wondering if China and Singapore aren't onto a better idea...

HL Mencken

Even though I (sort of) understand what you're saying and agree with the following points;

1). To the right wing propaganda machine this is way more about Obama than it is Bergdahl.

2). That the military may have gone after him at the first clear opportunity anyways. Especially IF he was committing treason and giving the enemy useful information. (Which I doubt.)

Your style of delivery of these points, I really don't care much for, Ike.

"...fucking rag on a stick shithole in the desert where his unit was located...", really?

It may be a shithole, but that outpost is made up of of people who depended on him for mutual protection. He clearly violated that trust. It wasn't the outpost he abandoned, it was the people.

Dave