No Muslim Headscarves in France
 

If I see another muslim glorified on cnn because the were wrongly stereotyped
at an airport, I'm gonna throw up.

This is clearly an attack on the right to personal and religious expression. It's no different from a law that would ban the wearing of a yarmulke, a tilaka or a crucifix.

John

I hate to say it but if they don't like being told they can't dress like bank robbers, they need to stay in their native lands, or come to america and sue us cause its their right....

I never seen a kippa or cross covering up ones entire face.

Yeah, it's a cinch to hide an RPG or an AK under a veil!

John

Has zero to do with hiding weapons underneath. Sorry but your points are not even close to being valid imo.

Underneath what, a veil or a scarf? What about a loose fitting non-sectarian dress or coat? Now, there you could hide something but that won't be illegal.

Actually, as the underwear bomber showed, it's possible to hide major amounts of explosives pretty much anywhere on your person, regardless of clothing. Heck, there was a recent attempt on a Saudi prince where the bomber put the explosives up his ass. Even if he'd been buck naked the explosives would have been invisible.

Face it, Grumpy. This is just pure religious bigotry like the ban on minarets in Switzerland.

John

+1. Not only is it an attack on personal/religious expression, imposing this ban would likely be counterproductive. It would probably help radicalize some who would otherwise not have become radicalized. Also, it would end up effectively banning religiously observant Muslim women from going outdoors. The French need to get a grip on their immigration policy. They have 5 million Muslims in their country. Did they really think all these folks were going to start promenading down the Champs Elysee wearing the latest in Parisian fashion.
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How could this be a problem?............say cheese!

And bearing their breasts a la Marianne? One can but hope!

John

We have a muslim woman here (at least they believe she is) who got a drivers license that allows her to drive wearing a burka. Now you may not be able to hide an AK47 under a veil but you can hide anyone under a burka, there is no way of telling if it is a man or woman, explosive vest or whatever. She is wearing the damn thing in the photo on her license.

And using freedom of religion she lied because in her own country she would never be allowed to drive and in certain ones not even allowed out of the house without a male relative accompanying her. She is basically an accident looking for a place to happen.

Um no and don't presume anything about me. I do not about you.

If one chooses not to abide by another countries laws then don't. But when they asked to leave they better be ready to.

Rob, I mentioned in another post that the law isn't aimed at a burka or other form of loose fitting attire, religious, cultural or otherwise. As a result, it wouldn't have any meaningful effect on public safety.

I don't think it's fair to say she lied regarding religious freedom. She would be able to wear a burka in her native country and should be allowed here. However, the fact that she wouldn't be allowed to drive in her native country (perhaps) doesn't mean she shouldn't be allowed to drive here - as long as she could see where the hell she was going.

Giving her a driver's license under those circumstances is nuts, much like allowing someone visually impaired to drive. Wear what you want but if your idea of cultural identity or haute couture is to wear a gunny sack over your head don't freakin' drive.

John

But, but, but its her right.

I didn't presume anything about you, Grumpy.

Do you believe that laws should be just and should not single out individuals or groups for special treatment?

John

I beleive ones religious freedoms should not impede upon my families safety.

Come on Jack. No network I have watched seems to be sympathetic toward muslinsbecause they are searched before boarding planes.

I completely agree. As the saying goes, your rights stop where mine begin.

Still, I can see absolutely no public safety issue in allowing Muslim women to wear a veil and head scarf. It will have no effect on anyone's ability to conceal anything.

John

I agree.

Do you want to be in charge of lifting up the robes to ensure they are women ? :eek: :D

Fifty-Fifty chance of it being worthwhile.:eek:

Regards,

D-Ray

Those women don't shave ANYTHING. You couldn't pay me to look.

Dave

What good's muff diving without a muff to dive into???

John

If it's good emuff for the sheik isn't it good emuff for you.

I'm sorry. I'm really sorry.

Hello, my name is D-Ray and I'm addicted to puns.

Two can play at that game!

You ought to be ashamed! Perhaps you should consider traveling in muffti so as not to be recognized.

John

You guys are killing me. Better then a car bomb though.. :)

I always believed the men were required to grow beards so that you could tell them apart.

We had an Iranian woman in our QA department for a while. Beautiful face, very nice figure, pleasant disposition. She came to a company picnic in shorts and a muscle shirt----hairy as a Sasquatch! You could knit a sweater with all that armpit hair! Hairy legs, arms........UGH!

Dave

Theres goes lunch.. Now wheres that puking smiley ?

Same applies to a lot of northern European women, BTW.

Yep.------speaking of France.

Dave

Yup! All in what your used to.

Although they do have a pretty low birth rate in Northern Europe. ;)

John

You need to ride the metro during rush hour there, I thought she was going to have me standing.:rolleyes:

WHat she could do with her booty had to be felt to be believed.

I have been there. Cannes, 1983. From afar we spied what we thought was a gorgeous girl, topless, sunning herself on the beach. What we discovered when we got close enough was a very shapely, topless----Yeti.

Sorry, Rob. But the whole "hairy" thing just doesn't get it with me. French girls would be absolutely beautiful if they weren't caught up in a hairiness contest with Chubakka. And trying to cover up BO with massive amounts of perfume doesn't work very well either.

Not tryin' to be mean, just reporting what I observed.

They do have an awesome train system, though. And cheap to ride too.

Dave

The trains or the girls?

Trains.

I was returning to my hotel in Paris one night so I am heading for the metro. As I started across the street a sweet young thing accosts me in thefirst lane. I told her "Thank you but I gave at the office". A second one accosts me in the other lane so I gave her the same answer. There are two gendarmes standing on the sidewalk with big grins on their faces. It may be true, the French don't care what you do as long as you pronounce it correctly. Or as Lady Astor once said "As long as they don't do it in the street and scare the horses".

As it turned out the metro had stopped running so I had to take a cab - talk about a white knuckle ride, their cab drivers are insane.

Cab drivers everywhere are insane. The worst one I ever ran into was in Korea.......I still feel lucky to be alive, when I think of that ride.

Dave

Worse cab ride I ever had was in Istanbul Turkey.
Just ridiculously reckless.

Another time (almost as bad) in NYC a cab driving got into a toad rage incident with another driver. The cab driver stopped the car, went to his truck and got a tire iron. The other driver simply pulled a gun from under his coat.
I got out and took the subway.