A second Cold War, anyone?
 

So, who here is watching the military build up in China and the upcoming Joint Exercises the Chinese and Russians plan to conduct?

I'm thinking another Cold War at least, maybe WW3. At any rate, it should definitely get everyones attention and make all the stupid shit we've been fighting over, pale in comparison.

Cliven Bundys cattle? Who cares? When Uncle Vlad shoves a nuke up your butt, you'll darn well know who our real enemies are.

I, for one, say bring it on.

Dave

I just said that and I'm wacko.

Yes Dave I see it I see a lot of things and we are in dire straits. So get your money for nothing and your chicks for free.

Yes, but you are a wacko.

You're feverishly trying to warn us of something we already know about. Thanks, but.......meh, we'll see how it all plays out. I don't really care anymore. That's why I like living in Hampton Roads. If the Commies start lobbing nukes, we're high on the list. Once I get vaporized none of it will matter much to me, anymore. I leave this miserable life and head into the great beyond...:)

And, if I don't get vaporized, federal spending at the shipyards and military bases turns this place into a boomtown.

Win-Win, as I see it.

Dave

You and I think a like on this one Dave. Oh my God:eek:

I'll jump in my Fairlane and drive right off California into the deep blue ocean. :D

I used to worry about things like this but it's a young mans game. If all hell breaks loos we can look at our lives as good times, today is good times so why wast it worrying.

Any who really thought the Cold War was ever over were just believing the propaganda. Countries take advantage of our openness, free exchanges of ideas and out and out greed all the time. Do any think the companies who move to China really care? They make big $$$ and are happy, until the dirty little secret get out! Then are shocked shocked that China stole their secrets!


Barney

The hope is that we can knuckle it out in the economic sphere.

But we shouldn't count on it.

Pete

The cold war is over in terms of ideology.

Nobody is pushing Marxist Leninist shit anymore that we have to be
afraid of the Domino Effect.

What has happened is that we chafed the Russians. We duped Gorbachev.
We did not keep our side of the agreement.

While Russia was undergoing her post soviet adjustment we tried to bring
all the former soviet satellites into NATO.

This new guy Putin saw it as a threat to encircle Russia to achieve first strike capability.

Both China and Russia sees us as wielding too much power outside our sphere of influence.

The Cold War is over but shifting and building alliances have never ceased.
It is as old as man's history.

As long as the US chooses to believe in other countries playing by our rules we are losing the battle. Companies and our nation citizens need to decide, do the security themselves or allow the government. Being complacent and thinking we were now friends was misplaced it now seems.

But as long as some in this country are able to make a profit transferring technology and jobs overseas. Or fail to impose strict sanctions when industrial espionage or intellectual property is stolen. We will continue to be confronting similar issues.


O BTW bet if one was to ask the citizens of China or Russia if the cold war ever ended, the answer would be NO!



Barney

We went to China because we wanted to outfox the Soviets and take advantage of Chinese cheap labor.
What we did not count on was that China was not the usual third world country. The Chinese are pretty smart. They made agreements which forced
western countries to build entire plants in China and were quick at coping and adopting new technologies.

BTW another country which pilfer a lot of our technology is Israel.

See also "Ukarine Heats Up", post #836.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/...y.html?hpid=z1

Russia and China sign 30 year deal worth $400b.

Russia has huge natural resources and China has a ravenous appetite for energy to feed her ever growing manufacturing base.

Furthermore it is time for China to get off coal.

<Cough, cough> - agreed. ;)

https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/i...2EgjOUfadvaj2w https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/i...3_eypSOW2412Eq

Meanwhile, the US is still largely energy dependent. Low economic growth rates have had a locally deflationary impact on fuel prices. If this economy even kids into gear, we'll be wondering where our energy sources to drive growth will come from. The sun and the wind just aren't gonna cut it

:confused: What the heck does that have to do with this thread topic?

When was the last time a thread stayed on topic? One of the reasons I haven't been posting much.

Can't say I blame you. :(

Bobby your the one that brought in the energy resources. Also what do you think war is fought over anyway, "Resources"

So everybody is on topic carry on.:D

Here's why. See post 135 for an example of this despicable trolls shit. http://www.politicalchat.org/showthr...t=7292&page=14

Off topic Bobby

Energy dependence & health of the economy absolutely impacts national security.

Pete

China is going to every corner of the planet staking claim and swinging deals for all resources they will need for growth.

Whilst listening to John Batchelor (He has excellent guests) last night I was
surprise about the growing Israeli Chinese relation.
Here is an update on that from Reuters.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/...0O84X720140523

I could see Isreal And China getting cozy,Boy would that be taken as a slap in the Americas Face,or is it just the Price of doing Buissness.that alone could cange a Lot.

Israel is already kissy-face with Russia in recognition of the fact that they make up 15% of the Israeli population. Netanyahu even stated last month that he has no interest in expressing an opinion on the Crimea or Ukraine in recognition of his relationship with Russia.

What were you expecting them to do? Just give in to the notion that God appointed America to be "Number 1" and leave it at that. like good little Commies?:confused:

Remember, they got the money to do all of this FROM US. Those are the jobs of millions of Americans, WE SENT THEM. Under the premise that punitive import taxes and tariffs are not in the spirit of free market Capitalism.......mostly at the behest of large corporations and American politicians insisting that the American consumer deserves lower prices.

We dropped this turd, now we must reap the whirlwind of it's stench.

Dave

Of course it does. See my last post^^^^.

Dave

This is why I'm caught in a paradox. I respect and admire the Jewish people. But, have had quite enough of Israels bullshit.

Dave